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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #825 on: June 19, 2015, 03:50:23 pm »

... why would scum want to kill Mail-Mi?

I don't know if you did. It's a possibility, though.

I am waiting for some clarification from faust

It's also a possibility that scum wanted to kill me, Silverspawn, or you.

Why did you say Mail-Mi?

What kind of clarification?
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #826 on: June 19, 2015, 03:50:36 pm »

Quoting is lame.  Repeating:

It's also a possibility that scum wanted to kill me, Silverspawn, or you.

Why did you say Mail-Mi?
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #827 on: June 19, 2015, 03:55:47 pm »

Quoting is lame.  Repeating:

It's also a possibility that scum wanted to kill me, Silverspawn, or you.

Why did you say Mail-Mi?

Because mail-mi was one of those protected by the protection. Silverspawn and I weren't, so if your partner tried to kill me or silverspawn, we'd have a dead me or silverspawn now, respectively. It's also possible that scum wanted to kill you, but that would either mean that scum wanted to kill someone from their own faction, which doesn't really sound very plausible, or that you aren't scum, which is even less likely.
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #828 on: June 19, 2015, 04:00:29 pm »

But then that applies to anyone in the protection. 

I have to assume you're just not being serious when you say these things.
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #829 on: June 19, 2015, 04:15:39 pm »

DD/Hockey, I'm unclear:

Can those in the "protected" group target those outside of the "protected" group?

Here's the deal: The players I chose got in one group, the rest in another. Players can target each other IN respective group but not outside it. We had no NK, and I think it probable DeDe or myself was going to be the target, and that should mean the following:

Scum can absolutely be in the chosen group, but it's guaranteed there's scum outside it. If all scum we're in the group I chose there would be a NK if they tried to get DeDe or me. We hade none, someone outside the group shoot inside it or vice versa.

Of course. Scum could have chosen someone else out of DeDe and me and thus be in the group altogheter, but how likely is that..? I ask non-rethoricly since I'm quite new. We can't make anyone IC out of this, but we can use it to narrow down probable target to lynch today if we want.

How do you feel? I suggest we lynch outside the group for today and make a overall-look for D3. Assumptions are never solide (I recently learnt the hard way), but they can be useful to make things a little more easier just for one day.

Therefore I don't really like what chairs is doing, even if I'm somehow agree that awaclus is townie. Can he be an option?

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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #830 on: June 19, 2015, 04:18:27 pm »

Okay.. that wasn't spelled out like that before, right?  DD suggested it was only one directional.

Who was the one to say they thought it worked that way?
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #831 on: June 19, 2015, 04:20:22 pm »

Protection is really the wrong word. The power shielded some players from others, there's really nothing more to it. If we want, we can just be happy there was no NK and treat it as nothing in the future.. 

PPE: I got the wordings and I might have explained it unclear to DeDe. This above is as clear as I can get in english though..
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #832 on: June 19, 2015, 04:27:52 pm »

And who was in each group?
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #833 on: June 19, 2015, 04:28:58 pm »

And who was in each group?

Is listed above but: DeDe, me, ADK, IG, WW and Mail-Mi. The rest in the other.
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #834 on: June 19, 2015, 04:38:13 pm »

Okay.. that wasn't spelled out like that before, right?  DD suggested it was only one directional.

Who was the one to say they thought it worked that way?

That would be me. Called it :D

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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #835 on: June 19, 2015, 04:46:46 pm »

Okay.. that wasn't spelled out like that before, right?  DD suggested it was only one directional.

Who was the one to say they thought it worked that way?

That would be me. Called it :D

Sorry I tried to explain it based on how I explained it! Confusion all around! Sorry!
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #836 on: June 19, 2015, 04:49:12 pm »

Okay.. that wasn't spelled out like that before, right?  DD suggested it was only one directional.

Who was the one to say they thought it worked that way?

That would be me. Called it :D

20 townpoints to you, then :P

But look, IG was discussed D1, and some consensus were reached around that he has a confrontative-style, that can be seen as scummy if you like, but that it's generally townie and he has been helpful in this game. He's in the chosen group so it's a longshot to go for him today. The case against him needs to be big, and I can't see that happening.

Why do you want us to go for IG? To me it seems like a waste of time..
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #837 on: June 19, 2015, 04:54:01 pm »

chairs has a history of finding me scummy by default.
I think chairs's read on Awaclus requires some mental gymnastics, but this is RMM, so who knows.

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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #838 on: June 19, 2015, 04:58:02 pm »

Okay.. that wasn't spelled out like that before, right?  DD suggested it was only one directional.

Who was the one to say they thought it worked that way?

That would be me. Called it :D

Why did you think that?
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #839 on: June 19, 2015, 05:18:12 pm »

Okay.. that wasn't spelled out like that before, right?  DD suggested it was only one directional.

Who was the one to say they thought it worked that way?

That would be me. Called it :D

Why did you think that?

It makes more sense as a power. I'd like to also point out that it means there's not a "protected" group and a "not-protected" group. Assuming scum have a NK that was blocked due to this power, all we can derive is that the NKing scum was not in the same group as their target.  The groups are:

Group 1: Delirious Deleuze, hockeysemlan, ADK, IG, WW, Mail-Mi.
Group 2: e, chairs, EgorK, silverspawn, ashersky, Awaclus, Lekkit.

This means (for folks with Night actions) that anything you did to target someone outside of your group failed. For example, I had targeted mail-mi - luckily my power is a Day power and therefore wasn't impacted, but if it had been a Night power it would have failed.

We also had the following group from Awaclus:

No-target Neighbors: Awaclus, WW, mail-mi, silverspawn

I will, however, go ahead and lay off IG, because the reality is that I think mail-mi was the obvious choice for the NK (I'd already openly stated I was going to use a support power on him) and barring other protections IG could have shot him.

Based on this information, and assuming claims so far at least in this regard are true, our lynch pool should be (if you think mail-mi is drawing the NK):

WW
e
EgorK
silverspawn
ashersky
Lekkit

I exclude myself because I know I'm Town, and I've excluded Awaclus because if his neighborhood is really no-targetting-each-other he'd ensure he didn't take the shot.

If instead you believe one of the Masons was shot at, then anybody in group 1 is "safe" for Today and you should lynch from group 2, ignoring Awaclus's neighborhood.

What do folks think about ashersky/e/EgorK?

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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #840 on: June 19, 2015, 05:33:16 pm »

Well, this makes things quite a bit different.

So basically WW just targeted someone not in group 1.
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #841 on: June 19, 2015, 06:02:55 pm »

Awaclus tunneling WW is scum faking a town trait.

WW is, unfortunately for everyone who loves lynching WW, town, I think.

Chairs is trying harder than ever before.  That deserves another day of life,me cause active!chairs is great.

I still think hockey is scummy, but until one of him or DD dies to show us they were lying, I'm treating them as masons.  But man, masons with so many extra powers, all the lying and lying and misleading statements....maybe this is finally the time scum has claimed masons.

We have zero confirmation that the shielded group actually existed, right?  And we have Lekkit claiming he was able to target across the shield.  Anyone else have a claim that refutes hockey?

Basically, we are at Lekkit vs. masons, right?  That's the only counterclaim so far.
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #842 on: June 19, 2015, 06:23:28 pm »

We have zero confirmation that the shielded group actually existed, right?  And we have Lekkit claiming he was able to target across the shield.  Anyone else have a claim that refutes hockey?

Basically, we are at Lekkit vs. masons, right?  That's the only counterclaim so far.

What now? First, the NK should be some proof to you that the shield-power exists. If not, I would like to hear some speculation on what happened at night. Proper doctor? 

Second, Lekkit targeting Awaclus should go through since they were in the same group. Players in the SAME group could still target each other. There's no reason to put masons vs. lekkit

Thirdly, other than being masons I have 3 1-shotspower. Strong or not, it's not unbelievable.
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #843 on: June 19, 2015, 06:27:04 pm »


WW
e
EgorK
silverspawn
ashersky
Lekkit

I exclude myself because I know I'm Town, and I've excluded Awaclus because if his neighborhood is really no-targetting-each-other he'd ensure he didn't take the shot.

If instead you believe one of the Masons was shot at, then anybody in group 1 is "safe" for Today and you should lynch from group 2, ignoring Awaclus's neighborhood.

What do folks think about ashersky/e/EgorK?

I like it. I would personally replace e with someone else, he was very townie D1, but other than that it's a plan I could get behind.

Vote: EgorK

properly this time.
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #844 on: June 19, 2015, 06:29:38 pm »

Fudge, I missed the Lekkit thing. Never mind*
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #845 on: June 19, 2015, 06:31:40 pm »

vote: EgorK - this is what makes the most sense to me right now, unless it's ash/ww or scummasonclaim.

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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #846 on: June 19, 2015, 06:32:22 pm »

Lekkit himself said the hockey shield should have blocked his power.  That's what I was going off of.  If he wasn't going across the shield, obviously I retract that bit.

As for no night kill...it's very naive of you (or newbish, or scummy) to assume only your power stopped the NK.  It's also extremely cocky to think you were so amazing at using your power (wasted on N1, by the way) that you saved town, or that you were definitely the target.

There are many roles that stop kills...doctors, roleblockers, lightning rods, commuters, and hiders, to name a few without looking anything up.  Scum can no kill for a plethora of reasons, especially in RMM.  Maybe they are arsonists, or poisoners, or gain powers when they don't kill.

As far as I'm concerned, the hockey shield gives no one extra town or scum cred.
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #847 on: June 19, 2015, 06:33:39 pm »

Wait, in your own freaking list, Lekkit and Mail-Mi are on opposite sides of your own shield.

vote: hockey
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #848 on: June 19, 2015, 06:34:32 pm »

And who was in each group?

Is listed above but: DeDe, me, ADK, IG, WW and Mail-Mi. The rest in the other.

Here is the post in question, quoting Lekkit, even.

Let's see you explain your way out of this one.
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D2)
« Reply #849 on: June 19, 2015, 06:36:38 pm »

Wait. Were people protected or untargetable? If they were untargetable, someone MUST have redirected me to someone else OR the protection didn't work for some reason AND Awaclus is lying.

Or did I?

Lekkit, are you referring to your action on awaclus with this or something else?

Sorry for my confusion, blame it on midsummer.
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