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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D1)
« Reply #525 on: June 16, 2015, 01:15:20 am »

I may not be able to post again before deadline, and I don't know if any other lynch than EgorK is going to get through, so I'm going to leave my vote there.
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D1)
« Reply #526 on: June 16, 2015, 02:51:13 am »

@hockey -- my note is there to point out that the only reason you are off the lynch list is because of DD's claim.  Otherwise I think you are scummy.  But if DD is telling the truth (and I currently believe him), then you are town.

Unless DD is mistaken in thinking you are masons and you are actually neighbors...but that would be terribad.

You guys will be confirmed soon enough -- scum can't leave claimed masons alive too long, given they help us POE so easily.

No, I'm not scummy.. I'm bad.. (see, not mentioning I'm new this ti... ...oh...) there's a difference.

Although, not terribad, DD and I are masons and nothing else. 

Been trying to do some cathing up here, and wow.. I just.. I need to do this even if it's a bit early, but I need to ask it to get some clarification around mail-mi..

Chairs: have you target anyone today?

I targetted mail-mi.

Ah, well.

DeDe have reasons to believe it was scummy of you two to not tell about that interaction, but I haven't really followed why, did mail-mi even know that you targeted him? It's too bad DeDe is absence and I haven't really the time to explain his thoughts so they can become understandable. I guess we can go for mail-mi D2 if anything. I might also have missed something so eh..

Today I feel a vote for him gonna be in vain.

Vote: EgorK

if that's the lynch for today I have no reason to argue against it..
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D1)
« Reply #527 on: June 16, 2015, 04:05:31 am »

Vote Count 1.9

mail-mi (2): Delirious Deleuze, hockeysemlan
EgorK (5): Ichimaru Gin, Hydrad, silverspawn, mail-mi, chairs
Awaclus (1): Lekkit
A Drowned Kernel (2): EgorK, 2.71828.....
Witherweaver (2): ashersky, Awaclus
Hydrad (1): Witherweaver

Not Voting (1): A Drowned Kernel

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. D1 ends on June 16, noon forum time. That's in ~8 hours.
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D1)
« Reply #528 on: June 16, 2015, 04:07:09 am »

Also, this seems like the time to remind everone of this portion of the rules:

5. If the deadline is hit without a player reaching the majority of votes, the player that is closest to lynch will die, with ties broken randomly.
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D1)
« Reply #529 on: June 16, 2015, 04:30:25 am »

Also, this seems like the time to remind everone of this portion of the rules:

5. If the deadline is hit without a player reaching the majority of votes, the player that is closest to lynch will die, with ties broken randomly.

Oh hey thats nice of you. Now we can stop worrying about going on Egork for just a lynch to go through.

I wanna go

Vote: WW
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D1)
« Reply #530 on: June 16, 2015, 05:10:31 am »

Reread time. WW:

54: votes for silver because he has no vote restriction (RVS)
77: reaction for ADK vig claim - hai Yuma
84: revotes for silver for being all cautious
111: asks mail-mi why save vig vote for d2
116: has doubts about scum!ADK making vig claim
121: says that chairs suggested flavor claiming and then said nothing
124: thinks that mafia almost never suggest claims hence suggesting is townie
128: vigvoted DD for trying hard to have read on everyone
132: rebukes silver's suggestion that he voted for DD because DD listed him as scummy
134: based on that suggests that he is IC now
136: reminds ash of DDs 2-3 town games before his SK game
140: thinks that his vote on DD may discourage posting content, but says he voted because he thought DD scummy
142-143: more ramblings about not discouraging playstyle because of voting

Ok, I'll skip posts with no meaningful content from here on

175: analyzed DD reads post to prove it had little actual content
176: thinks ash post towny
177: does not agree with DD that claims/hints were sketchy
189: thinks chairs more likely town then scum based on suggesting flavor claim
192: prods chairs
209: says DD is wrong, but not inherently scummy because of this
214, 230, 234, 239, 242: comments, clarifications, not so important questions
245: vigvotes hockey for budding guy that suspects him
263: asks me why I think mail-mi is scummy
more comments and clarifications (and jokes)
319: believes DD masons claim
328: unvigvotes
337: poe list - http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=12917.msg499999#msg499999 . Just noticed that he skipped me for some reason
comments
379, 385: defends ADK
back and forth with Awaclus about how he is not helpful
435: thinks that for IG Awaclus and me should be about the same
449: thinks mail-mi is onlly sheeping
451: thinks silver making himself seems active without providing content
464: thinks e analysis is good and townie
some flavor comments and trying to remember IG vs DD thing
498: votes Hydrad

Much more townie content than I assumed, will not vote here unless I need to save myself
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D1)
« Reply #531 on: June 16, 2015, 05:15:53 am »

Probably will do Hydrad next
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D1)
« Reply #532 on: June 16, 2015, 07:48:48 am »

So I was going to wait until Egork did the Hydrad reread before sleeping so that I could defend myself and stuff if needed. But it seems to be taking longer then I thought.

Also I think just 4 hours left.
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D1)
« Reply #533 on: June 16, 2015, 08:06:24 am »

Hydrad:

69: RVS vote on mail-mi
71: thinks he do not care much of flavor claiming but says he do not know much about flavor
97-98, 100: Dayvig is ok, but may be more useful later
108-109: In favor of dayvig because it is extra lynch
147: Gives DD day 1 pass for content
155: Vigvotes Awaclus
158: Do not want to vig mail-mi or DD
288: PoE list - http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=12917.msg499860#msg499860
291: Thinks that e hadn't done much yet to warrant crossing off list
296: Thinks my post about mail-mi is towny
388: Thinks that chairs is town, asks whether he should flavor claim
389: thinks that shooting Ghacob do not provide much info
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457: votes for me, do not want to lynch ADK right now
495: says he ok hoping to WW
499: says WW vote on him is curious
529: switches to WW after mod mentions that there no need to have a absolute majority to lynch in this game

Would not mind switching here. I still think ADK is SK with big probability, but Hydrad is good candidate to be scum. On the other hand he always feel scummy
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D1)
« Reply #534 on: June 16, 2015, 08:06:53 am »

So I was going to wait until Egork did the Hydrad reread before sleeping so that I could defend myself and stuff if needed. But it seems to be taking longer then I thought.

Also I think just 4 hours left.

If not for shitty internet I'd posted it earlier, sorry
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D1)
« Reply #535 on: June 16, 2015, 08:49:22 am »

You think ADK is SK with day kill?
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D1)
« Reply #536 on: June 16, 2015, 09:14:49 am »

You think ADK is SK with day kill?

yeah, that doesn't make too much sense, considering he announced his shot in the thread.

unless he can actually shoot in his QT and the post in the thread was just a farce - that would be pretty smart. Also seems kind of convoluted though

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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D1)
« Reply #537 on: June 16, 2015, 09:15:13 am »

(with 'announced' I mean 'performed')

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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D1)
« Reply #538 on: June 16, 2015, 09:33:21 am »

Yeah. WW's post with that statement feels li hedgy to me.

Could you point out the specific post(s) where you thought my thought processes were as you said?
Or is this entirely based off of your theorizing about my thought processes with no evidence? My confidence or aggressiveness or whatever isn't a bluff if that's what you're positing. If I feel sure enough that someone is scum, I will make it a 1v1--I feel pretty confident about doing that given my mislynch record. There's no point in making it me vs. DeDe when I'm town and think he is town/null though. But maybe that's what you wanted...

So, responding:

So, first, you follow my vote on DD, citing the same kind of thought process I had.  That's alright.  DD responds to criticisms and eventually it gets to:

generic ad hom attack of it feeling "forced."
Why is everyone ignoring this? This is probably the #1 thing that makes me think DeDe is scum right now. It's such a clear attempt to misinterpret what I was actually saying.

That, and now load of people are defending him and attacking me for having a scumread on him. Yeah, I'm sticking to my guns--I don't care how unpopular it is. I'm trusting my gut on this one. I've gotten burned too many times going along with others.

The only thing that bothered me about that is, you're not wrong about DeDe being incorrect, but that doesn't really indicate scumminess.  But anyway, the thing here is that it's a little you vs. DeDe, but no one is taking your side.  Then you bring up DeDe's post about Chairs and a couple posts later say you would consider moving to Chairs:

Yep. Chairs only has one post. This.

My role cares about other people's flavor names. How does everyone feel about the benefits/drawbacks to flavor name claiming?
I might actually prefer chairs...
Even with his lurking though, it seems like people never want to lynch him. He barely got any suspicion in M61 as scum.

PPE: WW In a vacuum, I might agree with you. Chairs literally hasn't posted anything since then though. He's not VLA is he?

Then there more on the ad hominem thing, then you put a real vote for DD, and then after a number of posts:

Yeah. I'm losing my scumread on DeDe a bit. I still think it's the reads post was maybe him trying to get towncred, but he is providing content.

and you switch a decent time later:

I like vote: EgorK. Pushing bad wagons and has me down as a "safe" backup vote.

So, I left out some quotes here, but on reread it looks better than it was in my head.  The scenario/scum narrative I was considering was something like this: You try out a DD vote; it's a bit townier looking because it's not sheeping (well, he had one vote, but lots of people thought he was town), and in general pursing less likely lynches is townier.  You find yourself in an argument that doesn't really go your way because DD seems to just get more town cred (plus, the claim, but I think that actually happens later).  So you feel if it just continues people are going to start to get a scum read on you, so you decide to back off.  But you need an excuse to back off, so something has to be scummy to give you a reason, and Egor is a good target.  Basically, I had thought it might be: "this isn't working, gotta bail".

Actually you look more town now; the discussion with DD and eventual switch was a lot more spread out than I thought.  Plus, you vigvoted DD, then after some discussion started to consider other options (Chairs), then went back to suspecting him more, real voted him, and then switched.   The Chair suspicion doesn't really look that bad, since you did say at the beginning that you agreed with DD's point there, and didn't just bring it up because you needed to change focus.  The switch to Egor was more organic, too, since it came from direct discussion between you and Egor and not just from him being a good excuse to change your vote.

 
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D1)
« Reply #539 on: June 16, 2015, 09:33:57 am »

You think ADK is SK with day kill?

No, with one shot vig as part of JOAT package

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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D1)
« Reply #540 on: June 16, 2015, 09:35:43 am »

You think ADK is SK with day kill?

No, with one shot vig as part of JOAT package

PPE: 1

a SK who has a vig shot?  ???

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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D1)
« Reply #541 on: June 16, 2015, 09:37:31 am »

You think ADK is SK with day kill?

No, with one shot vig as part of JOAT package

PPE: 1

a SK who has a vig shot?  ???

Why not exactly?
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D1)
« Reply #542 on: June 16, 2015, 09:38:47 am »

Almost out of time?

At least we have a lynch either way.
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D1)
« Reply #543 on: June 16, 2015, 09:40:17 am »

Egor at 4, WW at 3.

I have to assume egor will switch to try to save himself...

Interested to see what people do now.
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D1)
« Reply #544 on: June 16, 2015, 09:44:54 am »

I don't want WW lynched, but my vote is already on EgorK.

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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D1)
« Reply #545 on: June 16, 2015, 09:47:03 am »

I don't want WW lynched, but my vote is already on EgorK.

Let's do ADK then
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D1)
« Reply #546 on: June 16, 2015, 09:48:35 am »

Well I would change to save myself, obviously.
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D1)
« Reply #547 on: June 16, 2015, 09:57:40 am »

I'm here but not really caught up, I've completely lost track of this game. What are the cases on EgorK and WW?
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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D1)
« Reply #548 on: June 16, 2015, 09:57:48 am »

right now, it looks like Egork will get lynched if WW switches. I'm fine with that, probably slightly more fine than with ADK.

also this

Oh hey thats nice of you. Now we can stop worrying about going on Egork for just a lynch to go through.

I wanna go

Vote: WW

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Re: RMM25: Buffy/Angel Mafia (D1)
« Reply #549 on: June 16, 2015, 09:58:40 am »

I'm here but not really caught up, I've completely lost track of this game. What are the cases on EgorK and WW?

EgorK is lurking

WW I don't even know. I guess players think he posted a lot and too secure and was blending in
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