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Re: Dominion Online on Steam Greenlight
« Reply #50 on: February 25, 2015, 11:59:03 am »
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... it is a chore to use Goko's log. I have to click a button to open it (a keyboard shortcut would be nice), it blocks the screen, and it's too small to show longer turns. But the absolute worst part is that the scroll bar is broken. When I use it, it doesn't "un-stick" from my mouse. I can't get it to stay in one place. It makes the damn thing nigh-useless.

That's why I'm complaining about not having the side log. GET IT!?

Okay, yes.  The scroll bar is pretty stupid.  I guess what I'm saying is I'm not opposed to the *idea* of a clickable log, as long as it's implemented correctly.
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Re: Dominion Online on Steam Greenlight
« Reply #51 on: February 25, 2015, 11:59:27 am »
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Did you have trouble shuffling cards when you played Dominion with real cards?
There is no reason to transfer inconveniences to an online implementation.
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Re: Dominion Online on Steam Greenlight
« Reply #52 on: February 25, 2015, 12:15:33 pm »
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Did you have trouble shuffling cards when you played Dominion with real cards?
There is no reason to transfer inconveniences to an online implementation.

That's just what online Dominion needs:  click, hold, and shake your mouse back and forth for 20 seconds to simulate shuffling!
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Re: Dominion Online on Steam Greenlight
« Reply #53 on: February 25, 2015, 12:15:52 pm »
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Okay, yes.  The scroll bar is pretty stupid.  I guess what I'm saying is I'm not opposed to the *idea* of a clickable log, as long as it's implemented correctly.

The silly bit is that the scroll bars in the lobby work with a mouse's scroll wheel, which is a fine workaround. The scroll wheel doesn't work in the log popup, and the scroll bar itself is busted!
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Re: Dominion Online on Steam Greenlight
« Reply #54 on: February 25, 2015, 12:16:03 pm »
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When they've been taking and dismissing complaints for so long with the promise of an upcoming new version, they should immediately have stuff to show from the new version to demonstrate actual interface upgrades to make it worthwhile both for the wait and exchange for Salvager, not just some fancy visual effects.

This is a problem of atrocious customer service.
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Re: Dominion Online on Steam Greenlight
« Reply #55 on: February 25, 2015, 12:30:17 pm »
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Posted on their Facebook page:

"There will be a new Unity-based game for browser play that has several changes (we believe improvements) from the version that is live today. That same new version will be what gets released on tablets, Steam (assuming the Greenlight is successful), and phones as we integrate the various platform APIs and change the interface to accommodate smaller screens. We wouldn't call it a "carbon copy", as each platform has its differences, but it will be as similar as it can be while making adjustments necessary for the different platforms."
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Re: Dominion Online on Steam Greenlight
« Reply #56 on: February 25, 2015, 01:30:36 pm »
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From the steam chat:

@awaclus, we will have many Salvager features implemented in the new version. @LastFootnote, @jsh357 - try not to be haters, give us a chance, one we get the new version live then we can focus on improving it. We have a log list of player feedback and, like the Salvager features, many items are being addressed in the initial launch. Right now we are trying to run and improve a game we didn't create while completely rebuilding it from the ground up. Not an easy task.
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Re: Dominion Online on Steam Greenlight
« Reply #57 on: February 25, 2015, 01:42:30 pm »
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give us a chance, one we get the new version live then we can focus on improving it.
Why not make it good in the first place?

Also, it's highly suspicious that they don't tell us which salvager features will be implemented.
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Re: Dominion Online on Steam Greenlight
« Reply #58 on: February 25, 2015, 02:11:47 pm »
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I'm tired of being angry, so now I'm just here for the comments.

Something's changed about you, jsh. I can't put my finger on it, but suddenly I don't feel I can trust you.

This is a joke about his avatar.
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Re: Dominion Online on Steam Greenlight
« Reply #59 on: February 25, 2015, 02:14:38 pm »
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I'm tired of being angry, so now I'm just here for the comments.

Something's changed about you, jsh. I can't put my finger on it, but suddenly I don't feel I can trust you.

This is a joke about his avatar.

...Great minds think alike?
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Re: Dominion Online on Steam Greenlight
« Reply #60 on: February 25, 2015, 02:16:39 pm »
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give us a chance, one we get the new version live then we can focus on improving it.
Why not make it good in the first place?

Also, it's highly suspicious that they don't tell us which salvager features will be implemented.

They probably implemented some old bugs that Salvager has had during its run.
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Re: Dominion Online on Steam Greenlight
« Reply #61 on: February 25, 2015, 02:17:31 pm »
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Haha, looks awful, you'll all still play though!
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Re: Dominion Online on Steam Greenlight
« Reply #62 on: February 25, 2015, 02:18:17 pm »
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LastFootnote, part of why it has taken so long is we really TRIED to improve the existing game. We closed > 100 bugs on the live version. We didn't want to start over. But eventually we had to make that tough decision. All you are voting for here is do you want to see a NEW version of Dominion come to Steam. The screenshots are a combination of work-in-progress and the live version (for the benefit of people who haven't seen it). Our main goal is to get the existing functionality live as a starting position. And not have to reboot the servers every week. We are a few months from shipping the game still. Please give us your 'up' vote here and reserve judgement once you see the new game. After all, it will still be a free download to get the entire base set of Dominion, which is a heck of a deal.

Wait.... we have to buy all the cards again?!

Edit: Or maybe I'm just not sure what he means by that last part.
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Re: Dominion Online on Steam Greenlight
« Reply #63 on: February 25, 2015, 02:21:10 pm »
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Wait.... we have to buy all the cards again?!

Don't jump to conclusions. I doubt that will be the case.
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Re: Dominion Online on Steam Greenlight
« Reply #64 on: February 25, 2015, 02:23:43 pm »
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Wait.... we have to buy all the cards again?!

Don't jump to conclusions. I doubt that will be the case.

What else am I supposed to do with this mat?
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Re: Dominion Online on Steam Greenlight
« Reply #65 on: February 25, 2015, 02:31:00 pm »
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LastFootnote, part of why it has taken so long is we really TRIED to improve the existing game. We closed > 100 bugs on the live version. We didn't want to start over. But eventually we had to make that tough decision. All you are voting for here is do you want to see a NEW version of Dominion come to Steam. The screenshots are a combination of work-in-progress and the live version (for the benefit of people who haven't seen it). Our main goal is to get the existing functionality live as a starting position. And not have to reboot the servers every week. We are a few months from shipping the game still. Please give us your 'up' vote here and reserve judgement once you see the new game. After all, it will still be a free download to get the entire base set of Dominion, which is a heck of a deal.

Wait.... we have to buy all the cards again?!

Edit: Or maybe I'm just not sure what he means by that last part.
I'm pretty sure the answer's no, and I read it somewhere. I just need to find that somewhere again...

EDIT: Q on Facebook: " If this gets running, I'm assuming our purchases will carry over?"
A from Dominion Online: "Yes"
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Re: Dominion Online on Steam Greenlight
« Reply #66 on: February 25, 2015, 02:34:42 pm »
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I wish they'd started selling fancy Base Cards a while ago. That's easy money, I would think.
« Last Edit: February 25, 2015, 03:02:38 pm by LastFootnote »
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Re: Dominion Online on Steam Greenlight
« Reply #67 on: February 25, 2015, 02:36:06 pm »
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I guess I was confused because he was talking specifically to an existing player there, who (maybe) has already paid. 
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Re: Dominion Online on Steam Greenlight
« Reply #68 on: February 25, 2015, 02:41:34 pm »
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I guess I was confused because he was talking specifically to an existing player there, who (maybe) has already paid.

I think he was just saying, "Hey, you should support this being on Steam because it's a good deal for people". To which my response was, "Fix the longstanding usability issues and I will change my vote from "No" to "Yes".
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Re: Dominion Online on Steam Greenlight
« Reply #69 on: February 25, 2015, 02:45:57 pm »
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Please give us your 'up' vote here and reserve judgement once you see the new game

Am i fundamentally missunderstanding the idea of Steam Greenlight or are they?
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Re: Dominion Online on Steam Greenlight
« Reply #70 on: February 25, 2015, 02:52:43 pm »
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Hmmm.  One person made a really barebones version that worked well and was free.  Someone else made a blingy-bling-bling version where you can't even start a game with another person without having your email open in another tab.  The latter is the reason that the former had to be shut down.  And now they want our blessings on Greenlight in... good faith that as far as we know they might fix the stupid interface crap when they get around to it maybe.

Hell, if they threw in a flawless Isotropic emulator with full online functionality, I'd upvote that.  Your bling has no power here.

Offline Goko is better than nothing and all that, but whatever.
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Re: Dominion Online on Steam Greenlight
« Reply #71 on: February 25, 2015, 02:53:32 pm »
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Am i fundamentally missunderstanding the idea of Steam Greenlight or are they?

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Re: Dominion Online on Steam Greenlight
« Reply #72 on: February 25, 2015, 02:53:56 pm »
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Did you have trouble shuffling cards when you played Dominion with real cards?
There is no reason to transfer inconveniences to an online implementation.

That's just what online Dominion needs:  click, hold, and shake your mouse back and forth for 20 seconds to simulate shuffling!

I'm quoting this just so people can go back and upvote it some more.

If they had a "click here to punch Blingy McCorporate Game Designer in the face" button, like a modern spin-off on the "kill Barney the dinosaur" pages of the dial-up era, I would be all over that.
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Re: Dominion Online on Steam Greenlight
« Reply #73 on: February 25, 2015, 03:11:23 pm »
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Am i fundamentally missunderstanding the idea of Steam Greenlight or are they?

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Re: Dominion Online on Steam Greenlight
« Reply #74 on: February 25, 2015, 03:12:46 pm »
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I guess to be fair to them, it's useful to get greenlit prior to finishing a game anyway (the greenlighting never expires) but from our perspective here it's not a 100% 'yes' since we know there are still problems with the game.
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