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Previews #4 - Expedition, Trade, Mission
« on: April 02, 2015, 10:01:30 am »
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Adventures has 30 Kingdom cards. It also has 20 Events. It's high time we looked at some of those. Man, they're sideways.



An Event is something you can buy in your Buy phase that isn't a card. You pay your $, you use up a Buy, and something happens. They don't take up Kingdom card slots; you shuffle them into your randomizer deck, but when you deal out cards, keep going until you have 10 Kingdom cards. I recommend stopping at two Events, but it's up to you.

Expedition is an example of a very simple Event. You get two more cards in your next hand. Maybe you'd rather have Silver; it's hard to say, man I don't even know you. Sometimes though I bet you'll want the cards. So, to be clear here: with Expedition in the game, you can, in your Buy phase, pay $3 and use up a Buy, to make that thing happen, the extra 2 cards for your next hand. If you had $6 and 2 Buys, you could go on two Expeditions, and have 4 extra cards in your next hand. Or buy a Silver and one Expedition. And so on. Expedition itself just sits on the table with the kingdom cards, reminding you that you can do this this game.

Trade, still somewhat simple, has you turning one or two cards into Silvers. It costs $5, but well, trashing two cards and getting two Silvers, maybe that's worth it. It only trashes from your hand, so you won't be doing much Trading turn one.

Finally we have Mission, a trickier one. You get an extra turn, but, this seems like some kind of joke, you can't buy cards on that turn. What good is it then? Well. There are things you can do. You can gain cards without buying them, such as with Remodels and Workshops. You can play Duration cards, setting them up for your next turn. You can get Reserve cards onto your mat. You can play Attacks, it can be that kind of Mission. You can trash cards; you can just be getting through your deck to get back to your good cards; you can turn that Hero into a Champion. And hey you can buy other Events, that's not buying a card. That may seem weird - what do we call that rectangular object then - but you didn't buy a card, you bought an Event, a thing that happened once and didn't come with a card, and so that doesn't trigger Swamp Hag and it's not cheaper due to Bridge and so on. Event cards give you something to buy; that thing is not a card. There will be a rulebook and it will say stuff just like this.
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Re: Previews #4 - Expedition, Trade, Mission
« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2015, 10:05:16 am »
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just wow

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Re: Previews #4 - Expedition, Trade, Mission
« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2015, 10:05:48 am »
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I love the borders on the Events.  First time seeing this version.  Looks so cool.
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Re: Previews #4 - Expedition, Trade, Mission
« Reply #3 on: April 02, 2015, 10:08:06 am »
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I'm really glad that everyone on the board has the same event cards for each game. Definitely a lot better than the things that were speculated around here
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Re: Previews #4 - Expedition, Trade, Mission
« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2015, 10:09:10 am »
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Can you buy cards from the Black Market while on a Mission?
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Re: Previews #4 - Expedition, Trade, Mission
« Reply #5 on: April 02, 2015, 10:10:16 am »
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Can you buy cards from the Black Market while on a Mission?

It seems you can not

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Re: Previews #4 - Expedition, Trade, Mission
« Reply #6 on: April 02, 2015, 10:10:30 am »
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Can you buy cards from the Black Market while on a Mission?

No.  You can't buy cards, even in the action phase.
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Re: Previews #4 - Expedition, Trade, Mission
« Reply #7 on: April 02, 2015, 10:11:34 am »
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I'm interested in the "cards" vs "events" distinction.  It's the first time we've seen something in Dominion not respond to "cards".
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Re: Previews #4 - Expedition, Trade, Mission
« Reply #8 on: April 02, 2015, 10:12:55 am »
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So you're saying there are 20 of these events? Wow.

Mission is a decent way to get around Haunted Woods if you have $4 to spare.
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Re: Previews #4 - Expedition, Trade, Mission
« Reply #9 on: April 02, 2015, 10:13:33 am »
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Can you buy cards from the Black Market while on a Mission?

No.  You can't buy cards, even in the action phase.

Yeah, I thought not. So prohibition overrules permission?
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Re: Previews #4 - Expedition, Trade, Mission
« Reply #10 on: April 02, 2015, 10:15:32 am »
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Can you buy cards from the Black Market while on a Mission?

No.  You can't buy cards, even in the action phase.

Yeah, I thought not. So prohibition overrules permission?

Always.
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Re: Previews #4 - Expedition, Trade, Mission
« Reply #11 on: April 02, 2015, 10:17:20 am »
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Can you buy cards from the Black Market while on a Mission?

No.  You can't buy cards, even in the action phase.

Yeah, I thought not. So prohibition overrules permission?

Always.
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Re: Previews #4 - Expedition, Trade, Mission
« Reply #12 on: April 02, 2015, 10:18:23 am »
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Can you buy cards from the Black Market while on a Mission?

No.  You can't buy cards, even in the action phase.

Yeah, I thought not. So prohibition overrules permission?

Always.

In MTG; there's an explicit rule stating this. In Dominion, for the most part it hasn't been a real conflict, because there hasn't been a lot of things saying that you "can't" do things. The only one I can think of is Contraband, and that's never been paired with something else that says "you may buy this card".
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Re: Previews #4 - Expedition, Trade, Mission
« Reply #13 on: April 02, 2015, 10:20:06 am »
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"Next hand" means what you draw during your Cleanup phase?
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Re: Previews #4 - Expedition, Trade, Mission
« Reply #14 on: April 02, 2015, 10:20:29 am »
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So, with mission, I could still activate another event on my second turn?
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Re: Previews #4 - Expedition, Trade, Mission
« Reply #15 on: April 02, 2015, 10:20:42 am »
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Well now I definitely don't know how to play this game. I'm glad it will have a rule book with some words about things.
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Re: Previews #4 - Expedition, Trade, Mission
« Reply #16 on: April 02, 2015, 10:21:00 am »
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So, with mission, I could still activate another event on my second turn?

Sure.  Knock yourself out.
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Re: Previews #4 - Expedition, Trade, Mission
« Reply #17 on: April 02, 2015, 10:22:43 am »
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Also, when you buy an Event card, does it physically move or anything?  Like a mat?  Or does it just stay there and you do what it says.  Is there only one of each Event?
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Re: Previews #4 - Expedition, Trade, Mission
« Reply #18 on: April 02, 2015, 10:23:54 am »
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Can you buy cards from the Black Market while on a Mission?

No.  You can't buy cards, even in the action phase.

Yeah, I thought not. So prohibition overrules permission?

Always.

Unless the prohibition is in the rulebook and the permission is on a card.

I find the wording of Expedition a bit weird. Is "your next hand" a well-defined term? Obviously we intuitively know what it means, but I'd expect it to say, "during your (next?) clean-up phase". Is there anything we know of that would cause the two to mean different things? As worded, it kind of sounds to me like you draw them immediately and then add them to your next hand when you draw it, which I assume is not what happens?
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Re: Previews #4 - Expedition, Trade, Mission
« Reply #19 on: April 02, 2015, 10:25:13 am »
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Also, when you buy an Event card, does it physically move or anything?  Like a mat?  Or does it just stay there and you do what it says.  Is there only one of each Event?

There's just one card for each Event, they just sit wherever you put them and don't move.
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Re: Previews #4 - Expedition, Trade, Mission
« Reply #20 on: April 02, 2015, 10:25:49 am »
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Also, when you buy an Event card, does it physically move or anything?  Like a mat?  Or does it just stay there and you do what it says.  Is there only one of each Event?

The "card" is just a reminder that the event is available that game. The event itself is an abstract thing you buy and do; there's an unlimited number of them.
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Re: Previews #4 - Expedition, Trade, Mission
« Reply #21 on: April 02, 2015, 10:31:22 am »
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Since 2 seems to be more of a suggested max than an actual rule, then there are 1,048,576 ways to have events in the game.
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Re: Previews #4 - Expedition, Trade, Mission
« Reply #22 on: April 02, 2015, 10:34:25 am »
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In MTG; there's an explicit rule stating this. In Dominion, for the most part it hasn't been a real conflict, because there hasn't been a lot of things saying that you "can't" do things. The only one I can think of is Contraband, and that's never been paired with something else that says "you may buy this card".

Contaband/Black Market is an example already.

I actually thought events might be like this, but never posted it. Seems cool, and a nice contrast to the long term stuff of reserves, Hireling, and Haunted Woods.
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Re: Previews #4 - Expedition, Trade, Mission
« Reply #23 on: April 02, 2015, 10:37:22 am »
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Since 2 seems to be more of a suggested max than an actual rule, then there are 1,048,576 ways to have events in the game.

Correction: there are 1,048,575 ways to have events in the game and 1 way to not have them.
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Re: Previews #4 - Expedition, Trade, Mission
« Reply #24 on: April 02, 2015, 10:38:21 am »
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If you do use a hard cap of 2 events, then with 235? kingdom cards and 20 events, the probabilities are:

0 Events - 42%
1 Event - 37%
2 Events - 21%
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