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[Awaclus]

Vigv0te: hockey

[ashersky]

Vote: hockey

[silverspawn]

so, hockey

first thing was that promised to do better than reinoe even though he's new
then he voted (2nd) for mali mi who was against shooting
then DeDe calls him the scummiest player for basically that (he only has a hand full of posts)
he says this

I don't know how to treat the vote from DeDe. His reasoning is pretty legit, I've been away and why not go for the inactive players, but it's no real case and he probably realize that soon. This is a hard game for new players and I hope that can be an understandable reason to be a little more lurking. I try to provide content as soon as I can. but in the start I just want to to try to not mess things up. Hope that's okey.

After that, he suddenly gets weird. he keeps reiterating that he's new, that DeDe makes good points, and just reacts weirdly to pressure altogether. To me, this looks like he's just not used to people calling him scummy, which makes a lot of sense. Probably more likely to come from first time scum, but not necessarily.

Then he starts collecting a lot of votes, makes his joke comment about WW always being scum, and collects some more votes. finally this

You are townish. See. I avoid OMGUS. Proskill.

This is very very scummy. vigv0te: hockeysemlan

A frustrated joke. How? Is everything I write scummy now for some reason? DeDe is trying to create a wagon on me, that is annoying, but not scummy at all. Hence joke about OMGUS. Simple as that.

The vigv0ting on me for very loose reasons is a little bit annoying, I realize there can't be any solid arguments this early, but the vig can theoretically go off anytime and I don't like it. Derpkilling me because I don't really know how to avoid being seen as scum would be a terrible move. I would prefer lynch-votes on me, but yeah, wouldn't everyone..

When do you plan to shoot, ADK?

Again, could be first time scum, but could also be town who is just under pressure for the first time. I don't think he's a great lynch, but he's okay-ish. I guess that's good enough for so early in day 1? I'm fine with shooting him. I don't really have anyone else I'm feeling substantially more scummy about atm.

[silverspawn]

Also briefly reread ash - I don't think I've ever seen him being so conventionally pro town and helpful. no idea what that says about his alignment.

not that he's a valid target for shooting anyway, I was just curious.

[ashersky]

I don't know if that's a compliment or not.

[Witherweaver]

Imma Voltaire this:

1. 2.71828.....
2. Hydrad
3. chairs
4. EgorK
5. Ichimaru Gin
6. Witherweaver
7. silverspawn
8. ashersky
9. hockeysemlan
10. Ghacob
11. A Drowned Kernel
12. Awaclus
13. Lekkit
14. Delirious Deleuze
15. mail-mi

Strikethroughs are off the lynch list for D1.  2.7 because he's always useful later, and it looks like he'll be more active soon.  IG for reasons I just stated.  Me because me.  ADK based on his claim today.  Lekkit because I'm glad he's back and want him around for longer.  DD for reasons I've started up to now.

That leaves nine players, from who I'd support a ADKvig and a lynch.  Players with D1 scum reads (that is, about as scum read as you can get for just D1) are WW, hockey, Ghacob, mail-mi.  Townish but not yet POE'd into safety include chairs, SS, Awaclus.  Too null for schull are Hydrad, EgorK, WW.

I think the vig ought to come from the scummy or null pile; lynch from the scummy pile.

I'm scummy and null.  Sweet.

[Witherweaver]

Actually I more or less agree with this, except I would not cross e off and maybe cross Chairs off. 

[ashersky]

I'm scummy and null.  Sweet.

You are a conundrum.

Or a force.

[Witherweaver]

You are townish. See. I avoid OMGUS. Proskill.

This is very very scummy. vigv0te: hockeysemlan

A frustrated joke. How? Is everything I write scummy now for some reason? DeDe is trying to create a wagon on me, that is annoying, but not scummy at all. Hence joke about OMGUS. Simple as that.

The vigv0ting on me for very loose reasons is a little bit annoying, I realize there can't be any solid arguments this early, but the vig can theoretically go off anytime and I don't like it. Derpkilling me because I don't really know how to avoid being seen as scum would be a terrible move. I would prefer lynch-votes on me, but yeah, wouldn't everyone..

When do you plan to shoot, ADK?

It's scummy because it betrays you as actively thinking about how your response to DeDe voting you will look, in terms of OMGUS, etc.  Your reverse OMGUS itself looked scummy; that you're pointing it out makes it worse, not better.

[Witherweaver]

I'm scummy and null.  Sweet.

You are a conundrum.

Or a force.

As long as I'm measured in Newtons.

[Delirious Deleuze]

When does the window close I have some thoughts I want to get out before the vig shot goes off, but I'm running into work now!

[silverspawn]

I don't know if that's a compliment or not.

maybe... the key word was 'conventionally' though, I think doing crazy stuff like you used to can work in town's favor too.

[silverspawn]

When does the window close I have some thoughts I want to get out before the vig shot goes off, but I'm running into work now!

I think it closes at 11 am forum time, that's only 1,5 hours

based on faust's 'less than 6 hours' comment

[faust]

Day action window closes at noon forum time.

[Delirious Deleuze]

Okay real glad I asked.

DO NOT VIG OR LYNCH HOCKEY. He is town. He and I are masons and planned to make a wagon on him to see who would jump on it. We figured we could garner some information off of it.

I think everyone should go back through to see who helped push his wagon besides me. It makes me very suspicious of mail-mi who jumped on at the beginning and disappeared and ash somewhat. I feel ichi, ADK, WW, and SS are town.

Still at work, can't say much more, but yeah he's town, don't kill him.

[chairs]

D1 mason claim? Wat

[mail-mi]

Okay real glad I asked.

DO NOT VIG OR LYNCH HOCKEY. He is town. He and I are masons and planned to make a wagon on him to see who would jump on it. We figured we could garner some information off of it.

I think everyone should go back through to see who helped push his wagon besides me. It makes me very suspicious of mail-mi who jumped on at the beginning and disappeared and ash somewhat. I feel ichi, ADK, WW, and SS are town.

Still at work, can't say much more, but yeah he's town, don't kill him.

Hm. vigunvote. I'm very willing to believe this claim for today.

I disappeared because I was busy all day.

I think I'll go back to vigv0te: IG

[ashersky]

Yeah...

If it's true, we get an IC.

I find very little utility in that claim, though.  I don't see it helping scum, either, as a fake.  Unless we are dealing with multiple bad guy teams that are small?

[Witherweaver]

Was he intentionally acting scummy? Because that kind of undermines the purpose a little bit.

[Witherweaver]

I believe DeDe.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Yeah, not going to shoot either of those two today.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Will be back for a bit more before deadline.

[hockeysemlan]

I confirm!

We tried to fabricate a wagon on me to get some reads but, eh, the presence of the vig ruined it quite a bit, since that worked completly different than an ordinary lynch.

Sorry for the mess.

And WW, I only intentionelly acted scared newb, it's not my fault that everyone treats that as scummy..

PPE: 3

[Delirious Deleuze]

Was he intentionally acting scummy? Because that kind of undermines the purpose a little bit.

Tried to play up his newbieness because we figured scum would push that as him being scum even though it could be just him being new.

But that being said, ADK who do you think is a good shot? I'm leaning mail-mi right now.

WW and Silver seem to be getting stronger and stronger on my town read.

[2.71828.....]

I really don't want to shoot the only person that has claimed with a vig shot.  I mean, at least let him full claim and we can lynch him or something

I actually like a vigv0te: WW more than anyone else who has been bandied around.