Print

Please login or register.
1 Hour 1 Day 1 Week 1 Month Forever
Login with username, password and session length

[GendoIkari]

So maybe this is a Secret History question... but why isn't Swamp Hag "while this is in play"? It seems like it would be more natural to read that way. And then it wouldn't need "until your next turn". Of course the difference is that this way it works when Throne Room / Procession / King's Court... was it worded that way just to make it stronger with those?

[Witherweaver]

Oh, but what was I saying? Oh yes. How Do These Cards Combo With Scout?

Amulet: It's got that nice green gem in the middle of it, so who knows? Maybe Scout will think it's a Victory card and pick it up anyway.

Swamp Hag: You didn't want to buy Scout anyway, so the fact that you would gain a Curse for doing so is moot.

Hireling: This gives you +1 Card, always. So this is drawing you cards you want. And Scout is there for you to draw you the other cards, the ones you don't want (combo).

No, think about it.. Amulet can trash.  It can trash your Coppers so that Scout can better find Victory cards to draw.  Very strong combo.

[lehmacdj]

So maybe this is a Secret History question... but why isn't Swamp Hag "while this is in play"? It seems like it would be more natural to read that way. And then it wouldn't need "until your next turn". Of course the difference is that this way it works when Throne Room / Procession / King's Court... was it worded that way just to make it stronger with those?

It has to be for the Moat interaction right?

[Witherweaver]

Amulet looks mediocre. I mean, there are board where you open Trade Route, and Amulet will work for that bit of thinning too. But it's not great trashing. +1$ is meh. The Silver thing could be okay with TfB, or maybe Feodum.

It trashes twice though, which makes it much closer to Steward than to Trade Route. As a trasher I prefer it over Forager, though would open Forager/Amulet over double Amulet.

Yeah, Amulet seems like a split up Steward.  Except you have Gain a Silver instead of Draw.

[GendoIkari]

So maybe this is a Secret History question... but why isn't Swamp Hag "while this is in play"? It seems like it would be more natural to read that way. And then it wouldn't need "until your next turn". Of course the difference is that this way it works when Throne Room / Procession / King's Court... was it worded that way just to make it stronger with those?

It has to be for the Moat interaction right?

Hmm, not sure. I would think you could still reveal a Moat when it was played and be protected from it even if it were "while in play"...

[GendoIkari]

Hireling - finally a permanent Duration, with the most obvious bonus. Best comparison might be Prince. This is considerably easier to set up, and also gives a tiny benefit the turn you play it. It's less strong of course, but I expect it to see more play than Prince. Awesome with 5/2 openings and Baker.

What tiny benefit? The only benefit I can think of is activating Conspirator / Peddler / HoP.

[lehmacdj]

So maybe this is a Secret History question... but why isn't Swamp Hag "while this is in play"? It seems like it would be more natural to read that way. And then it wouldn't need "until your next turn". Of course the difference is that this way it works when Throne Room / Procession / King's Court... was it worded that way just to make it stronger with those?

It has to be for the Moat interaction right?

Hmm, not sure. I would think you could still reveal a Moat when it was played and be protected from it even if it were "while in play"...

Moat is "when an opponent plays an attack card", and so you are blocking the attack that is being queued up on play.  Not sure it would work this way if it was while this is in play.  But maybe it would because you are "unaffected by the attack".  Either way it seems less confusing like this.

[ConMan]

I really hope I never have to deal with a game involving multiple chains of Processions ending in Hirelings.

[Sidsel]

The big question is, of course; is there a 'Kill the Hireling' card? (re. Munchkin) And does it gain you a level?

[Heisenberg]

Swamp Hag is not "while this is in play", so it works.

*Edit* lol, read that as "procession".

Play Swamp Hag/Possession then if you anything buy while possessing opponent you gain a curse.

[werothegreat]

Procession(-King's Court-)Hireling will lead to interesting tracking issues.

Since Hireling stays out forever, and Throne Room variants on Durations stay out as long as they do for tracking purposes, a Procession or Throne Room or King's Court on Hireling will also stay out forever.  But you'll draw more cards!

[Watno]

Well, if you Proc-KC-Hireling, only Hireling stays out, but draws 3 cards every turn.

[Heisenberg]

trade in a procession for an extra hireling and a KC

[faust]

Hireling - finally a permanent Duration, with the most obvious bonus. Best comparison might be Prince. This is considerably easier to set up, and also gives a tiny benefit the turn you play it. It's less strong of course, but I expect it to see more play than Prince. Awesome with 5/2 openings and Baker.

What tiny benefit? The only benefit I can think of is activating Conspirator / Peddler / HoP.

My reading skills are seriously affected today. I thought it read "Now and at the start of each turn", probably because that's how Durations are usually phrased.

[werothegreat]

Well, if you Proc-KC-Hireling, only Hireling stays out, but draws 3 cards every turn.

If you Procession-Procession-Hireling, nothing stays out.

"My imaginary friend draws me 2 cards."

[Asper]

Short thoughts:
Amulet: Was the only card i could recognize with that german advertisement. I like it. But like with Haunted Forest, i wonder why this name went on an Action card.
Swamp Hag: I tried a similar thing once, which gave +$2 and costed four, but was otherwise the same. So i'm not totally overwhelmed with the newness.
Hireling: I think the best comparison is Alchemist, not Prince. Alchemist ideally behaves like Hireling, except it is more prone to attacks and is conditional. Considering Alchemist allready costs "more" than $5, Hireling seems like a pretty big improvement for that small price difference. Ah well....

[HiveMindEmulator]

Amulet seems pretty weak to me compared to JoaT.

Many cards seem that way...

Well, if you Proc-KC-Hireling, only Hireling stays out, but draws 3 cards every turn.

If you Procession-Procession-Hireling, nothing stays out.

"My imaginary friend draws me 2 cards."

Yeah to me this is the weird thing about these cards. It's possible to have to remember the effect without a reminder out on the table. I'm not sure if "if/while this is in play" causes more trouble than this.

[AJD]

Hireling: I think the best comparison is Alchemist, not Prince. Alchemist ideally behaves like Hireling, except it is more prone to attacks and is conditional. Considering Alchemist allready costs "more" than $5, Hireling seems like a pretty big improvement for that small price difference. Ah well....

Hireling starts working later than Alchemist, though.

[Mic Qsenoch]

Some ways Hireling is weaker than it might initially appear:

- You need to use a terminal action to start the effect
- The effect is delayed by one turn after playing, most Lab variants help you immediately.
- You often play all your Labs every turn (or most turns) anyway
- This is a $6 card which is becomes inaccessible to TfB cards

[crlundy]

Well, Swamp Hag is pretty close to a Duration card I had created, so that feels cool. Except that I shot down my card for being too rude in multiplayer. Swamp Hag's apparently still "grim", but hopefully not as annoying as her cousin. Also, interesting to note that Swamp Hag has no benefit for you the turn you play it. Also, is that first line justified?

Amulet seems like almost like a Steward split over two turns. It seems, in general, weak to me. But like everything, it depends on the Kingdom; if this is the only trasher, you can bet I'm getting some. I have faith in the playtesting, though, so it's probably not all that weak. My reaction about the power level is reminding me of Loan.

Has no one compared Hireling to Caravan? Seems apt, imo. You get none of the on-play bonus, but in exchange the Duration part happens forever. Also, Hireling has my favorite art of the three cards here.

[GendoIkari]

Amulet seems pretty weak to me compared to JoaT.

Many cards seem that way.

They can't all be the best "do a little bit of everything" card ever.

[GendoIkari]

Well, if you Proc-KC-Hireling, only Hireling stays out, but draws 3 cards every turn.

If you Procession-Procession-Hireling, nothing stays out.

"My imaginary friend draws me 2 cards."

Yeah to me this is the weird thing about these cards. It's possible to have to remember the effect without a reminder out on the table. I'm not sure if "if/while this is in play" causes more trouble than this.

I'd imagine that most people playing this in real life would actually keep the Hireling and the second Procession in play, and just remember that it's technically in the trash, in case of Graverobber or Rogue (or Peddler / HoP).

[crlundy]

Well, if you Proc-KC-Hireling, only Hireling stays out, but draws 3 cards every turn.

If you Procession-Procession-Hireling, nothing stays out.

"My imaginary friend draws me 2 cards."

Yeah to me this is the weird thing about these cards. It's possible to have to remember the effect without a reminder out on the table. I'm not sure if "if/while this is in play" causes more trouble than this.

I would have expected Hireling to be "Trash this. Take a Hireling token. | In games using this, at the start of every turn, +1 Card per Hireling token you've taken." But components always make things complicated and this set already has them...

[Donald X.]

So maybe this is a Secret History question... but why isn't Swamp Hag "while this is in play"? It seems like it would be more natural to read that way. And then it wouldn't need "until your next turn". Of course the difference is that this way it works when Throne Room / Procession / King's Court... was it worded that way just to make it stronger with those?

I messed around with the wording to get to what it is. Originally it was "while in play." Moat may have been what got that changed, as well as general simplicity. Some phrasings had issues with Outpost.

In general I prefer letting Throne work with stuff if it's not a problem; if the best phrasing rules out Throne though, I don't mind so much. Here obv. we felt Throne was okay.

[popsofctown]

Amulet's my favorite, it's tricky to decide whether you want it and creates little choices even after you buy it.

Hireling's alright too.