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Bizarre Bot Strategies II
« on: March 01, 2015, 04:32:04 am »
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Because the thread has been quiet so long, a new one for describing obviously wrong or not-so-obviously-but-still-definitely wrong bot actions and strategies.

Bot plays Band of Misfits. It can choose Treasure Map, Tournament, Scheme or Masquerade. It chooses Tournament. I reveal a Province. The bot plays another Band of Misfits, and again chooses Tournament, apparently hoping that this time I keep my Tournament to myself...
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Re: Bizarre Bot Strategies II
« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2015, 12:49:20 pm »
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Yesterday evening i was too tired to play against humans and got this pearl (there was no Feodum in the kingdom):

Player      plays Swindler
Bot           reveals Prince
Bot           trashes Prince
Bot           reveals reaction Trader
Bot           gains Silver
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Re: Bizarre Bot Strategies II
« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2015, 04:59:34 pm »
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I have a good one:

---------- Defender Bot: turn 8 ----------
Defender Bot - plays Band of Misfits
Defender Bot - chooses Feast
Defender Bot - plays Feast
Defender Bot - trashes Feast
Defender Bot - gains Band of Misfits
...

---------- Defender Bot: turn 9 ----------
Defender Bot - plays Band of Misfits
Defender Bot - chooses Feast
Defender Bot - plays Feast
Defender Bot - trashes Feast
Defender Bot - gains Band of Misfits
...
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Re: Bizarre Bot Strategies II
« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2015, 10:20:21 pm »
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Re: Bizarre Bot Strategies II
« Reply #4 on: April 29, 2015, 12:07:29 am »
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I don't have any specific stories, but back when I had just unlocked Alchemy I remember a number of great times with the bot buying 5 or 6 Golems and no other actions.
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Re: Bizarre Bot Strategies II
« Reply #5 on: April 29, 2015, 04:59:21 am »
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Re: Bizarre Bot Strategies II
« Reply #6 on: May 11, 2015, 11:40:16 pm »
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It takes the fun out of giving the bot Ruins when they voluntarily buy them.
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Re: Bizarre Bot Strategies II
« Reply #7 on: May 12, 2015, 10:57:20 am »
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Two weird possession manoeuvres:

Bot, possessing me, has me play Scrying Pool, then as himself shows Moat.

Bot, possessing me, and knowing that there is a Curse on top of my deck (because of a previous Oracle), plays Mystic, and finds the Curse that it knows is there, rather than keeping it there to spoil my next hand.
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Re: Bizarre Bot Strategies II
« Reply #8 on: May 12, 2015, 02:01:37 pm »
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Because the thread has been quiet so long, a new one for describing obviously wrong or not-so-obviously-but-still-definitely wrong bot actions and strategies.

Bot plays Band of Misfits. It can choose Treasure Map, Tournament, Scheme or Masquerade. It chooses Tournament. I reveal a Province. The bot plays another Band of Misfits, and again chooses Tournament, apparently hoping that this time I keep my Tournament to myself...

I think the bot does that because the bot sometimes doesn't reveal a province to a second tournament.
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Re: Bizarre Bot Strategies II
« Reply #9 on: May 12, 2015, 02:32:36 pm »
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I'm pretty sure the bot does that because a simple code tells it that tournament is the strongest among the cards it can choose to play and no code exists to tell it that the card it chose was unsuccessful in being strong.
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Re: Bizarre Bot Strategies II
« Reply #10 on: May 12, 2015, 05:01:42 pm »
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Bot, possessing me, and knowing that there is a Curse on top of my deck (because of a previous Oracle), plays Mystic, and finds the Curse that it knows is there, rather than keeping it there to spoil my next hand.

It's just worried that if it guesses wrong, you'll think it's stupid.

Actually, now I'm curious about how "good" the bots are at guessing for things like Mystic and Wishing Well. I imagine that it's difficult to keep track of what the bot is "supposed" to know about its deck when you're programming it.
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Re: Bizarre Bot Strategies II
« Reply #11 on: May 12, 2015, 06:18:10 pm »
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Bot, possessing me, and knowing that there is a Curse on top of my deck (because of a previous Oracle), plays Mystic, and finds the Curse that it knows is there, rather than keeping it there to spoil my next hand.

It's just worried that if it guesses wrong, you'll think it's stupid.

Actually, now I'm curious about how "good" the bots are at guessing for things like Mystic and Wishing Well. I imagine that it's difficult to keep track of what the bot is "supposed" to know about its deck when you're programming it.

The bots make a lot of single decisions and very rarely put decisions together to form logic. For these examples, the bots will have current information about the draw deck when 'guessing' for a wishing well but will not use 'know' what card it will play after a wishing well or any difference it might make. A bot will make a single decision on how to draw cards with a mystic and will not have any 'plan' for what happens to the deck afterwards.

The bots can go surprisingly far on limited, restricted, decision making.
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Re: Bizarre Bot Strategies II
« Reply #12 on: May 13, 2015, 09:37:12 am »
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Just played a young witch slog against lord Bottington. With some bad early draws I got terribly behind. I don't know why the bot buys Fool's gold in a deck with almost no chance of connecting them. For a human player they're no better then a copper, which is already pretty bad even in slogs. For the bot, however, they're a lot worse then coppers.

I hit $8 with 2 provinces left. I'm 6 points behind and with the duchies all sold the decision to buy Province is easy.
The bot has in hand: Gold, Silver, 2 Coppers and a Fool's Gold. Guess what.
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Re: Bizarre Bot Strategies II
« Reply #13 on: May 13, 2015, 10:08:23 am »
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I hit $8 with 2 provinces left. I'm 6 points behind and with the duchies all sold the decision to buy Province is easy.
The bot has in hand: Gold, Silver, 2 Coppers and a Fool's Gold. Guess what.

I've noticed that the bots often seem to purposely under-buy victory points at the end to give the player a chance. I was loosing this game until: 

Code: [Select]
---------- Defender Bot: turn 10 ----------
Defender Bot - plays Beggar
Defender Bot - gains Copper
Defender Bot - gains Copper
Defender Bot - gains Copper
Defender Bot - plays 6 Copper
Defender Bot - buys Estate
Defender Bot - gains Estate
Defender Bot - draws Copper, Copper, Copper, Copper, Beggar

It's not like Defender Bot doesn't know better.....

Code: [Select]
---------- Defender Bot: turn 11 ----------
Defender Bot - plays Beggar
Defender Bot - gains Copper
Defender Bot - gains Copper
Defender Bot - gains Copper
Defender Bot - plays 7 Copper
Defender Bot - buys Duchy
Defender Bot - gains Duchy
Defender Bot - draws Beggar, Estate, Gardens, Copper, Copper
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Re: Bizarre Bot Strategies II
« Reply #14 on: May 13, 2015, 10:12:23 am »
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I've noticed that the bots often seem to purposely under-buy victory points at the end to give the player a chance.

It's like they Beg you to win.

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Re: Bizarre Bot Strategies II
« Reply #15 on: May 15, 2015, 06:54:24 am »
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Serf Bot   plays 2 Silver, 1 Copper
Serf Bot   buys Farmland
Serf Bot   trashes Province
Serf Bot   gains Farmland
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Re: Bizarre Bot Strategies II
« Reply #16 on: May 15, 2015, 09:33:27 am »
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Serf Bot   plays 2 Silver, 1 Copper
Serf Bot   buys Farmland
Serf Bot   trashes Province
Serf Bot   gains Farmland

I think Serf Bot was deliberately designed to play almost completely randomly.
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Re: Bizarre Bot Strategies II
« Reply #17 on: May 15, 2015, 11:42:25 am »
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Warlord Bot - plays Warehouse
Warlord Bot - draws Salvager, Estate, Warehouse
Warlord Bot - discards Estate
Warlord Bot - discards Estate
Warlord Bot - discards Curse
Warlord Bot - plays Warehouse
Warlord Bot - draws Warehouse, Salvager, Copper
Warlord Bot - discards Salvager
Warlord Bot - discards Copper
Warlord Bot - discards Salvager
Warlord Bot - plays Familiar
Warlord Bot - draws Warehouse
Warlord Bot - plays Familiar
Warlord Bot - draws Warehouse
Warlord Bot - plays Warehouse
Warlord Bot - draws Curse, Gold, Warehouse
Warlord Bot - discards Curse
Warlord Bot - discards Gold
Warlord Bot - discards Warehouse
Warlord Bot - plays Warehouse
Warlord Bot - draws Curse, Copper, Warehouse
Warlord Bot - discards Curse
Warlord Bot - discards Copper
Warlord Bot - discards Warehouse
Warlord Bot - plays Warehouse
Warlord Bot - shuffles deck
Warlord Bot - draws Curse, Warehouse, Copper
Warlord Bot - discards Curse
Warlord Bot - discards Copper
Warlord Bot - discards Warehouse
Warlord Bot - draws Curse, Curse, Gold, Copper, Warehouse

Basically Warlord Bot is discarding its whole hand with warehouses every turn.
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Re: Bizarre Bot Strategies II
« Reply #18 on: May 15, 2015, 11:48:15 am »
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Warlord Bot - plays Familiar

I think he knew what he was doing.

(Warehouse is a great boost to Familiar, but Warlord is clearly overdoing it.)
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Re: Bizarre Bot Strategies II
« Reply #19 on: May 15, 2015, 12:16:40 pm »
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Looks like the curses were already out though. It doesn't say anything about the opponent gaining a curse.
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Re: Bizarre Bot Strategies II
« Reply #20 on: May 15, 2015, 12:47:24 pm »
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For the record, I do not think he knew what he was doing.
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Re: Bizarre Bot Strategies II
« Reply #21 on: May 15, 2015, 12:52:24 pm »
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Warlord Bot - plays Warehouse
Warlord Bot - draws Salvager, Estate, Warehouse
Warlord Bot - discards Estate
Warlord Bot - discards Estate
Warlord Bot - discards Curse
Warlord Bot - plays Warehouse
Warlord Bot - draws Warehouse, Salvager, Copper
Warlord Bot - discards Salvager
Warlord Bot - discards Copper
Warlord Bot - discards Salvager
Warlord Bot - plays Familiar
Warlord Bot - draws Warehouse
Warlord Bot - plays Familiar
Warlord Bot - draws Warehouse
Warlord Bot - plays Warehouse
Warlord Bot - draws Curse, Gold, Warehouse
Warlord Bot - discards Curse
Warlord Bot - discards Gold
Warlord Bot - discards Warehouse
Warlord Bot - plays Warehouse
Warlord Bot - draws Curse, Copper, Warehouse
Warlord Bot - discards Curse
Warlord Bot - discards Copper
Warlord Bot - discards Warehouse
Warlord Bot - plays Warehouse
Warlord Bot - shuffles deck
Warlord Bot - draws Curse, Warehouse, Copper
Warlord Bot - discards Curse
Warlord Bot - discards Copper
Warlord Bot - discards Warehouse
Warlord Bot - draws Curse, Curse, Gold, Copper, Warehouse

Basically Warlord Bot is discarding its whole hand with warehouses every turn.

I've seen this, too. It's like there are a handful of cards that bots always want as many of as possible even if they're bad for their deck.
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Re: Bizarre Bot Strategies II
« Reply #22 on: May 15, 2015, 02:37:16 pm »
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I saw this too with Warlord Bot:

Warlord Bot - plays Scheme
Warlord Bot - draws Scheme
Warlord Bot - plays Scheme
Warlord Bot - draws Copper
Warlord Bot - plays Scheme
Warlord Bot - draws Copper
Warlord Bot - plays Scheme
Warlord Bot - draws Copper
Warlord Bot - plays Scheme
Warlord Bot - draws Scheme
Warlord Bot - plays Scheme
Warlord Bot - draws Estate
Warlord Bot - plays 4 Copper
Warlord Bot - buys Scheme
Warlord Bot - gains Scheme
Warlord Bot - Scheme choice: Scheme
Warlord Bot - Scheme choice: Scheme
Warlord Bot - Scheme choice: Scheme
Warlord Bot - Scheme choice: Scheme
Warlord Bot - Scheme choice: Scheme
Warlord Bot - Scheme choice: Scheme
Warlord Bot - draws Scheme, Scheme, Scheme, Scheme, Scheme
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Re: Bizarre Bot Strategies II
« Reply #23 on: June 01, 2015, 04:11:51 pm »
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Defender Botplays Sage
Defender Botreveals Treasure Map
Defender Botplaces Treasure Map in hand
Defender Botplays Necropolis
Defender Botplays Treasure Map
Defender Bottrashes Treasure Map, Treasure Map
Defender Botgains Gold
Defender Botgains Gold
Defender Botgains Gold
Defender Botgains Gold
Defender Botplays Chancellor
Defender Botmoves deck to discards
Defender Botplays 1 Copper
Defender Botbuys Silver
Defender Botgains Silver
Defender Botshuffles deck
Defender Botdraws Gold, Overgrown Estate, Hovel, Gold, Silver
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Re: Bizarre Bot Strategies II
« Reply #24 on: June 08, 2015, 07:25:04 am »
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Lord Bottington really hates curses:
In this game he refuses to gain a curse to my Throned Torturers, thus self-pinning himself from turn 7 onwards (truth be told, he did manage to buy 2 estates towards the end of the game).
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