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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #1025 on: June 24, 2015, 04:59:08 pm »

That said I would generally prefer an Egork lynch, or possibly somebody that hasn't gotten any attention at all (but I'm not sure anybody qualifies on that front).

SS - can you do that vote count history thingy and see if there's anybody who's been surprisingly light?

I think Egor is the only one who has voted for Lekkit
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #1026 on: June 24, 2015, 05:03:48 pm »

SS - can you do that vote count history thingy and see if there's anybody who's been surprisingly light?

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#51: hockeysemlan votes Lekkit (L-6)
#54: Witherweaver votes silverspawn (L-6)
#57: mail-mi votes hockeysemlan (L-6)
#62: ashersky votes Delirious Deleuze (L-6)
#65: Awaclus votes Ichimaru Gin (L-6)
#66: mail-mi votes ashersky (L-6)
#69: Hydrad votes mail-mi (L-6)
#84: Witherweaver votes silverspawn (L-6)
#94: e votes Delirious Deleuze (L-5)
#102: hockeysemlan votes mail-mi (L-5)
#106: hockeysemlan unvotes
#126: Delirious Deleuze votes hockeysemlan (L-6)
#145: ashersky unvotes
#218: chairs votes Delirious Deleuze (L-5)
#222: Ichimaru Gin votes Delirious Deleuze (L-4)
#244: hockeysemlan votes Ghacob (L-6)
#266: Ichimaru Gin votes Egork (L-6)
#301: ashersky votes hockeysemlan (L-5)
#316: mail-mi unvotes
#326: e unvotes
#329: Delirious Deleuze unvotes
#370: Delirious Deleuze votes Awaclus (L-6)
#373: hockeysemlan votes Awaclus (L-5)
#398: Lekkit votes Awaclus (L-4)
#417: Egork votes A Drowned Kernel (L-6)
#422: chairs votes ashersky (L-6)
#431: hockeysemlan votes ashersky (L-5)
#432: mail-mi votes Awaclus (L-4)
#446: Delirious Deleuze votes mail-mi (L-5)
#455: e votes A Drowned Kernel (L-5)
#457: Hydrad votes Egork (L-5)
#459: silverspawn votes Egork (L-4)
#490: ashersky votes Witherweaver (L-6)
#491: hockeysemlan votes mail-mi (L-5)
#494: Awaclus votes Witherweaver (L-5)
#498: Witherweaver votes Hydrad (L-6)
#500: mail-mi votes Egork (L-3)
#517: chairs votes Egork (L-2)
#529: Hydrad votes Witherweaver (L-4)
#553: A Drowned Kernel votes Hydrad (L-5)
#554: e votes Hydrad (L-4)
#556: Egork votes Hydrad (L-3)
#573: Lekkit votes Hydrad (L-2)
#578: Awaclus votes Hydrad (L-1)
#581: e votes Egork (L-2)
#595: Delirious Deleuze votes Hydrad (L-1)
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#619: Egork votes Awaclus (L-6)
#656: mail-mi votes Awaclus (L-5)
#657: Lekkit votes Awaclus (L-4)
#661: chairs votes Awaclus (L-3)
#662: chairs unvotes
#694: hockeysemlan votes Awaclus (L-3)
#699: Delirious Deleuze unvotes
#748: hockeysemlan votes Lekkit (L-6)
#751: hockeysemlan votes Lekkit (L-6)
#756: Awaclus votes Witherweaver (L-6)
#795: chairs votes Ichimaru Gin (L-6)
#843: hockeysemlan votes Egork (L-6)
#845: chairs votes Egork (L-5)
#847: ashersky votes hockeysemlan (L-6)
#850: ashersky unvotes
#876: Delirious Deleuze votes Lekkit (L-6)
#880: Egork votes A Drowned Kernel (L-6)
#881: mail-mi unvotes
#892: Witherweaver votes A Drowned Kernel (L-5)
#894: Awaclus votes A Drowned Kernel (L-4)
#900: Awaclus votes Witherweaver (L-6)
#925: Witherweaver unvotes
#943: ashersky votes Awaclus (L-5)
#948: mail-mi votes Awaclus (L-4)
#951: Delirious Deleuze votes mail-mi (L-6)
#985: Delirious Deleuze votes Egork (L-4)
#988: Lekkit votes Egork (L-3)
#1011: Witherweaver votes Egork (L-2)
#1014: Awaclus votes Egork (L-1)

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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #1027 on: June 25, 2015, 12:01:06 am »

I am back from V/LA.  Don't have time to reread everything tonight.  Will definitely have input tomorrow. 
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #1028 on: June 25, 2015, 03:53:35 am »

Vote Count 2.8

Awaclus (2): ashersky, mail-mi
EgorK (6): hockeysemlan, chairs, Delirious Deleuze, Lekkit, Witherweaver, Awaclus
A Drowned Kernel (1): EgorK

Not Voting (4): 2.71828....., Ichimaru Gin, silverspawn, A Drowned Kernel

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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #1029 on: June 25, 2015, 08:43:15 am »

Still think EgorK is the wrong choice here.
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #1030 on: June 25, 2015, 09:12:12 am »

Because he claimed a character that's in the setup?
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #1031 on: June 25, 2015, 09:31:57 am »

Because he claimed a character that's in the setup?

You mean you didn't?
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #1032 on: June 25, 2015, 09:32:15 am »

Still think EgorK is the wrong choice here.

Who is the right choice?  Awaclus?
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #1033 on: June 25, 2015, 09:38:43 am »

I know Tara is in the game.  I don't know if she's town or not.

I'd prefer not to lynch her.

We can pretty easily confirm either role via results.  Or through the lynch of Awa, which I still prefer.
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #1034 on: June 25, 2015, 09:40:16 am »

Oh, I missed that.  But, I would bet money that Spike is in the game just from flavor.
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #1035 on: June 25, 2015, 09:42:07 am »

Also, is it actually true that lynching Awaclus would confirm anything?  And if he is one-shot lynchproof as he claims, we'd have to do it twice.
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #1036 on: June 25, 2015, 10:04:42 am »

I'd actively fight against an Awaclus lynch. He is town.

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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #1037 on: June 25, 2015, 10:06:52 am »

So what does lynching Egor give?

If Egor is town and understanding his role correctly, then his result on ADK should definitely be true and ADK is scum.  Awaclus if confirmed as a demon, but that doesn't say anything towards his alignment.  Lekkit is either lying or some kind of redirection happened.

If Egor is scum, well I don't think that actually confirms anything. 

If we lynch Lekkit, well, I don't think we get info either way.  We would know he was telling the truth about his Awaclus result, but he still could have gotten redirected. 

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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #1038 on: June 25, 2015, 10:07:49 am »

If we lynch ADK and he's scum, then Egor looks good.  If ADK is town, then Egor has to be lying based on how he said his power works.

I actually think ADK may be better in terms of conclusive info.
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #1039 on: June 25, 2015, 12:15:51 pm »

That... makes sense.

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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #1040 on: June 25, 2015, 12:24:07 pm »

vote: ADK

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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #1041 on: June 25, 2015, 12:31:00 pm »

it does make sense. mh.

not sure how comfortable I am with you single handedly preventing the lynch though...

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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #1042 on: June 25, 2015, 02:13:40 pm »

If we lynch ADK and he's scum, then Egor looks good.  If ADK is town, then Egor has to be lying based on how he said his power works.

I actually think ADK may be better in terms of conclusive info.

But your posts are basically saying that both Egor and ADK-lynch is giving us results on the other. Why change? Egors claim is scummier to me and besides I don't like the idea of him being saved another time.

But oh well, I understand your reasoning. ADK isn't the towniest player in my book anyway..
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #1043 on: June 25, 2015, 02:28:15 pm »

My thought was that scum!ADK => town!Egor (probably), but scum!Egor => ...

actually, I don't remember my reasoning here.  Okay, I think I was thinking that if Egor were scum, we wouldn't be able to conclude whether what he was saying was a lie or not.  But if he were scum he probably wouldn't be claiming his partners were lying, so that would make ADK and Awaclus more likely town.  So maybe the info is about as good.
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #1044 on: June 25, 2015, 02:29:35 pm »

Actually the Egor lynch may be more informative because the ties with Lekkit, Awaclus, and ADK.  The ADK lynch mainly has implications only for Egor.
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #1045 on: June 25, 2015, 02:37:11 pm »

I think ADK has been scummy today, though.  Egor has been.. confusing.  Like Ash pointed out, scum claims are usually more polished.
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #1046 on: June 25, 2015, 02:41:10 pm »

I'm so, so far behind here. I'm still wondering why scum!EgorK would lie about his power; it's more plausible to me that his result was tampered with somehow. An Awaclus or Lekkit lynch feels better to me than lynching Egor.

I think ADK has been scummy today, though.  Egor has been.. confusing.  Like Ash pointed out, scum claims are usually more polished.

I'm almost always bad at keeping up with RMM. Claims start coming out and there's weird flavor stuff I just kind of lose track of what's going on. I'll try to catch up in a meaningful way before deadline.
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #1047 on: June 25, 2015, 02:42:53 pm »

I'm so, so far behind here. I'm still wondering why scum!EgorK would lie about his power; it's more plausible to me that his result was tampered with somehow. An Awaclus or Lekkit lynch feels better to me than lynching Egor.

I think ADK has been scummy today, though.  Egor has been.. confusing.  Like Ash pointed out, scum claims are usually more polished.

I'm almost always bad at keeping up with RMM. Claims start coming out and there's weird flavor stuff I just kind of lose track of what's going on. I'll try to catch up in a meaningful way before deadline.

But Egor is basically claiming his power as untamperable.  That's why his lynch is more informative; he flips town his results still hold, but if Lekkit flips town we have to ask if there was redirection.
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #1048 on: June 25, 2015, 02:44:30 pm »

"Can't be rolestopped", while slightly implausibly powerful, is different from "can't be tampered with"
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #1049 on: June 25, 2015, 02:47:47 pm »

"Can't be rolestopped", while slightly implausibly powerful, is different from "can't be tampered with"

He's saying (I think) that he doesn't target the people about whom he gets results.  So that cuts out all tampering that effects targets.
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