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Re: Previews #1 - Lost City, Magpie, Hero
« Reply #200 on: March 31, 2015, 12:50:02 am »
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Can you post the logs of the games? Those results seem funny (and I'm guessing 4/96 is a typo).

It is not a typo - it's a ratio of percentage of games won by each side.  And you can run them yourself - it's a simulator - check out the simulation subforum for Chris' thread.
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Re: Previews #1 - Lost City, Magpie, Hero
« Reply #201 on: March 31, 2015, 12:51:23 am »
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I don't have access to a Windows computer.
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Re: Previews #1 - Lost City, Magpie, Hero
« Reply #202 on: March 31, 2015, 12:51:55 am »
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I don't have access to a Windows computer.

Ah.  That would make things problematic.
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Re: Previews #1 - Lost City, Magpie, Hero
« Reply #203 on: March 31, 2015, 01:25:12 am »
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Okay, I found this really funny

Gain Province if CoinValueOf(Deck) > 15;
Gain Duchy if CountOf(Province, Supply) <= 2;
Gain Laboratory;
Gain Gold;
Gain Magpie if CountOf(Magpie, Deck) < 1;
Play Magpie;
Play Laboratory;
Gain Woodcutter if CountOf(Woodcutter, Deck) < 1;

Don't wait to buy golds until you have all the labs. That's why this loses so horribly without woodcutter.
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Re: Previews #1 - Lost City, Magpie, Hero
« Reply #204 on: March 31, 2015, 05:10:23 am »
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Magpie: I don't remember ever not wanting to open with it. I don't think it's bad for dominion because after that it can still go down in many different ways, but I think it's just really really strong.
You mean, the way Fishing village is ?
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Re: Previews #1 - Lost City, Magpie, Hero
« Reply #205 on: March 31, 2015, 05:49:52 am »
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This is the first expansion coming out for me since I started playing, so, got any embarrassing stories about people overestimating cards?

People thought Jester would be bonkers?

that's the one I remember and I was totally part of that hype tain - first few games I played with Jester I bought it and played it and thought "WHY AM I NOT WINNING???"
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Re: Previews #1 - Lost City, Magpie, Hero
« Reply #206 on: March 31, 2015, 07:31:58 am »
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Yeah, gold > lab for sure. Then try it against smithy BM or something. And yeah, a +buy is essential. Also, should get a second magpie and should get silvers after woodcutter.
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Re: Previews #1 - Lost City, Magpie, Hero
« Reply #207 on: March 31, 2015, 08:21:46 am »
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Yeah, gold > lab for sure. Then try it against smithy BM or something. And yeah, a +buy is essential. Also, should get a second magpie and should get silvers after woodcutter.

I tried a couple different ways of getting a Gold after a couple Labs, but they all seemed to not do as well as just going for the pile.  :/  And it does gain Silvers after Woodcutters, it just got cut off in the quote.
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Re: Previews #1 - Lost City, Magpie, Hero
« Reply #208 on: March 31, 2015, 09:12:56 am »
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Looking forward to what I assume will be theory's preview later today.

I'm obviously out of the loop somewhere here.... has there been some discussion on the fact that a 4th card will be previewed each day, in addition to Donald's 3? I assume Donald gave permission for this or something? I saw WW's preview and was really confused. Can someone link to the original discussion on this? Thanks!
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Re: Previews #1 - Lost City, Magpie, Hero
« Reply #209 on: March 31, 2015, 09:16:20 am »
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Here's the new original discussion: There will be a fourth card previewed every day.

Re: complexity, complexity is what you make it.  I think new players can play with the Adventures cards just fine.  They might not see the same possibilities as the rest of us, but I wouldn't say the expansion is too complicated for new players.  Most people who play board games are smart; they can handle it.
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Re: Previews #1 - Lost City, Magpie, Hero
« Reply #210 on: March 31, 2015, 09:18:10 am »
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But wait, there's more! dominionstrategy.com [wait that's here] is also going to have a preview each day this week - single card previews, a different previewer each time. The set has 58 uh things; even at 4 a day, it will be below average for what % of it was previewed. No doubt these other previews will be crossposted here, just as these are crossposted there. I am mentioning them here anyway.

Theory sai yesterday what time the preview would be at, but Donald posted earlier, so I assumed we would get the extra preview from theory.
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Re: Previews #1 - Lost City, Magpie, Hero
« Reply #211 on: March 31, 2015, 12:07:09 pm »
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I'm obviously out of the loop somewhere here.... has there been some discussion on the fact that a 4th card will be previewed each day, in addition to Donald's 3? I assume Donald gave permission for this or something? I saw WW's preview and was really confused. Can someone link to the original discussion on this? Thanks!

This is the extent of the original discussion.

But wait, there's more! dominionstrategy.com [wait that's here] is also going to have a preview each day this week - single card previews, a different previewer each time. The set has 58 uh things; even at 4 a day, it will be below average for what % of it was previewed. No doubt these other previews will be crossposted here, just as these are crossposted there. I am mentioning them here anyway.
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Re: Previews #1 - Lost City, Magpie, Hero
« Reply #212 on: March 31, 2015, 03:20:46 pm »
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Yeah, gold > lab for sure. Then try it against smithy BM or something. And yeah, a +buy is essential. Also, should get a second magpie and should get silvers after woodcutter.
I tried a couple different ways of getting a Gold after a couple Labs, but they all seemed to not do as well as just going for the pile.  :/  And it does gain Silvers after Woodcutters, it just got cut off in the quote.
No, just always get gold on 6, lab on 5.
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Re: Previews #1 - Lost City, Magpie, Hero
« Reply #213 on: March 31, 2015, 03:28:10 pm »
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I think Magpie is a low-skill card, and I tend not to like those.

Woohoo! Adam has turned around! From now on we can share the love for Black Market and Knights.

There is no way that Black Market is a high-skill card, especially if it causes the best people in the world to play strategies that lose to Big Money.  :P
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Re: Previews #1 - Lost City, Magpie, Hero
« Reply #214 on: March 31, 2015, 03:32:22 pm »
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I think Magpie is a low-skill card, and I tend not to like those.

Woohoo! Adam has turned around! From now on we can share the love for Black Market and Knights.

There is no way that Black Market is a high-skill card, especially if it causes the best people in the world to play strategies that lose to Big Money.  :P

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Re: Previews #1 - Lost City, Magpie, Hero
« Reply #215 on: March 31, 2015, 03:51:47 pm »
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I think Magpie is a low-skill card, and I tend not to like those.

Woohoo! Adam has turned around! From now on we can share the love for Black Market and Knights.

There is no way that Black Market is a high-skill card, especially if it causes the best people in the world to play strategies that lose to Big Money.  :P

You actually believe that? I always assumed you were joking...

If not you're either way overestimating Big Money or underestimating how powerful exclusive access to the BM deck is, where you are guaranteed to get to and can thus plan for whatever cards you want.
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Re: Previews #1 - Lost City, Magpie, Hero
« Reply #216 on: March 31, 2015, 04:00:48 pm »
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I think Magpie is a low-skill card, and I tend not to like those.

Woohoo! Adam has turned around! From now on we can share the love for Black Market and Knights.

There is no way that Black Market is a high-skill card, especially if it causes the best people in the world to play strategies that lose to Big Money.  :P

You actually believe that? I always assumed you were joking...

If not you're either way overestimating Big Money or underestimating how powerful exclusive access to the BM deck is, where you are guaranteed to get to and can thus plan for whatever cards you want.

Is the contents of the Black Market deck public knowledge before the game starts?
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Re: Previews #1 - Lost City, Magpie, Hero
« Reply #217 on: March 31, 2015, 04:03:00 pm »
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I think Magpie is a low-skill card, and I tend not to like those.

Woohoo! Adam has turned around! From now on we can share the love for Black Market and Knights.

There is no way that Black Market is a high-skill card, especially if it causes the best people in the world to play strategies that lose to Big Money.  :P

You actually believe that? I always assumed you were joking...

If not you're either way overestimating Big Money or underestimating how powerful exclusive access to the BM deck is, where you are guaranteed to get to and can thus plan for whatever cards you want.

Is the contents of the Black Market deck public knowledge before the game starts?

Yes. In person, you can see the cards being picked; online, it's listed in the log.
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Re: Previews #1 - Lost City, Magpie, Hero
« Reply #218 on: March 31, 2015, 04:04:11 pm »
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I never noticed that before. 
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Re: Previews #1 - Lost City, Magpie, Hero
« Reply #219 on: March 31, 2015, 04:09:11 pm »
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You can also click the "View cards" button and click past the page of Kingdom cards. It can be difficult to scroll to the top of the log in Salvager.
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Re: Previews #1 - Lost City, Magpie, Hero
« Reply #220 on: March 31, 2015, 04:21:41 pm »
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Sorry for the terrible quote but I'm on my phone and I can't be bothered to fix it.  :P

Quote from: SheCantSayNo link=topic=12852.msg477216#msg477216

You actually believe that? I always assumed you were joking...

If not you're either way overestimating Big Money or underestimating how powerful exclusive access to the BM deck is, where you are guaranteed to get to and can thus plan for whatever cards you want.

There was a tonguey face, so there's that.

But every time I've said on a particular game that I think big money is better, I believed it and I still do. I'm not claiming that I'm very good at black market games but if I'm not confident I won't say anything.
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Re: Previews #1 - Lost City, Magpie, Hero
« Reply #221 on: March 31, 2015, 06:09:09 pm »
+3

Cross-posting!  This time to the correct preview thread.  ::)

And now for another Page out of the song book...

Where have all the Warriors gone
And where is all the Gold?
Where's that lady Traveller now
Her story still untold?
Isn't there a Madame Knight upon a Trusty Steed?
Late at night I toss and I turn and I dream of what I need

I need a Hero
I'm holding out for a Hero 'til the shuffle is right
She's gotta be strong
Well she's not very fast
But she'll gain me some Platinum might
I need a Hero
I'm holding out for a Hero in this Big Money fight
I'm totally sure
That I'm drawing her soon
And the gain will be larger than life

...

And she's travelling on and on and on and on

This is the Champion, my friends
And she'll keep on fighting 'til the end
She is the Champion!
She is the Champion!
No time for losers
'Cause she is the Champion of the world
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Re: Previews #1 - Lost City, Magpie, Hero
« Reply #222 on: March 31, 2015, 07:23:25 pm »
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Cross-posting!  This time to the correct preview thread.  ::)

And now for another Page out of the song book...

Where have all the Warriors gone
And where is all the Gold?
Where's that lady Traveller now
Her story still untold?
Isn't there a Madame Knight upon a Trusty Steed?
Late at night I toss and I turn and I dream of what I need

I need a Hero
I'm holding out for a Hero 'til the shuffle is right
She's gotta be strong
Well she's not very fast
But she'll gain me some Platinum might
I need a Hero
I'm holding out for a Hero in this Big Money fight
I'm totally sure
That I'm drawing her soon
And the gain will be larger than life

...

And she's travelling on and on and on and on

This is the Champion, my friends
And she'll keep on fighting 'til the end
She is the Champion!
She is the Champion!
No time for losers
'Cause she is the Champion of the world

I hate you.  :o
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Re: Previews #1 - Lost City, Magpie, Hero
« Reply #223 on: April 01, 2015, 07:19:39 pm »
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I got bored with my old avatar and loved the art of Magpie; my insincere apologies to those who don't like to see their world shaken up!
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Re: Previews #1 - Lost City, Magpie, Hero
« Reply #224 on: April 01, 2015, 07:44:05 pm »
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I got bored with my old avatar and loved the art of Magpie; my insincere apologies to those who don't like to see their world shaken up!

Does that mean this avatar is available?
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