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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #975 on: June 23, 2015, 10:04:17 am »

EgorK, was your investigation global?
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #976 on: June 23, 2015, 10:11:29 am »

EgorK, was your investigation global?

I've already said. It returned all demons in some subset of players
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #977 on: June 23, 2015, 10:12:13 am »

EgorK, was your investigation global?

I've already said. It returned all demons in some subset of players

How was the subset chosen? Are you certain ADK and Awaclus were in that specified subset?
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #978 on: June 23, 2015, 10:37:26 am »

EgorK, was your investigation global?

I've already said. It returned all demons in some subset of players

How was the subset chosen? Are you certain ADK and Awaclus were in that specified subset?

Yes, I know this subset and ADK and Awaclus were in it. And I do not want to elaborate this further for now
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #979 on: June 23, 2015, 10:49:00 am »

That's a dilapidated stretch, man.

The role in mafia is "Neighborizer" and is a player of either alignment who can invite players to talk at night in a QT.  To say the Neighborizer doesn't "create" the Neighborhood is a crazy semantic argument.

I say, as a mod, that the Neighborizer must create the neighborhood.  Maybe the mod creates the QT in which that neighborhood is housed.

My role is not "Neighborizer", it's "Karaoke bar host". A neighborizer targets people and they all end up in the QT. I target people, they must voluntarily accept the invitation, and then the QT is created for me and everyone who accepted, and the QT has other mechanics besides just being able to talk.
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #980 on: June 23, 2015, 10:50:09 am »

Even if I didn't invite anyone, the QT would still be created for just me and those mechanics would then apply to just me (i.e. I couldn't target myself).
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #981 on: June 23, 2015, 11:08:02 am »

Even if I didn't invite anyone, the QT would still be created for just me and those mechanics would then apply to just me (i.e. I couldn't target myself).
yeah that does sound plausible. I'm not sure whether or not faust would actually answer the question 'is there a town who can create the ..." with 'no' though.  it's also possible that he would say 'no but there's a town who can invite people'. both seem like legit decisions.

basically, this is a non-trivial syntax issue with high significance for the game. and if faust doesn't clear it up, all we can do is speculate.

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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #982 on: June 23, 2015, 01:24:15 pm »

But you admit that scum created the neighborhood yo which you can invite people.  That's the slip you made.

You should not believe that mail-mi is "technically correct" if you are town with the Caritas power.  Because if you concede a non-town player is in charge of Caritas and you just invite people to it...well, how would town know that?

That's the scum slip.

No player created the neighborhood. It inherently exists, I can just invite people there.

That's a dilapidated stretch, man.

The role in mafia is "Neighborizer" and is a player of either alignment who can invite players to talk at night in a QT.  To say the Neighborizer doesn't "create" the Neighborhood is a crazy semantic argument.

I say, as a mod, that the Neighborizer must create the neighborhood.  Maybe the mod creates the QT in which that neighborhood is housed.

mail-mi said he would ask faust for confirmation on this semantic thing, and he hasn't since answered. if it was as clear as you think it is, don't you think faust would have confirmed?

@mail-mi: did you get an answer?

I thought I said before, but yup I got an answer of "I can't tell you."

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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #983 on: June 23, 2015, 01:24:35 pm »

But, yeah, vote: mail-mi.

So um DeDe now that you're sober, want to vote Awaclus now?
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #984 on: June 23, 2015, 01:28:04 pm »

I don't think Mail-Mi is scum.  Egor I'm really not sure on, along with everyone involved in the Awaclus, ADK, Lekkit thing.  I still think ADK's response to Egor's claim was a scummy. Kind of... forced calmness?  Like not trying to overreact to getting caught. 
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #985 on: June 23, 2015, 01:35:59 pm »

But, yeah, vote: mail-mi.

So um DeDe now that you're sober, want to vote Awaclus now?

Thanks, and no. I stand by thinking he's town. I think EgorK is scum, and at best if we lynch him we get info on Lekkit and Awaclus.

Vote: EgorK.
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #986 on: June 23, 2015, 04:56:14 pm »

I'd vote egork except I'm already there.

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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #987 on: June 24, 2015, 03:58:13 am »

Vote Count 2.6

Awaclus (3): Lekkit, ashersky, mail-mi
EgorK (3): hockeysemlan, chairs, Delirious Deleuze
A Drowned Kernel (1): EgorK
Witherweaver (1): Awaclus

Not Voting (5): 2.71828....., Ichimaru Gin, silverspawn, A Drowned Kernel, Witherweaver

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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #988 on: June 24, 2015, 05:18:48 am »

EgorK, why didn't you accuse me of being scum, since I'm also a demon? And if you're town, why didn't you tell all of us these subsets? It would make finding scum MUCH easier. Because you suspected that demons dind't have to equal scum? In that case, your initial Awaclus vote doesn't make much sense.

As much as I still doubt ADK is town, and I'm starting to come with terms with my investigation being tampered with, I think you're scum. Because your claim doesn't seem to add up.

Vote: EgorK
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #989 on: June 24, 2015, 06:41:09 am »

I think Lekkit and EgorK should both flavor claim, given they are the ones at odds here.
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #990 on: June 24, 2015, 07:42:59 am »

I'm starting to think some kind of Egor/Lekkit team.
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #991 on: June 24, 2015, 08:03:59 am »

I think Lekkit and EgorK should both flavor claim, given they are the ones at odds here.

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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #992 on: June 24, 2015, 08:54:17 am »

EgorK, why didn't you accuse me of being scum, since I'm also a demon? And if you're town, why didn't you tell all of us these subsets? It would make finding scum MUCH easier. Because you suspected that demons dind't have to equal scum? In that case, your initial Awaclus vote doesn't make much sense.

As much as I still doubt ADK is town, and I'm starting to come with terms with my investigation being tampered with, I think you're scum. Because your claim doesn't seem to add up.

Vote: EgorK

How this could help town aside from catching someone lying about alignment (and for that reason it should be kept secret)?
Why do you assume you was in the subset on which my power was exercised?
You see, you are the one whose claim do not add up at the moment. I understand that there may be reasons for it, but still, this looks like you try to redirect attention from you.
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #993 on: June 24, 2015, 08:57:01 am »

I am Tara Maclay
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #994 on: June 24, 2015, 09:02:35 am »

I'm reasonably certain Tara Maclay is dead at this juncture - I can't be certain, but I suspect we're past season 6.

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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #995 on: June 24, 2015, 09:24:49 am »

I'm reasonably certain Tara Maclay is dead at this juncture - I can't be certain, but I suspect we're past season 6.

According to setup post it is Buffy season 6, not past it. Though I know nothing more about setup
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #996 on: June 24, 2015, 10:02:39 am »

so, what are Spike and Tara? humans, vampires, demons, ponies?

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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #997 on: June 24, 2015, 10:07:34 am »

so, what are Spike and Tara? humans, vampires, demons, ponies?

I wanted to be pony, but got myself measly human.

Lekkit said he is demon
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #998 on: June 24, 2015, 10:10:54 am »

Spike was a vampire with bleached blonde hair.  He was kind of an antihero.  A bad guy but Buffy had a thing for him, and sometimes he did some goodish things. 

Well, I'm basing this off of his appearances in Angel.  I never watched Buffy.
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #999 on: June 24, 2015, 10:14:00 am »

EgorK, why didn't you accuse me of being scum, since I'm also a demon? And if you're town, why didn't you tell all of us these subsets? It would make finding scum MUCH easier. Because you suspected that demons dind't have to equal scum? In that case, your initial Awaclus vote doesn't make much sense.

As much as I still doubt ADK is town, and I'm starting to come with terms with my investigation being tampered with, I think you're scum. Because your claim doesn't seem to add up.

Vote: EgorK

How this could help town aside from catching someone lying about alignment (and for that reason it should be kept secret)?
Why do you assume you was in the subset on which my power was exercised?
You see, you are the one whose claim do not add up at the moment. I understand that there may be reasons for it, but still, this looks like you try to redirect attention from you.

See, the reason I asked about if your power was global or not was because I wanted to know if it affected everyone, which  you now say it didn't?

Spike sure is a vampire. He was the antagonist of season 2 of Buffy, but made some reappearances. In season 4, he got chipped by some kind of military branch, making him feel immense pain whenever he attacks a human. He then falls for Buffy and reluctantly help the gang out throughout the series. At one point he gets his soul back and is tormented by that.
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