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Re: Blackrock Mountain Discussion
« Reply #100 on: March 30, 2015, 01:24:52 pm »
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Stream revealing the rest of the cards is live:
http://www.twitch.tv/playhearthstone
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Re: Blackrock Mountain Discussion
« Reply #101 on: March 30, 2015, 01:26:37 pm »
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Wow.
Emperor Thaurassan - 6 mana 5/5
At the end of your turn reduce the cost of cards in your hand by 1. That's pretty cool.
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Re: Blackrock Mountain Discussion
« Reply #102 on: March 30, 2015, 01:55:59 pm »
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Hearthpwn is consolidating the new cards as they appear on twitch, it seems.

Emperor Thaurassan is not a dragon, but he's so powerful it seems like he will autoinclude used in everything Control, and will seep down to a certain level of midrange.  He's probably often a 0 mana 5/5, after your rebates, which would normally be just ok if you had a restriction to playing it late and getting the mana rebate slowly.  But what will make him good is the ability to combo cards together, like spell damage stacking and then using spell damage AoE's or being able to scream "Closed Beta Shit" and cast Sylvanas-Brawl Turn 9.

The 6/8 for 8 "Copy your draws" dragon seems good enough in a deck that has double Loot Hoarder.  Not sure about it yet.  Pretty slow and all.  It's not as good as Kel Thuz but it activates your "Dragons matters" cards.
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Re: Blackrock Mountain Discussion
« Reply #103 on: March 30, 2015, 01:56:23 pm »
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WTF
Legendary. Majordomo Executus. 9 mana 9/7. Deathrattle. When this minion dies, replace your hero with Ragnaros the Firelord.

Ragnaris hero has 8hp, and hero power deal 8 damage to a random enemy, costing 2.
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Re: Blackrock Mountain Discussion
« Reply #104 on: March 30, 2015, 02:00:42 pm »
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That sounds silly but terrible.
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Re: Blackrock Mountain Discussion
« Reply #105 on: March 30, 2015, 02:01:05 pm »
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Seems like the weaker classes got stronger class cards
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Re: Blackrock Mountain Discussion
« Reply #106 on: March 30, 2015, 02:10:20 pm »
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Druid of the Flame seems pretty strong for taunt druid, but in other types of druid seems weaker than Shade.

Actually it might just be nuts in all kinds of druid, not sure.
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Re: Blackrock Mountain Discussion
« Reply #107 on: March 30, 2015, 02:31:58 pm »
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Re: Blackrock Mountain Discussion
« Reply #108 on: March 30, 2015, 02:42:51 pm »
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Whirthun said that using Gang-up on an Si:7 agent was a really good move.

I really hope that guy isn't allowed near card development.

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Re: Blackrock Mountain Discussion
« Reply #109 on: March 30, 2015, 02:56:47 pm »
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I am so adding that Paladin draw card to my Bolvar deck.
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Re: Blackrock Mountain Discussion
« Reply #110 on: March 30, 2015, 03:05:14 pm »
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I think the Paladin draw spell goes in every Paladin deck.
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Re: Blackrock Mountain Discussion
« Reply #111 on: March 30, 2015, 03:24:08 pm »
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I think the Paladin draw spell goes in every Paladin deck.
Probably. It's way less situational than Divine Favor and Lay On Hands. On trading turns, it's cheaper than Cult Master too.
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Re: Blackrock Mountain Discussion
« Reply #112 on: March 30, 2015, 03:46:20 pm »
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The priest cards are amazing. Awesome 1 drop, and the2mana spell I just nuts if you run enough minions that are larger than 3 mana
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Re: Blackrock Mountain Discussion
« Reply #113 on: March 30, 2015, 04:05:10 pm »
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So, it's looking to be a good thing that none all of these crazy cards can be earned through adventures rather than praying to open them in packs or spending huge amounts of dust.
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Re: Blackrock Mountain Discussion
« Reply #114 on: March 30, 2015, 04:19:50 pm »
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Dragon Consort maybe the best dragon-related card in this expansion? 5 mana for a 5/5 body is nearly on-curve stats, plus you innervate your next dragon.

Demonwrath seems nice in Handlock styles. Hellfire is sometimes run as 2-of, and the self-damage is a big downside against aggro. Demonwrath is cheaper in exchange for doing less damage (but still as much as Consecration), and doesn't hurt your hero. I'd expect lists running 2 Hellfires to switch to 1 Hellfire 1 Demonwrath.
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Re: Blackrock Mountain Discussion
« Reply #115 on: March 30, 2015, 04:59:32 pm »
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I think Gang Up looks really interesting, but I can't for the life of me think of how to use it. Anyone else got ideas?

It's just kindof an interesting idea, but it doesn't seem great.
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Re: Blackrock Mountain Discussion
« Reply #116 on: March 30, 2015, 05:01:44 pm »
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I think Dragon Consort is a little bit weaker than it looks, because there's only one 8-drop Dragon, so you can't drop it on turn 5 (i.e. on curve) and immediately get a huge lead with Ysera, Alexstrasza, Onyxia et al. It's still kinda crazy though.
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Re: Blackrock Mountain Discussion
« Reply #117 on: March 30, 2015, 05:08:48 pm »
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Dragon Consort maybe the best dragon-related card in this expansion? 5 mana for a 5/5 body is nearly on-curve stats, plus you innervate your next dragon.

Demonwrath seems nice in Handlock styles. Hellfire is sometimes run as 2-of, and the self-damage is a big downside against aggro. Demonwrath is cheaper in exchange for doing less damage (but still as much as Consecration), and doesn't hurt your hero. I'd expect lists running 2 Hellfires to switch to 1 Hellfire 1 Demonwrath.
Dragon Consort seems like the best dragon-related card the way Mind Blast is the best face-rush related card and Screwjank Clanker is the best Mech-related card.  In that I don't think it will matter because that class doesn't seem as drawn to that theme as others.  Paladin seems like the last class to go for Dragons, although maybe Dragons are so good everyone goes for Dragons, so the last class is mixed in with them as much as everyone else.  I don't think Dragon Consort forces Paladin to go dragons the way Goblin Blastmage forces Mage to go Mechs (arguably), it's just a 3 mana 5/5 overall which is just pretty nice and rather swell, not gamebreaking I don't think.  It's not Equality friendly either.


@Jorbles: How good Gang Up is, is equal to how good Gang Up targeting Coldlight Oracle turns out to be.
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Re: Blackrock Mountain Discussion
« Reply #118 on: March 30, 2015, 05:11:12 pm »
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On the draw, clutching Coin for a turn 6 offensive Alex seems rather strong, ycz.  That's pretty on-curve to me.
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Re: Blackrock Mountain Discussion
« Reply #119 on: March 30, 2015, 05:13:09 pm »
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I'm curious if mech Mage will still be a thing. Or will mechs and their synergy disappear along with whatever naxx brought.
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Re: Blackrock Mountain Discussion
« Reply #120 on: March 30, 2015, 05:20:37 pm »
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On the draw, clutching Coin for a turn 6 offensive Alex seems rather strong, ycz.  That's pretty on-curve to me.
Eh, would it though? Saving Coin for turn 6 is like deliberately saving your Baker coin token so you can afford a Platinum on turn 6, or something. Seems like a big tempo loss for a play you probably can't plan for that far in advance. I guess we'll see.
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Re: Blackrock Mountain Discussion
« Reply #121 on: March 30, 2015, 05:21:37 pm »
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@Jorbles: How good Gang Up is, is equal to how good Gang Up targeting Coldlight Oracle turns out to be.

I hadn't thought about Milling possibilities. Mill Rogue could be a lot stronger with this.
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Re: Blackrock Mountain Discussion
« Reply #122 on: March 30, 2015, 06:15:25 pm »
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On the draw, clutching Coin for a turn 6 offensive Alex seems rather strong, ycz.  That's pretty on-curve to me.
Eh, would it though? Saving Coin for turn 6 is like deliberately saving your Baker coin token so you can afford a Platinum on turn 6, or something. Seems like a big tempo loss for a play you probably can't plan for that far in advance. I guess we'll see.
Control Paladins can clutch coin with impunity, aggression against a Control Paladin is tempered by the constant threat of Pyroquality so the poundings are slow enough that you can clutch coin and survive fine, even if pyroquality is a bluff. 

In general I feel like the more I play Hearthstone the more I want to hoard coin playing control.  Exhausting your coin opens up your fast play to a response, I like to wait to use the coin until I can do something to which there is no good response.  Extremely early Alexstraza is one of those things.

I coined Alex out a heck of a lot to win my university Hearthstone tournament.
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Re: Blackrock Mountain Discussion
« Reply #123 on: March 30, 2015, 06:31:29 pm »
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I didn't even notice this until I saw a picture of all the cards, but there's absolutely no 2-drops released for Blackrock. (There's 2 1-drops). The 2 cost spells can take away board presence, but the only one that can build up your board presence (Resurrect) is basically useless turn 2.
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Re: Blackrock Mountain Discussion
« Reply #124 on: March 30, 2015, 06:46:06 pm »
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Paladin seems like the last class to go for Dragons, although maybe Dragons are so good everyone goes for Dragons, so the last class is mixed in with them as much as everyone else.
Dunno why you consider Paladin the least likely class to go for Dragons. Surely Hunter is obviously worse for them? Shaman and Rogue seem pretty awkward too.

While Paladin might not be the most natural class for dragons, Midrange Paladin is among the best decks now, and Dragon Consort is itself a midrange card that brings the 9 cost dragons into the upper end of midrange mana costs (7 mana). It might still be worse than the current midrange Paladin, true. The main issue I see is that there is so much competition for the 5 mana slot: Blackwing Corruptor and Dragon Consort want to go in, but Sludge Belcher and Quartermaster already live there, plus tech like Harrison Jones and Antique Healbot.
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