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Re: The Haiku Card Challenge
« Reply #25 on: March 27, 2015, 01:32:51 am »
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It's not even ha-i-ku in Japanese, if the sound clip on Wikipedia is correct.  It's definitely not 3 syllables in English.

So, spelled phonetically, it's three "syllables" (はいく), but pronouced in Japanese, it's definitely "HAI" and "KU".  If you were to say "HA" then "I" then "KU" I don't think any Japanese speaker would understand that you meant the poetry, and would most likely think you were talking about taking a hike (ハイク).

That said, I don't know the rules for using the word haiku in a haiku.

Okay, looked it up.

The rule for haiku in Japanese is to count the on (音) in each line.  Counting on is just counting the phonetic spelling of all the characters, so in the case of haiku (俳句), you'd write it out as はいく and it would count as three on.

So, in that sense, sudgy was "correct."

HOWEVER -- given Witherweaver's haiku was written in English, I think you have to go with the syllable count as pronounced, and keep it at two.
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Re: The Haiku Card Challenge
« Reply #26 on: March 27, 2015, 02:43:58 am »
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Surprising that no one has linked to this yet. Last time someone tried to start a thread like this, it was closed immediately with a link to the original.
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Re: The Haiku Card Challenge
« Reply #27 on: March 27, 2015, 05:50:46 am »
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Re: The Haiku Card Challenge
« Reply #28 on: March 27, 2015, 10:10:31 am »
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Surprising that no one has linked to this yet. Last time someone tried to start a thread like this, it was closed immediately with a link to the original.

I didn't know about that thread.  Oh well, this is like the second volume of the Dominion Poetry Series.
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Re: The Haiku Card Challenge
« Reply #29 on: March 27, 2015, 10:18:38 am »
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My thought was the standard (in American schools) 7-5-7 5-7-5 syllable structure.
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Re: The Haiku Card Challenge
« Reply #30 on: March 27, 2015, 10:20:20 am »
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My thought was the standard (in American schools) 7-5-7 syllable structure.
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Re: The Haiku Card Challenge
« Reply #31 on: March 27, 2015, 10:27:47 am »
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My thought was the standard (in American schools) 7-5-7 syllable structure.
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Re: The Haiku Card Challenge
« Reply #32 on: March 27, 2015, 10:31:57 am »
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Re: The Haiku Card Challenge
« Reply #33 on: March 27, 2015, 12:45:15 pm »
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Re: The Haiku Card Challenge
« Reply #34 on: March 27, 2015, 06:19:02 pm »
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Re: The Haiku Card Challenge
« Reply #35 on: March 27, 2015, 06:34:54 pm »
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Man, eHalcyon. Not everyone in this forums is a native english speaker and thats fine.

I am proud to speak five languages more the less fluently, but only in my mother language i have something like a sensible feeling for the nuances of the language. I learned a lot of different poems and metres in school, but in my cultural circle haiku is none of em. I assume in Burning Skull`s neither. So, a little bit more patience would be fine.
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Re: The Haiku Card Challenge
« Reply #36 on: March 27, 2015, 06:41:39 pm »
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Man, eHalcyon. Not everyone in this forums is a native english speaker and thats fine.

I am proud to speak five languages more the less fluently, but only in my mother language i have something like a sensible feeling for the nuances of the language. I learned a lot of different poems and metres in school, but in my cultural circle haiku is none of em. I assume in Burning Skull`s neither. So, a little bit more patience would be fine.

I don't think I've been harsh in pointing it out.  In the case of Burning Skull's three, none of them were even close, so I literally wasn't sure if he was serious.  If you don't know what a haiku is, it's easy to find out online.  Is counting syllables really so difficult for non-native English speakers?

For the record, English is technically not my first language either (though it is my most fluent).
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Re: The Haiku Card Challenge
« Reply #37 on: March 27, 2015, 06:51:56 pm »
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Man, eHalcyon. Not everyone in this forums is a native english speaker and thats fine.

I am proud to speak five languages more the less fluently, but only in my mother language i have something like a sensible feeling for the nuances of the language. I learned a lot of different poems and metres in school, but in my cultural circle haiku is none of em. I assume in Burning Skull`s neither. So, a little bit more patience would be fine.

I don't think I've been harsh in pointing it out.  In the case of Burning Skull's three, none of them were even close, so I literally wasn't sure if he was serious.  If you don't know what a haiku is, it's easy to find out online.  Is counting syllables really so difficult for non-native English speakers?

For the record, English is technically not my first language either (though it is my most fluent).

For me I can say, yes you are right, i could have informed myself what a haiku exactely is. I just was lazy and assumed its a short poem with three lines.  I dont think either you were harsh but neither inviting. I like the way, Witherweaver did it. He explained haiku after recognizing that not everyone get it right.
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Re: The Haiku Card Challenge
« Reply #38 on: March 27, 2015, 07:18:20 pm »
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The 5-7-5 definition isn't strict or universal, even in American haikus.
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Re: The Haiku Card Challenge
« Reply #39 on: March 27, 2015, 07:41:51 pm »
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For me I can say, yes you are right, i could have informed myself what a haiku exactely is. I just was lazy and assumed its a short poem with three lines.  I dont think either you were harsh but neither inviting. I like the way, Witherweaver did it. He explained haiku after recognizing that not everyone get it right.

Fair enough. :P

@Witherweaver, I know that modern Japanese haiku has moved away from counting, but the 5-7-5 structure is still the traditional format that people commonly think of when talking about haiku.
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Re: The Haiku Card Challenge
« Reply #40 on: March 27, 2015, 07:50:59 pm »
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Also, the 5-7-5 in Japanese isn't really syllables. It's letters, though each letter in Japanese is generally an entire syllable. But, for example, Gendo, (more properly spelled Gendou), would be 3 syllables, not 2.
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Re: The Haiku Card Challenge
« Reply #41 on: March 27, 2015, 08:01:50 pm »
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Right, but if you look up the definition it's, like, it may or may not have these properties with or without strictness...
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Re: The Haiku Card Challenge
« Reply #42 on: March 27, 2015, 08:48:38 pm »
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Here are some Haikus about cards in use. See if you can guess the card and situation described.

Wishing Well
Atop wooden deck
You spy me, peer inside, and
Wish for more wishes.

Tournament
O' landed knight come
Claim thyne prize! To puzzled looks
You choose horse, not gold.

Torturer
Once fear'd tormentor,
Thy rival mutters curses.
Alas, they've run out.

Shanty Town
Night finds you alone,
In a dismal town. Fearful,
You call for more friends.

Harem
Poor choices brought you,
Still, you wonder, why pay to
Be objectified?

Lighthouse
On the horizon,
Hope shines bright. To spectral ship
You say, "Not today!"

Transmute
Alchemists dream of
Making gold from lesser coin,
Instead, get more junk.
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Re: The Haiku Card Challenge
« Reply #43 on: March 27, 2015, 11:16:20 pm »
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Also, the 5-7-5 in Japanese isn't really syllables. It's letters, though each letter in Japanese is generally an entire syllable. But, for example, Gendo, (more properly spelled Gendou), would be 3 syllables, not 2.

But Gendou would be げんどう, which is four letters...

Also, for whoever wants to look it up, does something like ちゃ count as one or two?  Because it's one syllable with two letters.
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Re: The Haiku Card Challenge
« Reply #44 on: March 28, 2015, 02:22:30 am »
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Also, the 5-7-5 in Japanese isn't really syllables. It's letters, though each letter in Japanese is generally an entire syllable.

It's 5-7-5 moras, is what it is.
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Re: The Haiku Card Challenge
« Reply #45 on: March 28, 2015, 05:13:15 am »
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Re: The Haiku Card Challenge
« Reply #46 on: March 28, 2015, 08:54:39 am »
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Also, the 5-7-5 in Japanese isn't really syllables. It's letters, though each letter in Japanese is generally an entire syllable. But, for example, Gendo, (more properly spelled Gendou), would be 3 syllables, not 2.

But Gendou would be げんどう, which is four letters...

Also, for whoever wants to look it up, does something like ちゃ count as one or two?  Because it's one syllable with two letters.

Counts as one.
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Re: The Haiku Card Challenge
« Reply #47 on: March 28, 2015, 10:52:34 am »
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Re: The Haiku Card Challenge
« Reply #48 on: March 29, 2015, 01:28:04 am »
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Re: The Haiku Card Challenge
« Reply #49 on: March 29, 2015, 02:09:23 am »
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It's unstoppable!

Moat

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Mine

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