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[Burning Skull]

If village moat is your only draw, in a vacuum, isn't it better to just go BM?

Depends on the board.

[Seprix]

If village moat is your only draw, in a vacuum, isn't it better to just go BM?

Depends on the board.

In a vacuum. Like, BM vs Village Moat as draw. No other cards.

[Awaclus]

If village moat is your only draw, in a vacuum, isn't it better to just go BM?

Depends on the board.

In a vacuum. Like, BM vs Village Moat as draw. No other cards.

That's not how you should think of engines. The thing that you build your engine around is your payload, not your engine components — Village and Moat are just a means to an end, and it's pointless to debate how strong the means is without knowing how strong the end is. Sure, if your payload is basic Treasures like in that "vacuum" of yours, then it's probably worse than Moat/big money, but in a kingdom with other cards, the questions you should be asking is not "how good this is", but "does this work" and "do I have enough time to make it work". The answer to the first question is yes, and the answer to the second depends on how fast the other strategies are, how strong your payload is, and how well you can get rid of your junk cards and deal with Attacks.

[Asper]

If village moat is your only draw, in a vacuum, isn't it better to just go BM?

Depends on the board.

In a vacuum. Like, BM vs Village Moat as draw. No other cards.

The other cards are Scout, Ruined Scout, Masterscout, Pirate Scout, Philosopher's Scout, Secret Scout, King's Scout and Scout of Plenty.

[-Stef-]

If village moat is your only draw, in a vacuum, isn't it better to just go BM?

Depends on the board.

In a vacuum. Like, BM vs Village Moat as draw. No other cards.

yes Village-Moat clearly loses to Moat-BM.
also Village-Smithy loses to Smithy-BM.
even Village-Hunting Grounds loses to Hunting Grounds-BM.

If you add Woodcutter, the last one is the only one that changes. But most kingdoms provide more then just a woodcutter.

[werothegreat]

If village moat is your only draw, in a vacuum, isn't it better to just go BM?

Depends on the board.

In a vacuum. Like, BM vs Village Moat as draw. No other cards.

The other cards are Scout, Ruined Scout, Masterscout, Pirate Scout, Philosopher's Scout, Secret Scout, King's Scout and Scout of Plenty.

Masterscout: You may overpay for this.  For each $1 you overpay, gain a Scout.

[Seprix]

Yeah, I suppose it's an exercise in futility to compare village draw with BM.

[AdamH]

yes Village-Moat clearly loses to Moat-BM.
also Village-Smithy loses to Smithy-BM.
even Village-Hunting Grounds loses to Hunting Grounds-BM.

If you add Woodcutter, the last one is the only one that changes. But most kingdoms provide more then just a woodcutter.

I feel like poking a bee hive right now.

Is this supported by simulation or some other kind of evidence, or is this just based on one of the best Dominion guts in the world?

[WanderingWinder]

yes Village-Moat clearly loses to Moat-BM.
also Village-Smithy loses to Smithy-BM.
even Village-Hunting Grounds loses to Hunting Grounds-BM.

If you add Woodcutter, the last one is the only one that changes. But most kingdoms provide more then just a woodcutter.

I feel like poking a bee hive right now.

Is this supported by simulation or some other kind of evidence, or is this just based on one of the best Dominion guts in the world?

Well, I know the first two are indeed trivially supported by simulation, from ages and ages ago. I assume that Hunting Grounds case is also, uh, not close. The only thing I'm not easily sure of is that Hunting Grounds + Village + Woodcutter beats HG/BM. I would expect that's reasonably close, but I can easily believe Stef when he makes his claim.

Most kingdoms giving more than woodcutter is something I would assume he hasn't actually got 'hard evidence' for, but on the other hand, it's almost trivially correct, don't you think?

[LastFootnote]

If village moat is your only draw, in a vacuum, isn't it better to just go BM?

In a vacuum, sure. I feel it's worth mentioning that actually building a Village/Moat engine makes you highly resistant to Attacks, which can sometimes be worth it.