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Re: Bizarre Bot Strategies II
« Reply #50 on: November 23, 2015, 02:55:59 am »
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Bots don't seem to evaluate end game conditions very well. I played a series of bot games last night. In one it missed an opportunity to win. In another they ended the game to lose in a stupid way.

The potential win missed by the bot was with one empty pile and one Ill-Gotten Gains and two Curses remaining in a three player game. The bot didn't spot that if it bought the last IGG it would end the game.

In the stupid loss there were two empty piles and 1 Duchy remaining. The bot Processioned a Hunting Grounds and took the last Duchy when it safely could have taken 3 Estates instead.
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Re: Bizarre Bot Strategies II
« Reply #51 on: November 23, 2015, 12:41:00 pm »
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Bots don't seem to evaluate end game conditions very well.

To be fair, most players don't either.  ;)
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Re: Bizarre Bot Strategies II
« Reply #52 on: November 29, 2015, 07:29:56 pm »
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Cultist? Sounds icky, I don't want one in my village.

---------- Villager Bot: turn 7 ----------
Villager Bot - plays Jester
singletee - reveals Cultist
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singletee - gains Cultist
Villager Bot - plays 3 Copper
Villager Bot - buys Oasis
Villager Bot - gains Oasis
Villager Bot - draws Estate, Silver, Estate, Silver, Copper

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Re: Bizarre Bot Strategies II
« Reply #53 on: November 30, 2015, 07:42:23 pm »
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The bots make a lot of single decisions and very rarely put decisions together to form logic. For these examples, the bots will have current information about the draw deck when 'guessing' for a wishing well but will not use 'know' what card it will play after a wishing well or any difference it might make. A bot will make a single decision on how to draw cards with a mystic and will not have any 'plan' for what happens to the deck afterwards.

The bots can go surprisingly far on limited, restricted, decision making.

I agree about the bots making a series of single decisions without considering what else it might want to do and how the decisions impact on each other. Earlier on today the bot played spy and left a curse on top of my deck (the curse pile was empty). It then played swindler and turned the curse into a copper.
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Re: Bizarre Bot Strategies II
« Reply #54 on: January 25, 2016, 01:13:18 pm »
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Look at board with

Duchess, Herbalist, Pawn, Scout, Sea Hag, Smithy, Young Witch, Cultist, Royal Seal, Trading Post, Hoard, Copper, Silver, Gold, Estate, Duchy, Province, Curse, Ruins

what would be your strategy? Obviously herbalist-scout engine.

https://dominion-game-logs.s3.amazonaws.com/game_logs/20160125/log.0.1453745406506.txt
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Re: Bizarre Bot Strategies II
« Reply #55 on: January 25, 2016, 01:14:04 pm »
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Look at board with

Duchess, Herbalist, Pawn, Scout, Sea Hag, Smithy, Young Witch, Cultist, Royal Seal, Trading Post, Hoard, Copper, Silver, Gold, Estate, Duchy, Province, Curse, Ruins

what would be your strategy? Obviously herbalist-scout engine.

https://dominion-game-logs.s3.amazonaws.com/game_logs/20160125/log.0.1453745406506.txt
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Re: Bizarre Bot Strategies II
« Reply #56 on: January 25, 2016, 01:41:12 pm »
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Look at board with

Duchess, Herbalist, Pawn, Scout, Sea Hag, Smithy, Young Witch, Cultist, Royal Seal, Trading Post, Hoard, Copper, Silver, Gold, Estate, Duchy, Province, Curse, Ruins

what would be your strategy? Obviously herbalist-scout engine.

https://dominion-game-logs.s3.amazonaws.com/game_logs/20160125/log.0.1453745406506.txt

I don't think it would have happened if Herbalist wasn't Bane here. They like Bane cards a lot!
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Re: Bizarre Bot Strategies II
« Reply #57 on: February 08, 2016, 01:12:37 pm »
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I dusted off my theme boards yesterday and played Expensive Taste with Banker Bot. And... um... I don't know which game is weirder.

The game where it possessed me and gave me a win through Goons points or the game where its only action cards were 2 Golems and 2 Princes?
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Re: Bizarre Bot Strategies II
« Reply #58 on: February 08, 2016, 02:05:50 pm »
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I dusted off my theme boards yesterday and played Expensive Taste with Banker Bot. And... um... I don't know which game is weirder.

The game where it possessed me and gave me a win through Goons points or the game where its only action cards were 2 Golems and 2 Princes?

In the last 2 turns, how did you get Possessed twice? Am I missing it?
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Re: Bizarre Bot Strategies II
« Reply #59 on: February 08, 2016, 02:25:04 pm »
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I dusted off my theme boards yesterday and played Expensive Taste with Banker Bot. And... um... I don't know which game is weirder.

The game where it possessed me and gave me a win through Goons points or the game where its only action cards were 2 Golems and 2 Princes?

In the last 2 turns, how did you get Possessed twice? Am I missing it?

You are missing it. The Banker Bot played a Possession with a Golem while it was being possessed by Ela.
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Re: Bizarre Bot Strategies II
« Reply #60 on: February 08, 2016, 05:38:17 pm »
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I dusted off my theme boards yesterday and played Expensive Taste with Banker Bot. And... um... I don't know which game is weirder.

The game where it possessed me and gave me a win through Goons points or the game where its only action cards were 2 Golems and 2 Princes?

In the last 2 turns, how did you get Possessed twice? Am I missing it?

You are missing it. The Banker Bot played a Possession with a Golem while it was being possessed by Ela.

Gotcha, so Ela you Possessed yourself :)

Either way, the coding of Possession and VP token gainers like Goons seems to be out of the scope of the bots. Good stuff.
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Re: Bizarre Bot Strategies II
« Reply #61 on: February 26, 2016, 07:20:08 pm »
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This is why we like bots

---------- Banker Bot: turn 14 ----------
Banker Bot - plays Pillage
Banker Bot - trashes Pillage
DG - reveals Gold, Bishop, Mystic, Province, Silver
DG - discards Gold

---------- DG: turn 14 ----------
DG - plays Mystic
DG - names Gold
DG - shuffles deck
DG - reveals Gold
DG - places Gold in hand
DG - plays Bishop
DG - trashes Province
DG - receives 4 victory point chips
DG - plays 1 Silver, 1 Gold
DG - buys Province
DG - shuffles deck
DG - draws Province, Bishop, Mystic, Gold, Silver

if at first you don't succeed, try, try, again 
 
---------- Banker Bot: turn 16 ----------

Banker Bot - plays Pillage
Banker Bot - trashes Pillage
DG - reveals Silver, Bishop, Gold, Province, Mystic
DG - discards Gold

---------- Banker Bot: turn 18 ----------
Banker Bot - plays Pillage
Banker Bot - trashes Pillage
DG - reveals Bishop, Silver, Province, Mystic, Gold
DG - discards Gold
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Re: Bizarre Bot Strategies II
« Reply #62 on: May 03, 2016, 08:04:00 pm »
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As some might guess, Double Tactician/Artificer is a thing. However, I missed the more powerful combo on the board that the bot nearly got me with...

The Armory/Shanty Town rush.

The bot emptied Shanty Town and Estate and was about to three-pile with Armories when I seized victory by grabbing my eighth Province.
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Re: Bizarre Bot Strategies II
« Reply #63 on: May 05, 2016, 09:57:44 pm »
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These boots are made for Journeyin'

---------- Villager Bot: turn 17 ----------
Villager Bot - plays 2 Gold, 1 Copper
Villager Bot - buys Pilgrimage
Villager Bot - flips the Journey token face down
Villager Bot - draws Gold, Tunnel, Tunnel, Gold, Estate

---------- Villager Bot: turn 18 ----------
Villager Bot - plays 2 Gold
Villager Bot - buys Pilgrimage
Villager Bot - flips the Journey token face up
Villager Bot - draws Curse, Gold, Curse, Gold, Silver

---------- Villager Bot: turn 19 ----------
Villager Bot - plays 2 Gold, 1 Silver
Villager Bot - buys Pilgrimage
Villager Bot - flips the Journey token face down
Villager Bot - draws Gold, Young Witch, Copper, Tunnel, Curse

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Re: Bizarre Bot Strategies II
« Reply #64 on: May 06, 2016, 01:53:36 am »
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I got the impression that since the Adventure update some bots (Warlord) have started to pursue awful rush strategies with duchy/estate as their main vp source. Maybe somebody tweaked them for the worse.
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Re: Bizarre Bot Strategies II
« Reply #65 on: May 06, 2016, 09:55:28 am »
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MF said that the Adventures bots are going to be horrible, thank goodness the community was able to convince them to release Adventures before fixing Adventures. (They implied that they considered delaying it for the bots)
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Re: Bizarre Bot Strategies II
« Reply #66 on: May 06, 2016, 10:01:30 am »
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I just finished the Adventures Campaigns, and the bots are horrible.  In the old expansions, there were quite a few stages that required a few tries, but in Adventures the only times I lost were games where I realized I'd pick a poor strategy and resigned in order to try it again and go faster. 

They buy lots of Duchies and Estates, they empty the Ports without getting any other actions.  I've had bots buy Mission on every turn with a deck that can't do anything on a turn it doesn't buy anything. 

I expected the bots to be bad on Randomly generated boards, but I thought they might be better in the campaigns.  Even some simple scripts should perform way better than these bots are doing. 
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Re: Bizarre Bot Strategies II
« Reply #67 on: May 06, 2016, 10:21:25 am »
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I just finished the Adventures Campaigns, and the bots are horrible.  In the old expansions, there were quite a few stages that required a few tries, but in Adventures the only times I lost were games where I realized I'd pick a poor strategy and resigned in order to try it again and go faster. 

They buy lots of Duchies and Estates, they empty the Ports without getting any other actions.  I've had bots buy Mission on every turn with a deck that can't do anything on a turn it doesn't buy anything. 

I expected the bots to be bad on Randomly generated boards, but I thought they might be better in the campaigns.  Even some simple scripts should perform way better than these bots are doing.

I think Donald helped with most of the campaigns. Looks like he didn't help with adventures campaigns.
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Re: Bizarre Bot Strategies II
« Reply #68 on: May 06, 2016, 10:26:00 am »
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I just finished the Adventures Campaigns, and the bots are horrible.  In the old expansions, there were quite a few stages that required a few tries, but in Adventures the only times I lost were games where I realized I'd pick a poor strategy and resigned in order to try it again and go faster. 

They buy lots of Duchies and Estates, they empty the Ports without getting any other actions.  I've had bots buy Mission on every turn with a deck that can't do anything on a turn it doesn't buy anything. 

I expected the bots to be bad on Randomly generated boards, but I thought they might be better in the campaigns.  Even some simple scripts should perform way better than these bots are doing.

I think Donald helped with most of the campaigns. Looks like he didn't help with adventures campaigns.

He designed the kingdoms, not the bots.
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Re: Bizarre Bot Strategies II
« Reply #69 on: May 06, 2016, 10:30:49 am »
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He designed the kingdoms, not the bots.

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Re: Bizarre Bot Strategies II
« Reply #70 on: May 06, 2016, 10:32:59 am »
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He designed the kingdoms, not the bots.

Wow, that's surprising. I always thought the bots designed the kingdoms.
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Re: Bizarre Bot Strategies II
« Reply #71 on: May 09, 2016, 02:07:22 am »
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I saw an interesting one from one of the bots. The board included Trader and Embargo. The bot Embargoed Copper, so whenever it had Trader in hand each buy could potentially be two Silvers. The board we were playing also featured a strong engine, so it was wrong for that kingdom, but it did make me wonder if on the right Feodum or slog board this could be an option.
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Re: Bizarre Bot Strategies II
« Reply #72 on: May 09, 2016, 11:06:25 am »
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I saw an interesting one from one of the bots. The board included Trader and Embargo. The bot Embargoed Copper, so whenever it had Trader in hand each buy could potentially be two Silvers. The board we were playing also featured a strong engine, so it was wrong for that kingdom, but it did make me wonder if on the right Feodum or slog board this could be an option.
Might as well just embargo Feodum, to get the Feodum + silver instead. Also, Trader/Feodum is good anyway.
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Re: Bizarre Bot Strategies II
« Reply #73 on: May 26, 2016, 02:19:54 pm »
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The curses were long gone, but the bot kept buying Soothsayer anyway.  Its ninth gave me the win on piles.
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Re: Bizarre Bot Strategies II
« Reply #74 on: May 26, 2016, 04:00:24 pm »
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The curses were long gone, but the bot kept buying Soothsayer anyway.  Its ninth gave me the win on piles.

Wow. That's, like, Goko hilarious.
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