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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #875 on: June 19, 2015, 09:52:27 pm »

How did everyone know they couldn't be targeted in the neighborhood last night?

Faust told us.
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #876 on: June 19, 2015, 09:58:15 pm »

Then, I'm actually beginning to believe Awaclus. It does all make sense flavorwise, and if faust said that, it seems much less scummy - sorry I was so down you. Just thought you seemed awful scummy.

This makes me think Lekkit is lying. I don't see scum just randomly redirecting his result, because why take the risk when there were other claimed people (including oracle with buff). That makes me suspect Lekkit was lying and just jumped in their hoping his result would instantly lend credibility to the (what he knew to be wrong) read, while still sneaking in there for town cred and then still making the push look like it was mail-mi's doing.

I think mail-mi just asked it badly, but Lekkit is lying.

Vote: Lekkit.
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #877 on: June 19, 2015, 10:24:16 pm »

Then, I'm actually beginning to believe Awaclus. It does all make sense flavorwise, and if faust said that, it seems much less scummy - sorry I was so down you. Just thought you seemed awful scummy.

This makes me think Lekkit is lying. I don't see scum just randomly redirecting his result, because why take the risk when there were other claimed people (including oracle with buff). That makes me suspect Lekkit was lying and just jumped in their hoping his result would instantly lend credibility to the (what he knew to be wrong) read, while still sneaking in there for town cred and then still making the push look like it was mail-mi's doing.

I think mail-mi just asked it badly, but Lekkit is lying.

Vote: Lekkit.

What's scum's motivation for lying about a result? To get us to mislynch Awaclus in particular (can't see why scum would be particularly afraid of him), then after he flips town, hope that we believe that he was redirected? That's a lot of risk just for one mislynch.
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #878 on: June 19, 2015, 10:38:45 pm »

Then, I'm actually beginning to believe Awaclus. It does all make sense flavorwise, and if faust said that, it seems much less scummy - sorry I was so down you. Just thought you seemed awful scummy.

This makes me think Lekkit is lying. I don't see scum just randomly redirecting his result, because why take the risk when there were other claimed people (including oracle with buff). That makes me suspect Lekkit was lying and just jumped in their hoping his result would instantly lend credibility to the (what he knew to be wrong) read, while still sneaking in there for town cred and then still making the push look like it was mail-mi's doing.

I think mail-mi just asked it badly, but Lekkit is lying.

Vote: Lekkit.

What's scum's motivation for lying about a result? To get us to mislynch Awaclus in particular (can't see why scum would be particularly afraid of him), then after he flips town, hope that we believe that he was redirected? That's a lot of risk just for one mislynch.

No, I think I have not explained myself well enough.

I'm saying that, and go back and check this, Lekkit only popped in with his result aftermail-mi claimed that he was sure that awaclus was scum. The idea is that Lekkit, scum, would jump in to agree with the result with no skin off his back when he lied with the mini-claim (he even said he wasn't taking away the thunder of mail-mi's claim).

He didn't know, however, that mail-mi was incorrect and asked the wrong question (thus the false positive). He was assuming either mail-mi found the other scum faction (cool, he jumps in and they lynch scum, he gets cred) or they lynch town, but then mail-mi was the one who jumped and claimed first and drove it, he was just agreeing and his was only a small flavor based claim.

It's the perfect way for scum to get town cred and still get a lynch somewhere outside of his faction.
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #879 on: June 19, 2015, 10:47:43 pm »

Then, I'm actually beginning to believe Awaclus. It does all make sense flavorwise, and if faust said that, it seems much less scummy - sorry I was so down you. Just thought you seemed awful scummy.

This makes me think Lekkit is lying. I don't see scum just randomly redirecting his result, because why take the risk when there were other claimed people (including oracle with buff). That makes me suspect Lekkit was lying and just jumped in their hoping his result would instantly lend credibility to the (what he knew to be wrong) read, while still sneaking in there for town cred and then still making the push look like it was mail-mi's doing.

I think mail-mi just asked it badly, but Lekkit is lying.

Vote: Lekkit.

What's scum's motivation for lying about a result? To get us to mislynch Awaclus in particular (can't see why scum would be particularly afraid of him), then after he flips town, hope that we believe that he was redirected? That's a lot of risk just for one mislynch.

No, I think I have not explained myself well enough.

I'm saying that, and go back and check this, Lekkit only popped in with his result aftermail-mi claimed that he was sure that awaclus was scum. The idea is that Lekkit, scum, would jump in to agree with the result with no skin off his back when he lied with the mini-claim (he even said he wasn't taking away the thunder of mail-mi's claim).

He didn't know, however, that mail-mi was incorrect and asked the wrong question (thus the false positive). He was assuming either mail-mi found the other scum faction (cool, he jumps in and they lynch scum, he gets cred) or they lynch town, but then mail-mi was the one who jumped and claimed first and drove it, he was just agreeing and his was only a small flavor based claim.

It's the perfect way for scum to get town cred and still get a lynch somewhere outside of his faction.

That actually makes a lot of sense.
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #880 on: June 19, 2015, 11:32:53 pm »

Ok. I have some power I do not want to divulge much yet, but among other things it provided me with info that ADK is not a demon and that this power could not be rolestopped. I am still not fully sure if it would be stopped by hockey power, but I do not believe faust will answer such a direct question. So if all correct ADK is not Angel

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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #881 on: June 19, 2015, 11:51:12 pm »

Ok. I have some power I do not want to divulge much yet, but among other things it provided me with info that ADK is not a demon and that this power could not be rolestopped. I am still not fully sure if it would be stopped by hockey power, but I do not believe faust will answer such a direct question. So if all correct ADK is not Angel

Vote: ADK

I think that Egor is town, but I don't trust this result because he was in a different group than ADK.

I still want to lynch Awaclus, and I believe Lekkit. I don't think for any reason scum lies today. But it doesn't look like it's happening so unvote
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #882 on: June 20, 2015, 12:02:31 am »

Ok. I have some power I do not want to divulge much yet, but among other things it provided me with info that ADK is not a demon and that this power could not be rolestopped. I am still not fully sure if it would be stopped by hockey power, but I do not believe faust will answer such a direct question. So if all correct ADK is not Angel

Vote: ADK

I don't blame Egor for this vote, and am pretty sure this is town, but there's obviously a lot going on in this game role-wise. You've got wrong information.

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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #883 on: June 20, 2015, 12:04:13 am »

Ok. I have some power I do not want to divulge much yet, but among other things it provided me with info that ADK is not a demon and that this power could not be rolestopped. I am still not fully sure if it would be stopped by hockey power, but I do not believe faust will answer such a direct question. So if all correct ADK is not Angel

Vote: ADK

I have reason to believe that you could have an accurate result on ADK and yet him be Angel. That doesn't mean he definitely is, and if his only power is a one shot vig he's at least a safe lynch that gives us a flip.

Open nvm I see adk responded and not with a claim to have become human.

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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #884 on: June 20, 2015, 05:21:15 am »

Then, I'm actually beginning to believe Awaclus. It does all make sense flavorwise, and if faust said that, it seems much less scummy - sorry I was so down you. Just thought you seemed awful scummy.

This makes me think Lekkit is lying. I don't see scum just randomly redirecting his result, because why take the risk when there were other claimed people (including oracle with buff). That makes me suspect Lekkit was lying and just jumped in their hoping his result would instantly lend credibility to the (what he knew to be wrong) read, while still sneaking in there for town cred and then still making the push look like it was mail-mi's doing.

I think mail-mi just asked it badly, but Lekkit is lying.

Vote: Lekkit.

What's scum's motivation for lying about a result? To get us to mislynch Awaclus in particular (can't see why scum would be particularly afraid of him), then after he flips town, hope that we believe that he was redirected? That's a lot of risk just for one mislynch.

No, I think I have not explained myself well enough.

I'm saying that, and go back and check this, Lekkit only popped in with his result aftermail-mi claimed that he was sure that awaclus was scum. The idea is that Lekkit, scum, would jump in to agree with the result with no skin off his back when he lied with the mini-claim (he even said he wasn't taking away the thunder of mail-mi's claim).

He didn't know, however, that mail-mi was incorrect and asked the wrong question (thus the false positive). He was assuming either mail-mi found the other scum faction (cool, he jumps in and they lynch scum, he gets cred) or they lynch town, but then mail-mi was the one who jumped and claimed first and drove it, he was just agreeing and his was only a small flavor based claim.

It's the perfect way for scum to get town cred and still get a lynch somewhere outside of his faction.

I also said Awaclus was lying before mail-mi claimed. After asking about his flavour. Because I had a human result from him. Beacause I investigated him. Because I didn't trust him day 1. Does this really make sense if I was scum?
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #885 on: June 20, 2015, 05:30:39 am »

Vote Count 2.3

Awaclus (1): Lekkit
Witherweaver (1): Awaclus
EgorK (2): hockeysemlan, chairs
Lekkit (1): Delirious Deleuze
A Drowned Kernel (1): EgorK

Not Voting (7): 2.71828....., Ichimaru Gin, Witherweaver, silverspawn, A Drowned Kernel, ashersky, mail-mi

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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #886 on: June 20, 2015, 07:49:02 am »

I don't think Lekkit makes that claim as scum.  It doesn't gain him enough to be worth being caught.
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #887 on: June 20, 2015, 12:20:46 pm »

I don't think Lekkit makes that claim as scum.  It doesn't gain him enough to be worth being caught.

The idea is that there's a very little chance that lying would get him caught because of the larger claim of mail-mi.

And chairs, why do you think it goes past protection?
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #888 on: June 20, 2015, 12:21:08 pm »

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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #889 on: June 20, 2015, 12:55:52 pm »

Ok. I have some power I do not want to divulge much yet, but among other things it provided me with info that ADK is not a demon and that this power could not be rolestopped. I am still not fully sure if it would be stopped by hockey power, but I do not believe faust will answer such a direct question. So if all correct ADK is not Angel

Vote: ADK

Without divulging much yet, how exactly does the power work? i.e. did you specifically get a "not a demon" investigative result, or is it more like you get a result (or something else happens) only if he is a demon and now you didn't get it? If it's the latter, I think it might be worth it to have mail-mi confirm it with his oracle ability before lynching ADK, otherwise I think I like lynching him today.
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #890 on: June 20, 2015, 01:14:15 pm »

I don't think Lekkit makes that claim as scum.  It doesn't gain him enough to be worth being caught.

The idea is that there's a very little chance that lying would get him caught because of the larger claim of mail-mi.

And chairs, why do you think it goes past protection?

Then why doesn't he wait until after I've claimed? He doesn't know what I'm going to say, so why put himself out there first as scum? Yes, there's a good chance that Lekkit is lying, but I don't think he is.
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #891 on: June 20, 2015, 02:08:59 pm »

Chairs, why do you think Mail-Mi was a likely night kill target?  He had quite a bit of suspicion yesterday.

I don't buy the narrative for Lekkit making up his result.  Redirection or Awaclus fake claiming are the more likely scenarios.
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #892 on: June 20, 2015, 02:09:42 pm »

Ok. I have some power I do not want to divulge much yet, but among other things it provided me with info that ADK is not a demon and that this power could not be rolestopped. I am still not fully sure if it would be stopped by hockey power, but I do not believe faust will answer such a direct question. So if all correct ADK is not Angel

Vote: ADK

I don't blame Egor for this vote, and am pretty sure this is town, but there's obviously a lot going on in this game role-wise. You've got wrong information.

Vote: ADK
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #893 on: June 20, 2015, 03:51:20 pm »

I don't think Lekkit makes that claim as scum.  It doesn't gain him enough to be worth being caught.

The idea is that there's a very little chance that lying would get him caught because of the larger claim of mail-mi.

And chairs, why do you think it goes past protection?

Because it is non targeted and faust confirmed rolestop would not interfere with it. Under some condition I am told all players fulfilling some condition that are demons
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #894 on: June 20, 2015, 03:58:09 pm »

I don't think Lekkit makes that claim as scum.  It doesn't gain him enough to be worth being caught.

The idea is that there's a very little chance that lying would get him caught because of the larger claim of mail-mi.

And chairs, why do you think it goes past protection?

Because it is non targeted and faust confirmed rolestop would not interfere with it. Under some condition I am told all players fulfilling some condition that are demons

Non-targeted doesn't sound like the hockeypower would interfere with it.

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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #895 on: June 20, 2015, 04:29:22 pm »

I don't honestly trust Egor just jumping in with this claim. Why didn't you claim earlier? Why is everyone just jumping on and trusting this?
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« Reply #896 on: June 20, 2015, 04:31:14 pm »

I don't honestly trust Egor just jumping in with this claim. Why didn't you claim earlier? Why is everyone just jumping on and trusting this?
Yeah. This feels weird. It also sounds really similar to Lekkit's claimed power.

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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #897 on: June 20, 2015, 04:44:54 pm »

I don't honestly trust Egor just jumping in with this claim. Why didn't you claim earlier? Why is everyone just jumping on and trusting this?

Just look at his earlier posts today. It'd make sense he'd want to figure the flavor out before claiming. I assume he also saw that I'm a demon, and then voted for me because he thought being a demon meant being scummy.
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« Reply #898 on: June 20, 2015, 04:52:12 pm »

I don't honestly trust Egor just jumping in with this claim. Why didn't you claim earlier? Why is everyone just jumping on and trusting this?

Just look at his earlier posts today. It'd make sense he'd want to figure the flavor out before claiming. I assume he also saw that I'm a demon, and then voted for me because he thought being a demon meant being scummy.

No. If he was town he would've claimed that lekkit was wrong or lying. This smells so fishy. I literally just ate sushi and I still smell this.

This does not seem right. He almost gets lynched and people start voting for him and he claims this, then explains it and doesn't at all mention you? This does not seem right.
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #899 on: June 20, 2015, 04:56:09 pm »

Oh right, for a while I forgot that WW deviated us from the EgorK lynch yesterday. That's a pretty good point against him.
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