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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #850 on: June 19, 2015, 06:38:00 pm »

Unvote

Now I'm confused.
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #851 on: June 19, 2015, 06:38:38 pm »

I thought Lekkit targeted mail-mi.  They are on opposite sides of the alleged hockey shield.
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #852 on: June 19, 2015, 06:38:49 pm »

This is why I have such trouble with RMM. I just want to read people's posts and figure out who's scum, not wade through a sea of bizarre claims.

hockey does your power make people untargetable to people outside their group or just unkillable?
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #853 on: June 19, 2015, 06:41:27 pm »

I targeted Awaclus. The result was that he was human. I think someone said Awaclus was inside the shield. I was confused about that.
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #854 on: June 19, 2015, 06:45:29 pm »

Lekkit himself said the hockey shield should have blocked his power.  That's what I was going off of.  If he wasn't going across the shield, obviously I retract that bit.

As for no night kill...it's very naive of you (or newbish, or scummy) to assume only your power stopped the NK.  It's also extremely cocky to think you were so amazing at using your power (wasted on N1, by the way) that you saved town, or that you were definitely the target.

There are many roles that stop kills...doctors, roleblockers, lightning rods, commuters, and hiders, to name a few without looking anything up.  Scum can no kill for a plethora of reasons, especially in RMM.  Maybe they are arsonists, or poisoners, or gain powers when they don't kill.

As far as I'm concerned, the hockey shield gives no one extra town or scum cred.

Heyhey! I'm not saying I'm amazing or anything, I'm definietly not. I have not seen Lekkits claim to do anything on Mail-mi. Sorry for that. Mind to point it out?

And for the strategic parts, give me some space will ya..? Claimed masons D1, as far as I could assume I could be the first target. Or some other shenanigan to kill me off quickly. Using the power N1 it could do something and maybe it did. Heck, this IS my first RMM, I know squad, Mkey?

It's extremely odd of you to vote for masons. and if I haven't seen you go hard on newbies before I would so OMGUS you right now. But you're Ashersky so I try to keep it cool.

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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #855 on: June 19, 2015, 06:47:43 pm »

This is why I have such trouble with RMM. I just want to read people's posts and figure out who's scum, not wade through a sea of bizarre claims.

hockey does your power make people untargetable to people outside their group or just unkillable?

Untargetable.
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #856 on: June 19, 2015, 06:49:58 pm »

Okay, so either:

-Lekkit is lying
-hockey is lying
-someone redirected Lekkit

Is that right?
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #857 on: June 19, 2015, 06:50:18 pm »

OR hockey's power was blocked somehow.
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #858 on: June 19, 2015, 06:51:36 pm »

OR forget all that because I'm still catching up and no, Lekkit isn't claiming that he targetted across the shield
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #859 on: June 19, 2015, 06:53:31 pm »

So we go back to, is Awaclus lying about his flavor? I'm not sure what the scum narrative for that is, since human/demon isn't supposed to be indicative of alignment.
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #860 on: June 19, 2015, 06:56:11 pm »

Okay, so either:

-Lekkit is lying
-hockey is lying
-someone redirected Lekkit

Is that right?

No. He targeted Awaclus. That should be alright.

Awaclus is the main story for today indeed, not the shield-mechanic really. As Ashersky points out there could be several reasons why there was no NK, whatevs I suppose.
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #861 on: June 19, 2015, 07:06:21 pm »

Okay, sorry if this is long/wordy. Going to do a recap of claims/etc so far.

1. 2.71828.....
2. Hydrad (Xander Harris, the Town-aligned Sarcastic Sidekick) (lynched D1)
3. chairs (claims Day action that gives two options to female target with Night action. Option 1 allows target to use Night action twice. Option 2 has not been claimed.)
4. EgorK
5. Ichimaru Gin
6. Witherweaver
7. silverspawn
8. ashersky
9. hockeysemlan (Claimed Mason / Modified JOAT - 1-shot "Separated Groups" power utilized, group list below)
10. Ghacob (Dawn Summers, the Town-aligned Kleptomaniac Teenager) (killed D1)
11. A Drowned Kernel (Claimed Angel, 1-shot Dayvig)
12. Awaclus (Claimed Lorne, Demon / Modified Neighborizer - determines Neighborhood invites during Day, appears to be optional to join. Neighbors cannot target each other.)
13. Lekkit (Claimed Demon w/Species Cop)
14. Delirious Deleuze (Claimed Mason w/hockey)
15. mail-mi (Claimed Cordelia, Human / Oracle - can ask questions of faust at Night.)

==HOCKEY GROUP LIST==
Group 1: Delirious Deleuze, hockeysemlan, ADK, IG, WW, Mail-Mi.
Group 2: e, chairs, EgorK, silverspawn, ashersky, Awaclus, Lekkit.

People in either group untargetable by other group.
==END GROUP LIST==

==AWACLUS NEIGHBORHOOD LIST N1==
No-target Neighbors: Awaclus, WW, mail-mi, silverspawn

People in Neighborhood unable to target each other.
==END NEIGHBORHOOD LIST N1==

==POWER USE CLAIMS==
Lekkit claims to have targeted Awaclus N1 and received result of Human. This target is valid, but the result does not match Awaclus's claim. This suggests either one of them is lying or that Lekkit was redirected.

chairs targeted mail-mi D1. Mail-mi confirmed being provided opportunity N1 to use chairs's power and opted to use his Night action twice.

ADK killed Ghacob D1.

mail-mi claimed N1 action of asking faust two questions
Q1: Are there any Town masons in game?
A1: Yes. (This suggests DeDe/Hockey are in fact Masons and basically ICs them).
Q2: Are there any Town roles capable of creating the Caritas neighborhood (Awaclus's neighborhood)?
A2: No. (This would suggest scum!Awaclus but is complicated by the fact that Caritas might not be "created" by Awaclus and simply exist).


Again, sorry about the long post here. Have I missed any claims? Does this help clear things up for everyone?

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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #862 on: June 19, 2015, 07:13:28 pm »

this is great. thanks! I was already coming to terms with the prospect of having to do it myself.

(I also claimed a voting restriction)

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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #863 on: June 19, 2015, 07:25:59 pm »

this is great. thanks! I was already coming to terms with the prospect of having to do it myself.

(I also claimed a voting restriction)

Noted - you can only vote once/Day, right?

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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #864 on: June 19, 2015, 07:29:29 pm »

Unrelated, semi-v/la starting ~30 minutes from this post and ending ~48 hours from there.

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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #865 on: June 19, 2015, 08:31:18 pm »

Since no one is claiming to have redirected Lekkits role, it either means scum redirected, Lekkit is lying, or Awalcus is lying.

1. Why would scum choose to redirect Lekkit? Especially when multiple other people claimed powers (I claimed watcher, mail-mi claimed). Why take the risk as scum? This doesn't seem probable, especially since they knew mail-mi had an extra power from chairs.
2. Why would Lekkit just lie: a) before mail-mi claimed his results b) on D2?!

You also forgot the claim that Awalcus is one shot unlynchable.

Also we know there are 4 scum. That means that we probably have a SK and a 3 person scum team or 2 two person scum teams. What would this mean for partners?
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #866 on: June 19, 2015, 08:34:12 pm »

I forgot that Awaclus claim 1-shot lynchproof. Yeah, I want to lynch Awaclus.
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #867 on: June 19, 2015, 08:35:31 pm »

I forgot that Awaclus claim 1-shot lynchproof. Yeah, I want to lynch Awaclus.

That's how I feel. I'd rather someone just kill him tho.
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #868 on: June 19, 2015, 08:37:39 pm »

I would like to know people's opinions on lynching him before the action window endS
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #869 on: June 19, 2015, 08:38:58 pm »

I like chairs a lot right now. I will not be lynching him ever, unless we get some kind of result on him.

I also think we definitely need to lynch outside hockey's group. I could go egork, but I still prefer awaclus
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #870 on: June 19, 2015, 09:10:24 pm »

Why do people want to lynch me? Because I'm playing exactly the way I always play as town and noticeably differently from the way I always play as scum, because my flavor claim is consistent (afaik, the only one that would make any sense) with my role which has been confirmed by multiple people, because lynching me gives scum a free night to do whatever they want while we're not lynching scum or even getting a flip, or perhaps because there's a reason to believe that all the "results" on me were false?
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #871 on: June 19, 2015, 09:19:43 pm »

Also, I'll explain a couple of things in my karaoke bar if you accept the invitations.
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #872 on: June 19, 2015, 09:35:10 pm »

Noted - you can only vote once/Day, right?

not quite, but I'm not reveling how exactly it works - don't see what that'd be good for.

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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #873 on: June 19, 2015, 09:44:29 pm »

Also, I'll explain a couple of things in my karaoke bar if you accept the invitations.

I don't trust this and I don't trust you. You honestly have nothing going for you but the doubt of other people's evidence, which is much less than I'm willing to trust. You're only arguments are:

a) I'm just like my meta!
bad argument
b) Other people are wrong
still less substantiated and doesn't make sense on why they'd lie - see above
c) that's actually it.

I have a question for everyone invited into the neighborhood last night, how did you know that you couldn't target each other?
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #874 on: June 19, 2015, 09:50:46 pm »

I feel like if awaclus was a survivor he would've claimed, but he's insisting on being town. I don't see town having lynch proof.

How did everyone know they couldn't be targeted in the neighborhood last night?
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