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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #1075 on: June 26, 2015, 12:20:28 am »

The results are all against him

What results? There's one result against me which is inconsistent with my confirmed ability, and one result against that one result which is consistent with said ability. There are no other results.
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #1076 on: June 26, 2015, 12:42:09 am »

The results are all against him

What results? There's one result against me which is inconsistent with my confirmed ability, and one result against that one result which is consistent with said ability. There are no other results.
I don't know flavor, but just because you're Lourne doesn't mean you're town. And Lourne could be a fake claim. And the Oracle counts at least a little bit for something.
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #1077 on: June 26, 2015, 12:54:25 am »

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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #1078 on: June 26, 2015, 01:10:10 am »

The results are all against him

What results? There's one result against me which is inconsistent with my confirmed ability, and one result against that one result which is consistent with said ability. There are no other results.
I don't know flavor, but just because you're Lourne doesn't mean you're town. And Lourne could be a fake claim. And the Oracle counts at least a little bit for something.

I don't know flavor either, but it does pretty obviously mean that I'm not scum. And it can't be a fake claim because AFAIK, no other character could possibly have my ability. And the oracle doesn't count because you asked the wrong question.
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #1079 on: June 26, 2015, 01:37:18 am »

I mean, maybe he's a survivor. That could be the case. But survivor isn't anti town enough to spend to lynches on him.

Maybe he is a survivor without lynchproof - that's possible. Not likely enough for me.

Remember when we said that about the last survivor.  What, M61.  faust.  yeah.  Definitely don't need to lynch survivors

This.  Survivors are always bad for town.  Town always convinces themselves (with the Survivor's help, and probably scum's help) that "no, this time it'll work out fine" and then it doesn't.  Ever.
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #1080 on: June 26, 2015, 01:38:01 am »

I mean, maybe he's a survivor. That could be the case. But survivor isn't anti town enough to spend to lynches on him.

Maybe he is a survivor without lynchproof - that's possible. Not likely enough for me.

Remember when we said that about the last survivor.  What, M61.  faust.  yeah.  Definitely don't need to lynch survivors

Faust in M61 wasn't lynchproof.

Might as well just full claim survivor at this point.  Dancing around it like this isn't fooling anyone.
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #1081 on: June 26, 2015, 01:41:06 am »

Vote Count 2.9

Awaclus (4): ashersky, mail-mi, Witherweaver, chairs
EgorK (4): hockeysemlan, Delirious Deleuze, Lekkit, Awaclus
A Drowned Kernel (1): EgorK

Not Voting (4): 2.71828....., Ichimaru Gin, silverspawn, A Drowned Kernel

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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #1082 on: June 26, 2015, 02:21:54 am »

Awaclus, huh.

Isn't it too easy? I can't get why scum!awaclus would play like this, and the info we got from this day don't lead me to a conclusion that he is the best lynch either. If he's telling the truth it would be re-e-eally bad to try to lynch him too. I don't like it, frankly, and I found it a bit odd that some of you can be so confident this is the right choice.

Then again, I guess it would somewhat be worth a shot, his play is not very understandable as town either. Go ahead if you must, but I'll stay on Egor for this one.. 

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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #1083 on: June 26, 2015, 02:35:20 am »

This.  Survivors are always bad for town.  Town always convinces themselves (with the Survivor's help, and probably scum's help) that "no, this time it'll work out fine" and then it doesn't.  Ever.

Wasting two lynches on a townie is also bad for town. I'm not sure how you've managed to convince yourself that this time that'll work out fine.
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #1084 on: June 26, 2015, 03:43:49 am »

Awaclus, the people invited to your neighbourhood, were they informed that they wouldn't be able to target each other when they got the invite?
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #1085 on: June 26, 2015, 04:11:39 am »

How did everyone know they couldn't be targeted in the neighborhood last night?

Faust told us.

Found this. But it still doesn't really answer the question.
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #1086 on: June 26, 2015, 04:35:50 am »

ugh. I deeply regret not hammering Egork as I could.

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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #1087 on: June 26, 2015, 04:44:33 am »

Silverspawn is super scummy now.

I'd lynch him, I guess.

But Awaclus is better.
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #1088 on: June 26, 2015, 05:36:22 am »

I don't agree with "super scummy".

I think our best lynch option for today is EgorK.

I also missed this las time.

I still think ADK is SK with big probability, but Hydrad is good candidate to be scum. On the other hand he always feel scummy

SK hunting day 1 with no reason to believe there is a SK. The best reason I can think of here is if EgorK is in a scum faction of 3. Because 3+2 or 3+3 scum seems unlikely. As well as only 3. This also leads me to think that if Egor flips mafia (which I think he will) we're most likely dealing with a 3 man scum team, possibly a SK (in that case I believe it's ADK), and also possibly a survivor (Awaclus?).
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #1089 on: June 26, 2015, 09:26:59 am »

Silverspawn is super scummy now.

I'd lynch him, I guess.

But Awaclus is better.

eh, I'm pretty willing to buss in the name of town cred as scum.

if this day ends with awaclus lynched - and I'll be trying to prevent that with all my might - then you'll see I was right

but I'd rather win the game then an argument.

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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #1090 on: June 26, 2015, 09:27:29 am »

mh, I think that should be a than with an a not an e

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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #1091 on: June 26, 2015, 09:30:33 am »


note that mail-mi claimed to know that we have 4 non-town players this game. That likely means scum scum scum survivor. could also be scum scum scum SK but that seems unlikely given the no-kill (though not impossible, I made the mistake of thinking SK is impossible based on nights with 0 and 1 death before) or scumscum - scumscum. I'm personally not a fan of two scum factions in general, but maybe faust is.

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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #1092 on: June 26, 2015, 09:37:07 am »

mail-mi said "at least" 4.
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #1093 on: June 26, 2015, 09:37:14 am »

I mean, maybe he's a survivor. That could be the case. But survivor isn't anti town enough to spend to lynches on him.

Maybe he is a survivor without lynchproof - that's possible. Not likely enough for me.

Remember when we said that about the last survivor.  What, M61.  faust.  yeah.  Definitely don't need to lynch survivors

Faust in M61 wasn't lynchproof.

Vote: Awaclus

Why? With my flavor claim, there's basically no way I can be mafia or SK, and even if I was a survivor, it'd still be a bad idea for town to lynch me.

Oh right, because you're not town so spending a day getting nobody lynched is actually pretty good for you.

"Faust in M61 wasn't lynchproof.". He also wasn't town.
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #1094 on: June 26, 2015, 09:40:42 am »

You mean this one?

Oh for what it's worth, on Night 0 I asked about the number of scum, and learned that there are at least 4 people in game not aligned with town.

The one that was posted LOOOOOONG after EgorK was SK-hunting. Which also mentions AT LEAST 4 people not aligned with town.
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #1095 on: June 26, 2015, 09:57:40 am »

well, looks like my point was both false and irrelevant for the Lekkit thing, so nvm

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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #1096 on: June 26, 2015, 10:03:42 am »

Silverspawn is super scummy now.

I'd lynch him, I guess.

But Awaclus is better.

eh, I'm pretty willing to buss in the name of town cred as scum.

if this day ends with awaclus lynched - and I'll be trying to prevent that with all my might - then you'll see I was right

but I'd rather win the game then an argument.

Question- are you implying that you believe that Awaclus is town, but that he's lying about having lynchproof?
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #1097 on: June 26, 2015, 10:09:15 am »

That is a very interesting question.
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #1098 on: June 26, 2015, 10:09:48 am »

Silverspawn is super scummy now.

I'd lynch him, I guess.

But Awaclus is better.

eh, I'm pretty willing to buss in the name of town cred as scum.

if this day ends with awaclus lynched - and I'll be trying to prevent that with all my might - then you'll see I was right

but I'd rather win the game then an argument.

Question- are you implying that you believe that Awaclus is town, but that he's lying about having lynchproof?

No, not quite. Okay, here is what I think

- He is not scum
- He may or may not have lynchproof
- He probably wouldn't lie as town

so, if he is town, he probably is lynchproof. If he is a survivor... he might not. Claiming lynchproof as a survivor makes a ton of sense. Giving me the item for town cred could also make sense if he's a survivor - not if he's scum.

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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #1099 on: June 26, 2015, 10:11:02 am »

Although Awaclus has lied as town before, so I guess he could also be town and not have lynchproof

in any case, the only scenario where I think lynching him is good is survivor!notLynchproof!Awaclus. which is possible, but not something I'm willing to bet on.
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