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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #925 on: June 20, 2015, 09:56:58 pm »

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Why does scum!Egor lie here?
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #926 on: June 21, 2015, 12:33:47 am »

Why is scum anyone lying here?
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #927 on: June 21, 2015, 12:46:13 am »

Why is scum anyone lying here?

Right.  But, Egor's ability is not targetted, apparently, so it can't be redirected.  And it can't be a global flip because of conflicting results.  So Lekkit and Egor are telling the truth, then it has to be Lekkit was redirected and Awaclus is actually a demon.
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #928 on: June 21, 2015, 12:47:01 am »

Ash what do you think about Mail-Mi's Oracle question with regards to creating a neighborhood?
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #929 on: June 21, 2015, 03:31:28 am »

Ash what do you think about Mail-Mi's Oracle question with regards to creating a neighborhood?

I think it was a good try, but not conclusive.
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #930 on: June 21, 2015, 03:32:40 am »

Why is scum anyone lying here?

Right.  But, Egor's ability is not targetted, apparently, so it can't be redirected.  And it can't be a global flip because of conflicting results.  So Lekkit and Egor are telling the truth, then it has to be Lekkit was redirected and Awaclus is actually a demon.

Or one or both is lying.
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #931 on: June 21, 2015, 04:18:37 am »

Vote Count 2.4

Awaclus (1): Lekkit
EgorK (2): hockeysemlan, chairs
Lekkit (1): Delirious Deleuze
A Drowned Kernel (1): EgorK
Witherweaver (1): Awaclus

Not Voting (7): 2.71828....., Ichimaru Gin, silverspawn, A Drowned Kernel, ashersky, mail-mi, Witherweaver

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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #932 on: June 21, 2015, 05:27:22 am »

Mostly replying to not be lurking all weekend. I don't really have much too say at the moment.

I still like my vote on EgorK, he's not terrible scummy but many factors adds up to him being a reasonable lynch to me.

The biggest one being his accusation on ADK, maybe his power could go through "the wall", but it's seems weird. Someone is lying here and to me it seems to be Egor.

Why scum!egor would lie here ain't my business to speculate in, scum needs to do a lot of risky things.. 
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #933 on: June 21, 2015, 12:29:38 pm »

Ash what do you think about Mail-Mi's Oracle question with regards to creating a neighborhood?

I think it was a good try, but not conclusive.

I agree, unfortunately. :(

Sorry I've been gone, I just got an internship where I get to dress up as an alien and shoot little children with fake guns, so that's taken up a lot of my time. I should be around later today.
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #934 on: June 21, 2015, 01:33:16 pm »

Someone asked why I thought mail mi would be a good target flue the night kill. By the way phone posing. I had claimed a day action that I felt could significantly benefit town and openly used it on him.

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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #935 on: June 21, 2015, 01:45:42 pm »

Someone asked why I thought mail mi would be a good target flue the night kill. By the way phone posing. I had claimed a day action that I felt could significantly benefit town and openly used it on him.

That was me.  Well, I guess hitting a Mason creates an IC, but we were basically treating them as ICs.
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #936 on: June 21, 2015, 03:48:59 pm »

Had very tiresome travel day. Posts do not make any sense to me now, which means I need a reread with clear head. I hope there are at least couple days before deadline (when it is, btw?)
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #937 on: June 21, 2015, 04:13:17 pm »

Lol, live game of mafia is going on in the same car of the suburban train :)
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #938 on: June 21, 2015, 05:07:36 pm »

Lol, live game of mafia is going on in the same car of the suburban train :)

Point out their scum tells
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #939 on: June 22, 2015, 06:17:11 am »

Day action window closed, by the way.
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #940 on: June 22, 2015, 11:58:23 am »

way behind, have some rereading to do.  I don't get back home until Wednesday evening, and I hope to have a full reread by Thursday night
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #941 on: June 22, 2015, 06:05:46 pm »

Are we all waiting on Egor?
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #942 on: June 22, 2015, 06:08:03 pm »

I don't think Lekkit makes that claim as scum.  It doesn't gain him enough to be worth being caught.

The idea is that there's a very little chance that lying would get him caught because of the larger claim of mail-mi.

And chairs, why do you think it goes past protection?

Because it is non targeted and faust confirmed rolestop would not interfere with it. Under some condition I am told all players fulfilling some condition that are demons


.... why specifically Rolestop?
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #943 on: June 22, 2015, 10:02:53 pm »

I, uh, wouldn't be surprised to find out that Awaclus is some sort of third-party role, e.g. Survivor.

That's fair, but I feel he would have literally just auto-said that... Why lie about being town otherwise? Also doesn't negate mail-mi's claim or  the lying about being human

I'm not lying about being human. I'm not human. Either Lekkit is lying about his result (which seems unlikely) or there's a role that messes with it (which seems pretty likely). Mail-mi's claim is technically correct, but it doesn't actually do anything.

I'm going over the claims for the day and working up a big post, but I think Awaclus scumslipped here.

I bolded, italicized, and grew the line I think is a scumslip.  Awaclus is talking about mail-mi's original Oracle question, which was whether there was a town role that could create Caritas.  Faust's answer was no, so mail-mi assumed Awaclus was scum.

Awaclus's response was that he didn't create the neighborhood, just invited people to it, so the result isn't a slamdunk.  And that's a fine argument...but for him to say mail-mi is "technically correct" there means he already knows and agrees that town can't create the neighborhood.

I think that's him knowing that it was a scum power, and probably his.

Scumslip FTW.

vote: awaclus
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #944 on: June 22, 2015, 10:21:11 pm »

Ok. I'm here. Still very busy  :(
I'm not sure about that scumslip. However, there is a lot of ancillary evidence pointing to Awaclus being scum.
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #945 on: June 22, 2015, 10:36:54 pm »

I was invited to awalcus' area tonight. It may be because he didn't want me to watch him through the night to know who he targeted. I agreed to go before I realized this might be why.
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #946 on: June 22, 2015, 10:45:11 pm »

I want to clarify something on targeting, based on claims.

Per hockey, the following two groups could only target within themselves:

DeDe, hockey, ADK, IG, WW and Mail-Mi
2.7, chairs, EgorK, silverspawn, ashersky, Awaclus, Lekkit

Per Caritas rules claimed by multiple people, these players could not target each other:

Awaclus, WW, mail-mi, silverspawn

Putting it together...

mail-mi could only target DD, hockey, ADK, and IG
WW could only target DD, hockey, ADK, and IG
Awaclus could only target 2.7, chairs, EgorK, ashersky, and Lekkit
Silverspawn could only target 2.7, hairs, EgorK, ashersky, and Lekkit

If any of those four want to claim to have targeted someone outside those lists, that'd be helpful.
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #947 on: June 22, 2015, 10:57:38 pm »

A review of D2 claims (numbers are reply #):

#617 - Silverspawn asks if anyone roleblocked him, and if not, says ADK is lying.
#622 - DD says ADK, Ichi, WW, DD, mail-mi, and hockey were "protected."
#627 - chairs asks mcmcsalot what he thinks of his power.
#632 - DD claims he can protect however many people he wants at night.  Those protected cannot be targeted from outside of the group, but can target each other.
#635 - Silverspawn says #617 is now irrelevant due to DD's claim.
#638 - DD claims only a dayvig or roleblocker can stop his power.
#639 - WW counterclaims DD -- stating only that he thinks he's lying.
#643 - DD clarifies that he a Watcher during the day and protector at night.
#648 - Awaclus flavor claims Lorne.
#649 - DD clarifies now that his Protection power was 1-Shot.
#651 - DD now clarifies that #632 onward were lies, and that Hockey actually held that power.
#655 - chairs clarifies that his power only works on women and is a Day action.  It gives his target the option to perform their night action twice or (something else).
#656 - mail-mi claims that DD and Hockey are town and Awaclus is scum.
#671 - Lekkit counterclaims Awaclus, saying he learned Awaclus is human (Lorne is a demon.)
#672 - mail-mi claims to be Oracle.  States he did it twice, confirming chairs's #655.  He states the PM he got during the day was an invitation to the Caritas Neighborhood.  First Oracle question was if there were any masons in the game -- answer was yes.  States that Awaclus said he invited the rest of them to the Caritas Neighborhood.  Second Oracle question is if a town power exists to create the Caritas Neighborhood -- answer was no.
#674 - WW claims to be in the Caritas Neighborhood, confirms mail-mi claimed Oracle in it.
#676 - Awaclus counterclaims Lekkit and counterclaims mail-mi technically he invited people to Caritas but did not create it.
#684 - Awaclus claims 1-Shot Lynchproof.
#692 - mail-mi claims to have asked how many scum there were and was told there are at least four players who are not aligned with town.
#694 - hockey claims that DD's claims are true about him.  First time he uses the word "shield."
#703 - mail-mi claims to have sent ADK a message with part of his role.
#704 - Awaclus claims that people in the Caritas Neighborhood cannot target each other.  SCUMSLIP post.
#708 - Awaclus claims that Caritas held Awaclus, mail-mi, WW, and SS.
#710 - mail-mi confirms no one in Caritas could target each other.
#717 - Awaclus gives something to SS.
#749 - Awaclus claims the item can be used, but only under certain conditions.
#772 - mail-mi clarifies he can only ask about the setup, not players.
#793 - SS claims he received the item from Awaclus and it is "very, very good."
#816 - Lekkit flavor claims to be a demon.
#819 - Awaclus claims his Caritas invitation power was a day power.
#829 - hockey clarifies further his shield power.  Claims now that his power split the game into two groups of players and that players in each group could ONLY target within the same group.
#833 - hockey clarifies that DeDe, hockey, ADK, IG, WW and Mail-Mi were in one group, and could ONLY target each other.  The other group was 2.7, chairs, EgorK, silverspawn, ashersky, Awaclus, Lekkit.
#853 - Lekkit clarifies his claim that he targeted Awaclus and received the result: human.
#855 - hockey clarifies that the sheild makes the groups "untargetable" by the other.
#862 - SS reminds everyone that he claimed a voting restriction.
#875 - Awaclus clarifies that the non-targeting in Caritas was mod-confirmed.
#880 - EgorK claims to have a night power that informed him ADK is not a demon.  He claims his night power cannot be Role Stopped.  This is a specific counterclaim for hockey's power, as it crosses the shield.
#883 - chairs claims there is a way for EgorK to get "not a demon" on ADK while he is still Angel.
#893 - EgorK clarifies his claim, saying it is "non-targeted" and therefore not countering the hockey sheild claim.  He claims that he is told the names of all players who are demons fulfilling some conditions.
#918 - EgorK claims he got a demon result on Awaclus.
#945 - DD claims to have been invited to Caritas by Awaclus today, on D2.

And that's all of it, in order.
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #948 on: June 22, 2015, 11:17:22 pm »

I was invited to awalcus' area tonight. It may be because he didn't want me to watch him through the night to know who he targeted. I agreed to go before I realized this might be why.

Watching sees who targets the person, not who the person targets.

But awaclus might have messed that up? I got an invite too, and accepted, because I don't target anyone at night.

Back to vote: awaclus
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #949 on: June 23, 2015, 12:00:06 am »

The biggest counterclaim issue here is:

Awaclus claims Lorne (demon).
Lekkit claims Awaclus is human.
EgorK claims Awaclus is demon.

So, well, Lekkit is the liar.  Except, man Awaclus is super scummy and seems to be caught in all sorts of lies.
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