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Re: Cards you hate!
« Reply #175 on: June 08, 2015, 04:32:29 pm »
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I'm of the "This is a sentence". camp).

That makes no sense. The string "This is a sentence" is not a sentence - it needs a period to be complete. If you're trying to do logical punctuation, you should have written "I'm of the "This is a sentence." camp.".
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« Reply #176 on: June 09, 2015, 04:31:40 pm »
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That's the one with the douchebag creator who ripped off a Dominion fan's artwork, right?

Yes.

For those who aren't aware:

Fan-made Dominion chip set (first):


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Woah, until now I thought that people who were complaining that Puzzle Strike was a ripoff of the fan-made Dominion set were just talking about the concept of using round chips instead of cards. I didn't know until just now that the actual design/art of the chips was the same.
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« Reply #177 on: July 11, 2015, 05:00:14 pm »
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Chancellor isn't weak.  Insta-shuffle is a thumbs up in my book.  It's just that it's weak relative to other $3 terminals.
I wouldn't even say that. I think it's fairly average compared to most $3 terminals (there really aren't many). The problem is it doesn't measure up to any other terminals - it's not the cost that's the issue, it's the fact it has to compete with all possible terminals. That's why most $2 are cantrip-like.

Upgrade is probably mine. I really don't like it, I honestly don't feel like it's good, but I keep losing to it so I'm obviously wrong. :)

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I had no idea Puzzle Strike was inspired by a fan-made Dominion thing! I do enjoy that game, I have to admit.
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Re: Cards you hate!
« Reply #178 on: July 11, 2015, 11:32:31 pm »
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"inspired"
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« Reply #179 on: July 12, 2015, 12:55:55 am »
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That's the one with the douchebag creator who ripped off a Dominion fan's artwork, right?

Yes.

For those who aren't aware:

Fan-made Dominion chip set (first):


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Woah, until now I thought that people who were complaining that Puzzle Strike was a ripoff of the fan-made Dominion set were just talking about the concept of using round chips instead of cards. I didn't know until just now that the actual design/art of the chips was the same.

Wait, how are you supposed to react to Spy or the likes using chips?
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Re: Cards you hate!
« Reply #180 on: July 12, 2015, 07:47:52 am »
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Re: Cards you hate!
« Reply #181 on: July 12, 2015, 11:08:32 am »
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I'm of the "This is a sentence". camp).

That makes no sense. The string "This is a sentence" is not a sentence - it needs a period to be complete. If you're trying to do logical punctuation, you should have written "I'm of the "This is a sentence." camp.".
Oh geez, uh, hrmmm...

That stil looks weird , because inserting "I'm of the "This is a sentence." camp." as a quote makes it so that the explanation inside the quotations is no longer interpreted as my explanation. Stylistically, I should have done "I'm of the <"This is a sentence".> camp.". That's if I understand your post correctly. If you actually wanted me to write:

    ...I'm of the "This is a sentence." camp.

Then that's just not an example of logical punctuation anymore.
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« Reply #182 on: July 12, 2015, 11:34:48 am »
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oh man i see some Legendary Game Designer David Sirlin talk

that guy truly is a freaking legend in the fighting-game scene, for some right reasons and many wrong ones.  i could write a novel about  this, but i'll just say that he tried to improve one of the longest-lasting games in that genre and failed so miserably that everyone went back to the original after a year or two.  he's also the mastermind behind Chess 2~

btw he wrote a hilariously awful article bashing dominion to hype up his game, including such gems as "starting with junk cards is bad design (because Reasons)".  in fairness it was written before quite a few expansions came out, but i think cards like apothecary and baron were already around and he just ignored their existence when calling copper & estates completely useless.  it appears to be gone now though...

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« Reply #183 on: July 12, 2015, 12:38:41 pm »
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oh man i see some Legendary Game Designer David Sirlin talk

that guy truly is a freaking legend in the fighting-game scene, for some right reasons and many wrong ones.  i could write a novel about  this, but i'll just say that he tried to improve one of the longest-lasting games in that genre and failed so miserably that everyone went back to the original after a year or two.  he's also the mastermind behind Chess 2~

btw he wrote a hilariously awful article bashing dominion to hype up his game, including such gems as "starting with junk cards is bad design (because Reasons)".  in fairness it was written before quite a few expansions came out, but i think cards like apothecary and baron were already around and he just ignored their existence when calling copper & estates completely useless.  it appears to be gone now though...

If I were him, and people were tearing me a third asshole for bashing Dominion, I'd try to hide it too.
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Re: Cards you hate!
« Reply #184 on: July 12, 2015, 03:53:28 pm »
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His idea of a "scrub" who gets pissy when he loses to people who are, you know, playing the game as intended while screaming bloody murder about "honor" or whatever makes total sense.

His scavenging of game ideas without any attribution is despicable.
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Re: Cards you hate!
« Reply #185 on: July 12, 2015, 03:57:08 pm »
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oh man i see some Legendary Game Designer David Sirlin talk

that guy truly is a freaking legend in the fighting-game scene, for some right reasons and many wrong ones.  i could write a novel about  this, but i'll just say that he tried to improve one of the longest-lasting games in that genre and failed so miserably that everyone went back to the original after a year or two.  he's also the mastermind behind Chess 2~

btw he wrote a hilariously awful article bashing dominion to hype up his game, including such gems as "starting with junk cards is bad design (because Reasons)".  in fairness it was written before quite a few expansions came out, but i think cards like apothecary and baron were already around and he just ignored their existence when calling copper & estates completely useless.  it appears to be gone now though...

If I were him, and people were tearing me a third asshole for bashing Dominion, I'd try to hide it too.

He probably learned from the time he got the second one.
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Re: Cards you hate!
« Reply #186 on: July 12, 2015, 05:21:11 pm »
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oh man i see some Legendary Game Designer David Sirlin talk

that guy truly is a freaking legend in the fighting-game scene, for some right reasons and many wrong ones.  i could write a novel about  this, but i'll just say that he tried to improve one of the longest-lasting games in that genre and failed so miserably that everyone went back to the original after a year or two.  he's also the mastermind behind Chess 2~

btw he wrote a hilariously awful article bashing dominion to hype up his game, including such gems as "starting with junk cards is bad design (because Reasons)".  in fairness it was written before quite a few expansions came out, but i think cards like apothecary and baron were already around and he just ignored their existence when calling copper & estates completely useless.  it appears to be gone now though...

If I were him, and people were tearing me a third asshole for bashing Dominion, I'd try to hide it too.

He probably learned from the time he got the second one.

Nope. I hear he has 8 now.
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« Reply #187 on: July 12, 2015, 11:04:31 pm »
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Nope. I hear he has 8 now.

you don't realize how true that statement is

i have a story i really really want to post right here, but i've only heard it secondhand and don't wanna risk publicly posting BS.  have gotten burned on that a number of times...

EDIT: ok, to actually post something on-topic, here's a bit of food for thought

in some random video (forget if it was one of his own or another player's), wanderingwinder opines that swindler isn't as swingy as a number of other cards and gets complaints just because its effects feel worse.  he goes on to say that urchin is worse because double-urchin opening gives you a near-50% chance of getting a mercenary on the second shuffle, which means it has the highest chance of one player getting it and the other getting screwed.  wonder how yall feel about that logic!

also, i wonder how the odds on familiar compare.  that one feels right up there with merc to me.
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« Reply #188 on: July 13, 2015, 09:04:57 am »
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oh man i see some Legendary Game Designer David Sirlin talk

that guy truly is a freaking legend in the fighting-game scene, for some right reasons and many wrong ones.  i could write a novel about  this, but i'll just say that he tried to improve one of the longest-lasting games in that genre and failed so miserably that everyone went back to the original after a year or two.  he's also the mastermind behind Chess 2~

btw he wrote a hilariously awful article bashing dominion to hype up his game, including such gems as "starting with junk cards is bad design (because Reasons)".  in fairness it was written before quite a few expansions came out, but i think cards like apothecary and baron were already around and he just ignored their existence when calling copper & estates completely useless.  it appears to be gone now though...

If I were him, and people were tearing me a third asshole for bashing Dominion, I'd try to hide it too.

He probably learned from the time he got the second one.

Nope. I hear he has 8 now.

If he has 8, does that mean the 8th one has a name that starts with P?
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« Reply #189 on: July 13, 2015, 01:08:19 pm »
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oh man i see some Legendary Game Designer David Sirlin talk

that guy truly is a freaking legend in the fighting-game scene, for some right reasons and many wrong ones.  i could write a novel about  this, but i'll just say that he tried to improve one of the longest-lasting games in that genre and failed so miserably that everyone went back to the original after a year or two.  he's also the mastermind behind Chess 2~

btw he wrote a hilariously awful article bashing dominion to hype up his game, including such gems as "starting with junk cards is bad design (because Reasons)".  in fairness it was written before quite a few expansions came out, but i think cards like apothecary and baron were already around and he just ignored their existence when calling copper & estates completely useless.  it appears to be gone now though...

If I were him, and people were tearing me a third asshole for bashing Dominion, I'd try to hide it too.

He probably learned from the time he got the second one.

Nope. I hear he has 8 now.

If he has 8, does that mean the 8th one has a name that starts with P?

Yes but only because the surgery to make the 8th hole cost exactly $8.
For the name I suggest Poohole.
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« Reply #190 on: July 14, 2015, 02:42:40 pm »
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I just realized David Sirlin wrote that book 'Playing To Win', which I actually liked when I was much younger. I guess I'd better reread it, because Sirlin is NEVER right.
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« Reply #191 on: July 14, 2015, 02:56:26 pm »
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I just realized David Sirlin wrote that book 'Playing To Win', which I actually liked when I was much younger. I guess I'd better reread it, because Sirlin is NEVER right.

There's actually nothing wrong with Playing To Win.
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« Reply #192 on: July 14, 2015, 02:59:29 pm »
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I just realized David Sirlin wrote that book 'Playing To Win', which I actually liked when I was much younger. I guess I'd better reread it, because Sirlin is NEVER right.

There's actually nothing wrong with Playing To Win.

Other than the fact that it creates a pejorative label ("scrub") that you can easily apply to people in order to marginalize them and their opinions.

I haven't read the book; just going by his article of the same name.
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« Reply #193 on: July 14, 2015, 03:23:50 pm »
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Man, Dominion is a weird favorite game for some of you folks who hate swingy-ness so much.

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« Reply #194 on: July 14, 2015, 08:01:15 pm »
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Man, Dominion is a weird favorite game for some of you folks who hate swingy-ness so much.

What happened to YMYOSL?

Nothing happened, it was just never entirely true.  Anyway swingy-ness isn't a yes-or-no measure, it's a continuum.  That's why some people play roulette, some play Dominion with more swingy cards, some with less swingy cards, and some of us play Go.  (Not an exhaustive list of games people play.)
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« Reply #195 on: July 14, 2015, 08:13:27 pm »
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I don't know if you guys even want this discussion to revolve around the cards you hate anymore but I just need an outlet for my frustration: I. Hate. Warrior.

I really hate it.

What was Donald thinking?
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« Reply #196 on: July 14, 2015, 08:17:07 pm »
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I don't know if you guys even want this discussion to revolve around the cards you hate anymore but I just need an outlet for my frustration: I. Hate. Warrior.

I really hate it.

What was Donald thinking?

I think any card that trashes a card off the top of your deck in general is oppressive. Knights, Saboteur, Swindler, Warrior.. All of them suck.
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« Reply #197 on: July 15, 2015, 09:16:26 am »
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Maybe I should make this in the form of the unpopular opinion potion meme, but trashing attacks are fine and the ones that Donald has published are all very reasonable.
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« Reply #198 on: July 15, 2015, 09:21:32 am »
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I don't know if you guys even want this discussion to revolve around the cards you hate anymore but I just need an outlet for my frustration: I. Hate. Warrior.

I really hate it.

What was Donald thinking?

I think any card that trashes a card off the top of your deck in general is oppressive. Knights, Saboteur, Swindler, Warrior.. All of them suck.

Dude, have you not played with Giant yet?
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« Reply #199 on: July 15, 2015, 09:28:45 am »
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Maybe I should make this in the form of the unpopular opinion potion meme, but trashing attacks are fine and the ones that Donald has published are all very reasonable.

It's the combination of Warrior and Page that's so terrible. I don't mind trashing attack that much. I love Swindler; it doesn't reduce your deck size. But it's so easy to trash 2-4 cards of your opponents' decks wit Warrior each turn, including their Warriors and Treasure Hunters to make sure they never get a Champion. And in a game I played recently, most decent cards cost $3 and $4 and Warrior was the strongest card available. My whole economy got trashed and it just sucked. Only Saboteur might be able to do such a thing but it's so much harder and slower and often not worth it. With Warrior it's a no-brainer.
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