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[gkrieg13]

I was really just trying to think of all the possibilities.  People switching their votes from the main wagon without an explanation at this point seems scummy to me.  I don't have the experience to develop the thought completely so I was hoping someone could take it and explain it better.  Maybe this post just made it even more confusing.

I'll try this. 

Imagine TA is scum.  He thinks that Seprix and e are 1 town / 1 other scum team.  He isn't sure so he rereads the day and realizes that he may be lynching a mafia from the other team of mafia. 

Or does eliminating the other team of mafia make it easier for the one team?

Does that make any more sense?

PPE:2

Mafia lynching a separate Mafia team is good, because it gives them town cred, especially for as long as we don't know there is more than one team.  But what would be different from town!TA in your scenario?  He would also want to hit scum.

Well if lynching the other mafia team is good (which makes sense to me now), then my whole thought process behind this is wrong. 

[UmbrageOfSnow]

Regarding chairs, before we forget this.  I think if Seprix flips scum, chairs certainly needs looking into.  But he's not otherwise particularly scummy.  I think chairs is going to say that he wasn't paying attention to the vote count and thought XP was more of a wagon than Seprix or something.  And that might be true.  Seprix's recent reaction to pressure feels scummy to me.

Anyway, Seprix is the better lynch than chairs out of that weird interaction is my point.

e seems to be tunneling TA pretty hard, and pretty irrationally.

Is that standard behavior from town chairs, or is it weird?

[UmbrageOfSnow]

Fixed.

Is that standard behavior from town e, or is it weird?

[Witherweaver]

I think scum!e is less likely to tunnel than town!e.

[EFHW]

Could we also have two groups of scum?  That could be a reason to switch between a few different people as scum.  Maybe you think that one of them is on the other scum team but don't know which? 

PPE:1

The good thing about a scenario like that is everyone is legitimately trying to scumhunt.  But I also think it would make scum less jumpy, not more, because they would feel a stronger sense of commitment - one of the reasons scum tend to jump around a lot is that if there is one team, they know who is town so their "scumhunting" lacks conviction.

[ashersky]

Vote Count 1.8:

XP (1):  chairs
chairs (1):  EgorK
Seprix (6):  gkrieg13, Ghacob, hockey, silverspawn, Ichimaru Gin, UoS
gkrieg13 (2):  Mail-mi, Seprix
hockeysemlan (1):  Hydrad
2.7 (4):  faust, efhw, XP, TA
TwistedArcher (2):  2.7, WW

Not Voting (0):

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

Day 1 ends on July 9 at 1:00 a.m. forum time.

[Witherweaver]

Vote: Seprix

[Seprix]

Ghacob is on my wagon? I recall not liking his posts at all, and having a total scum read on him.

[Ichimaru Gin]

Whoa k. Caught up from the posts that were made while I was asleep/in class.
Probably have some more to say later. I still like my vote on Seprix though. I can see some of the points made again UoS.

Honestly, I think I'm having difficulty getting into the game because my activity can't be what it normally is. I'm used to formulating reads largely based off of what people think of me and interact directly with me--at least as a starting point. So a bunch of "Ichi is null"--which of course is expected given how busy I am lately--make it kinda hard for me to jump into things.

[Witherweaver]

Whoa k. Caught up from the posts that were made while I was asleep/in class.
Probably have some more to say later. I still like my vote on Seprix though. I can see some of the points made again UoS.

Honestly, I think I'm having difficulty getting into the game because my activity can't be what it normally is. I'm used to formulating reads largely based off of what people think of me and interact directly with me--at least as a starting point. So a bunch of "Ichi is null"--which of course is expected given how busy I am lately--make it kinda hard for me to jump into things.

Ichi is scum!

[Ichimaru Gin]

vote: WW OMGUS!

[Witherweaver]

Now you're in the game.  Welcome.

[Ichimaru Gin]

Oh wait. Forgot I'm reformed now.

unvote.

PPE: 

[Witherweaver]

Ghacob is on my wagon? I recall not liking his posts at all, and having a total scum read on him.

So why is Ghacob scummy?

[Ichimaru Gin]

Yeah. I will certainly be more active when I'm done with summer semester (the 23rd!). Also with how huuuuuuuuuuge this setup is, I don't think I could even name every player whose in it right now.

[chairs]

for some reason I thought XP was the big wagon, not Seprix, lol.

After the latest interactions, though, I think e or TA might be the scum.

[Seprix]

Ghacob is on my wagon? I recall not liking his posts at all, and having a total scum read on him.

So why is Ghacob scummy?

GHACOB

A few RVS votes on e and UoS, and then he plays for real.

The XP breadcrumb thing is practically useless for anyone now (which I guess is sorta the point of posting it), but I am reminded of BM20 which, while bastard, also started with scum!XP making a similarly ominous comment that was his partner
...wow I spent time looking for something that apparently doesn't exist. Whoops.
slight scum points from me regardless

and also slight scum points to Seprix and TA for... "taking this too seriously" isn't quite the right phrase but...
TA, responding with

Hi. Disagree with fausts' PoE but whatever, I see him diverting from it if he has a scum read so it's not worth arguing over.

to an RVS "Process of elimination"?

Seprix, you're making far too big a deal out of the "slip" or whatever it is. I had to take a second to figure out what exactly my alignment was too, I'm sorry I didn't peruse the setup as soon as I received my PM

vote: Seprix

PPE: 3

And now to try to find some people I think are town

But that XP bread crumbing was pretty bad… So he votes me. He’s early on a wagon, perfect for scum, since no suspicion goes on Ghacob.

Then Ghacob does a read:

Trouble deciding who I think is town has led to revers PoE!
1. mail-mi
2. Ichimaru Gin
3. Witherweaver
4. EgorK
5. 2.7
6. silverspawn
7. Hydrad
8. Faust
9. Chairs
10. Ghacob
11. hockeysemian
12. Seprix
13. TwistedArcher
14. XerxesPraelor
15. gkrieg13
16. EFHW
17. UmbrageOfSnow

And there we go, those are the people I think are towny right now
...not too many, I'll try to work on that

PPE: 2

Seems a bit lazy, but I am lazy too, so it’s not evidence in itself.

I'm willing to give gkrieg a chance seeing as it's his first day, not just for policy, but because it'd be a shame to lynch confused!town, and we can always lynch new!scum tomorrow.

Ghacob seems quite intent to give scummy play an easy pass, just because he is new, and tries to explain it away as 'confused town', which makes me wonder if Ghacob knows exactly who is and isn't scum.

In reflection, there's no clear town player here in this first day. Usually there is one, but this game, everyone is scummy. I have no town reads right now. Only null or scum reads.

[mail-mi]

Back for a short bit before I go for the rest of the week.

I like a vote: 2.7 or a vote: TA right now. Don't like UoS. Geekrig (since no one is spelling your name right ) seems more newbie town PR to me now than scum. Seprix...eh, he seems like me, in the "always scummy" category, and so seems just like normal.

[gkrieg13]

This seems to have slowed down right when it needs to be speeding up.

[gkrieg13]

Geekrig (since no one is spelling your name right )

This has actually been a lifelong thing for me. 

[EFHW]

Regarding chairs, before we forget this.  I think if Seprix flips scum, chairs certainly needs looking into.  But he's not otherwise particularly scummy.  I think chairs is going to say that he wasn't paying attention to the vote count and thought XP was more of a wagon than Seprix or something.  And that might be true.  Seprix's recent reaction to pressure feels scummy to me.

Anyway, Seprix is the better lynch than chairs out of that weird interaction is my point.

e seems to be tunneling TA pretty hard, and pretty irrationally.

Is that standard behavior from town chairs, or is it weird?

how is e tunneling TA? Looks like OMGUS to me.  Your explanation of chairs' post, which he has now echoed, would have to mean that he voted without reading or looking at the vote count.

[EFHW]

for some reason I thought XP was the big wagon, not Seprix, lol.

After the latest interactions, though, I think e or TA might be the scum.

"the" scum?

[Seprix]

for some reason I thought XP was the big wagon, not Seprix, lol.

After the latest interactions, though, I think e or TA might be the scum.

"the" scum?

Careful, he might sit on you.

[Witherweaver]

Ghacob is on my wagon? I recall not liking his posts at all, and having a total scum read on him.

So why is Ghacob scummy?

GHACOB

A few RVS votes on e and UoS, and then he plays for real.

The XP breadcrumb thing is practically useless for anyone now (which I guess is sorta the point of posting it), but I am reminded of BM20 which, while bastard, also started with scum!XP making a similarly ominous comment that was his partner
...wow I spent time looking for something that apparently doesn't exist. Whoops.
slight scum points from me regardless

and also slight scum points to Seprix and TA for... "taking this too seriously" isn't quite the right phrase but...
TA, responding with

Hi. Disagree with fausts' PoE but whatever, I see him diverting from it if he has a scum read so it's not worth arguing over.

to an RVS "Process of elimination"?

Seprix, you're making far too big a deal out of the "slip" or whatever it is. I had to take a second to figure out what exactly my alignment was too, I'm sorry I didn't peruse the setup as soon as I received my PM

vote: Seprix

PPE: 3

And now to try to find some people I think are town

But that XP bread crumbing was pretty bad… So he votes me. He’s early on a wagon, perfect for scum, since no suspicion goes on Ghacob.

Then Ghacob does a read:

Trouble deciding who I think is town has led to revers PoE!
1. mail-mi
2. Ichimaru Gin
3. Witherweaver
4. EgorK
5. 2.7
6. silverspawn
7. Hydrad
8. Faust
9. Chairs
10. Ghacob
11. hockeysemian
12. Seprix
13. TwistedArcher
14. XerxesPraelor
15. gkrieg13
16. EFHW
17. UmbrageOfSnow

And there we go, those are the people I think are towny right now
...not too many, I'll try to work on that

PPE: 2

Seems a bit lazy, but I am lazy too, so it’s not evidence in itself.

I'm willing to give gkrieg a chance seeing as it's his first day, not just for policy, but because it'd be a shame to lynch confused!town, and we can always lynch new!scum tomorrow.

Ghacob seems quite intent to give scummy play an easy pass, just because he is new, and tries to explain it away as 'confused town', which makes me wonder if Ghacob knows exactly who is and isn't scum.

In reflection, there's no clear town player here in this first day. Usually there is one, but this game, everyone is scummy. I have no town reads right now. Only null or scum reads.

This doesn't seem very scummy.  Just seems like.. things.  I don't think Ghacob was assuming gkrieg was town there, either.

[XerxesPraelor]

No longer happy with a Seprix lynch. The case on e is remarkably good for D1, so I don't think I'll change (the most-votes lynch is nice for this)