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Re: Previews #1 - Lost City, Magpie, Hero
« Reply #50 on: March 30, 2015, 10:57:06 am »
+3

Yeah, I guess Goko will need to add a 3rd page.

Hey now, don't get too excited.  Adding a third page could take them months.

I assume that it just automatically uses more pages. You can test it now; a third page is already possible with Prizes, Spoils, Black Market, Young Witch, Madman, Mercenary, and Ruins.

EDIT: I tested it, and yes, three pages work fine now.
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Re: Previews #1 - Lost City, Magpie, Hero
« Reply #51 on: March 30, 2015, 10:57:54 am »
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And all that upgradable cards don't look cool with Swindler around

Why?

I mean, sure, you'd almost always prefer not to get a card swindled. But why would it be particularly bad for the Travellers?
We know from the preview that Page costs $2 and Hero costs $5. So the other three ones are probably $3, $4 and $6. I would assume these prices are supposed to roughly reflect not only the strength of their one-time effect, but also the potential of exchanging them. (Or aren't they, Donald?)

So sure, getting your Page swindled into an Estate early hurts a lot. But that's the same as with (almost) any other $2 card. Getting f. e. a Silver for a $3 Treasure Hunter doesn't sound particularly bad. And with the $5 Hero, it will depend on how early they are hit just as with most of the $5 cards - swindling them early hurts a lot, but later on Duchies are not so bad and most other $5 cards usually aren't, either.
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Re: Previews #1 - Lost City, Magpie, Hero
« Reply #52 on: March 30, 2015, 10:58:25 am »
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The "upgrade chain" (Traveller type) cards changed a whole lot from the Chicago meetup, wow.

No kiddin', dang.  I think I personally liked the old version better but that's entirely because I like overly complicated things.
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Re: Previews #1 - Lost City, Magpie, Hero
« Reply #53 on: March 30, 2015, 10:59:17 am »
+1

The "upgrade chain" (Traveller type) cards changed a whole lot from the Chicago meetup, wow.

No kiddin', dang.  I think I personally liked the old version better but that's entirely because I like overly complicated things.

I hope this will all be revealed in the Secret History.
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Re: Previews #1 - Lost City, Magpie, Hero
« Reply #54 on: March 30, 2015, 10:59:30 am »
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And all that upgradable cards don't look cool with Swindler around

Why?

I mean, sure, you'd almost always prefer not to get a card swindled. But why would it be particularly bad for the Travellers?
We know from the preview that Page costs $2 and Hero costs $5. So the other three ones are probably $3, $4 and $6. I would assume these prices are supposed to roughly reflect not only the strength of their one-time effect, but also the potential of exchanging them. (Or aren't they, Donald?)

So sure, getting your Page swindled into an Estate early hurts a lot. But that's the same as with (almost) any other $2 card. Getting f. e. a Silver for a $3 Treasure Hunter doesn't sound particularly bad. And with the $5 Hero, it will depend on how early they are hit just as with most of the $5 cards - swindling them early hurts a lot, but later on Duchies are not so bad and most other $5 cards usually aren't, either.

It's bad, man. Maybe you really want that Hero (it's a Platinum game or something). If your Warrior gets Swindled and you don't already have some other Travellers, you've been set back a few shuffles.
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Re: Previews #1 - Lost City, Magpie, Hero
« Reply #55 on: March 30, 2015, 10:59:50 am »
+1

I find it interesting that Magpie doesn't gain another Magpie if a Curse is revealed.

Query: is exchanging considered gaining?
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Re: Previews #1 - Lost City, Magpie, Hero
« Reply #56 on: March 30, 2015, 11:01:34 am »
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Is Magpie one of the 12-card piles?

Donald said there's only 10.

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Re: Previews #1 - Lost City, Magpie, Hero
« Reply #57 on: March 30, 2015, 11:01:59 am »
+4

Okay so since we refer to them as Urchin/Mercenary and Hermit/Madman, do we now have Page/Treasure Hunter/Warrior/Hero/Champion and Peasant/Soldier/Fugitive/Disciple/Teacher, or simply Page and Peasant? If the latter, will that cause us to refer to them simply as Urchin and Hermit?

I dunno about the other testers but I refer to them as the Page line and the Peasant line.
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Re: Previews #1 - Lost City, Magpie, Hero
« Reply #58 on: March 30, 2015, 11:02:58 am »
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The "upgrade chain" (Traveller type) cards changed a whole lot from the Chicago meetup, wow.

No kiddin', dang.  I think I personally liked the old version better but that's entirely because I like overly complicated things.

The new cards are way cooler. Hero is just the the simplest Traveller upgrade.
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Re: Previews #1 - Lost City, Magpie, Hero
« Reply #59 on: March 30, 2015, 11:06:22 am »
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Okay so since we refer to them as Urchin/Mercenary and Hermit/Madman, do we now have Page/Treasure Hunter/Warrior/Hero/Champion and Peasant/Soldier/Fugitive/Disciple/Teacher, or simply Page and Peasant? If the latter, will that cause us to refer to them simply as Urchin and Hermit?
Page Line and Peasant Line should describe the chain well enough. Now we know what the big arrows mentioned in the teasers are. I was worried they would be weird add-on effects like the city cards in Innovation.

Really excited for all these cards. Lost City should lead to new Dominion puzzles. You can do a lot of those Rats pileout and upgrade shenanigans with Magpie. Plus it's a vagrant that can  pick up those yellow curses. Speaking of yellow curses, Hero's effect is one I was hoping to see on a card for awhile, but not being able to buy it directly should help the effect be balanced.
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Re: Previews #1 - Lost City, Magpie, Hero
« Reply #60 on: March 30, 2015, 11:09:02 am »
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Query: is exchanging considered gaining?
Exchanging is not gaining.
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Re: Previews #1 - Lost City, Magpie, Hero
« Reply #61 on: March 30, 2015, 11:10:06 am »
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Would exchanging rule out scheme shenanigans like with hermit?
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Re: Previews #1 - Lost City, Magpie, Hero
« Reply #62 on: March 30, 2015, 11:11:30 am »
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The "upgrade chain" (Traveller type) cards changed a whole lot from the Chicago meetup, wow.

No kiddin', dang.  I think I personally liked the old version better but that's entirely because I like overly complicated things.

I hope this will all be revealed in the Secret History.
Yes, all will be revealed. The original version was way too slow, and also having the cards all be vanilla wasn't great. The new version is fast and the cards are way more interesting. Anyway, there is a secret history, that is where the secret history will be told.
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Re: Previews #1 - Lost City, Magpie, Hero
« Reply #63 on: March 30, 2015, 11:12:24 am »
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Why can't I preorder yet :'( TAKE MY MONEY DONALD
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Re: Previews #1 - Lost City, Magpie, Hero
« Reply #64 on: March 30, 2015, 11:12:30 am »
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Maybe you really want that Hero (it's a Platinum game or something).

That's true for most $5 cards, also that there are specific setups in which they are especially important. The Swindler can indeed easily be a very nasty card.

If your Warrior gets Swindled and you don't already have some other Travellers, you've been set back a few shuffles.

OK, that sounds convincing. So one could say that Swindlers can be especially bad against Travellers, because of the increased time it takes to exchange Travellers.
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Re: Previews #1 - Lost City, Magpie, Hero
« Reply #65 on: March 30, 2015, 11:13:00 am »
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O knowledgeable and wise ones; will Chancellor become halfway decent as a catalyst for the Traveller types? And what about Inn? Could I Watchtower the exchanged cards and get to the top of the chain in no time?

Edit: nope, exchanging is not gaining, so I guess Watchtower is out.
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Re: Previews #1 - Lost City, Magpie, Hero
« Reply #66 on: March 30, 2015, 11:13:17 am »
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I do like the flavor of Lost City - "We've discovered a Lost City!" your archaeologists cry, but before you can start making use of it, all the tourists have prowled around it already, breaking into tombs and making a mess of things.
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Re: Previews #1 - Lost City, Magpie, Hero
« Reply #67 on: March 30, 2015, 11:13:44 am »
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Would exchanging rule out scheme shenanigans like with hermit?
Exchanging requires actually having both the card leaving and the card coming in. If I resolve Scheme first and put Hero on top, I can't get a Champion with it that turn. If I exchange Hero for Champion first, the Champion is in my discard pile and the Hero is gone, Scheme does nothing.
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Re: Previews #1 - Lost City, Magpie, Hero
« Reply #68 on: March 30, 2015, 11:14:37 am »
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O knowledgeable and wise ones; will Chancellor become halfway decent as a catalyst for the Traveller types? And what about Inn? Could I Watchtower the exchanged cards and get to the top of the chain in no time?

Edit: nope, exchanging is not gaining, so I guess Watchtower is out.

You could Herald them at the end of your next turn, though.  Chancellor would work just fine.  :)
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Re: Previews #1 - Lost City, Magpie, Hero
« Reply #69 on: March 30, 2015, 11:14:42 am »
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I do like the flavor of Lost City - "We've discovered a Lost City!" your archaeologists cry, but before you can start making use of it, all the tourists have prowled around it already, breaking into tombs and making a mess of things.

I always thought of it like, it took so long for you to discover the Lost City that your rivals had more time to get things done.
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Re: Previews #1 - Lost City, Magpie, Hero
« Reply #70 on: March 30, 2015, 11:17:18 am »
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A non-supply card that doesn't cost 0. Inconceivable!

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Re: Previews #1 - Lost City, Magpie, Hero
« Reply #71 on: March 30, 2015, 11:18:07 am »
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Why can't I preorder yet :'( TAKE MY MONEY DONALD

A bunch of random sites I've never heard of on Google let you pre-order and seem to promise shipping on launch day. I just ordered one a few minutes ago. Nothing on Amazon though, or any sites promising *delivery* launch day.

These cards are so cool. If this is the first, most boring preview, I'm really excited.
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Re: Previews #1 - Lost City, Magpie, Hero
« Reply #72 on: March 30, 2015, 11:19:23 am »
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What I like about Adventures is that it has all of the wackiness of Dark Ages, but without the "TRASH EVERYTHING" vibe.
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Re: Previews #1 - Lost City, Magpie, Hero
« Reply #73 on: March 30, 2015, 11:23:16 am »
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Special bonus: when having discussions, no longer do we have to refer to [+2 Cards; +2 Actions] as once-upgraded Cities or level-two Cities or what have you. Lost City to the rescue!
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Re: Previews #1 - Lost City, Magpie, Hero
« Reply #74 on: March 30, 2015, 11:23:21 am »
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Why can't I preorder yet :'( TAKE MY MONEY DONALD

You can also pre-order from your local game shop, if you happen to have one of those things.  :)
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