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Should mafia quotes go in the out of context thread?
« on: February 19, 2015, 12:12:06 am »

That thread has gotten way too out of hand.  Please move the discussion here.
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Re: Should mafia quotes go in the out of context thread?
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2015, 01:07:47 am »

Shouldn't this be a poll? And no, respect the rules of mafia, pretend as though ongoing games don't exist, don't quote them.

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Re: Should mafia quotes go in the out of context thread?
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2015, 01:17:54 am »

This is more for discussion, just to not clutter up the other thread.  If someone wants a poll, they can make it.
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Re: Should mafia quotes go in the out of context thread?
« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2015, 01:47:31 am »

Shouldn't this be a poll? And no, respect the rules of mafia, pretend as though ongoing games don't exist, don't quote them.

The rule is not to discuss ongoing games.  An out-of-context quote is not discussion.
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Re: Should mafia quotes go in the out of context thread?
« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2015, 05:52:46 am »

This is more for discussion, just to not clutter up the other thread.  If someone wants a poll, they can make it.

Well, this is still a thing: http://strawpoll.me/2385814/r
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Re: Should mafia quotes go in the out of context thread?
« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2015, 07:37:36 am »

Shouldn't this be a poll? And no, respect the rules of mafia, pretend as though ongoing games don't exist, don't quote them.

The rule is not to discuss ongoing games.  An out-of-context quote is not discussion.

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Re: Should mafia quotes go in the out of context thread?
« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2015, 08:01:33 am »

The easiest way to solve this is for the mod of each game to decide whether out of context quotes are allowed in their game and make a ruling in the OP.
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Re: Should mafia quotes go in the out of context thread?
« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2015, 08:12:22 am »

The easiest way to solve this is for the mod of each game to decide whether out of context quotes are allowed in their game and make a ruling in the OP.

Sure, but what's the default then ? I think the default should be that it's allowed, obviously.
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Re: Should mafia quotes go in the out of context thread?
« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2015, 11:27:01 am »

I would like to suggest that the straw poll is not sufficiently nuanced.

"Yes, but only after the game is finished" is not an option.

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Re: Should mafia quotes go in the out of context thread?
« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2015, 11:32:01 am »

I would like to suggest that the straw poll is not sufficiently nuanced.

"Yes, but only after the game is finished" is not an option.

Well, I thought it was obvious that finished games would be fine when I was creating the poll.
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Re: Should mafia quotes go in the out of context thread?
« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2015, 11:47:16 am »

Can I talk about fight club if it's only in the out of context thread?
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Re: Should mafia quotes go in the out of context thread?
« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2015, 11:53:58 am »

I think it's not okay. One version of the rules I've seen is "You must not about ongoing games. This includes jokes & passing references"- that seems clearly to include the Out of Context Thread. However, not everyone uses this phrase in the rules.
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Re: Should mafia quotes go in the out of context thread?
« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2015, 11:58:12 am »

I think it's not okay. One version of the rules I've seen is "You must not about ongoing games. This includes jokes & passing references"- that seems clearly to include the Out of Context Thread. However, not everyone uses this phrase in the rules.

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Re: Should mafia quotes go in the out of context thread?
« Reply #13 on: February 19, 2015, 02:50:22 pm »

I think it's not okay. One version of the rules I've seen is "You must not about ongoing games. This includes jokes & passing references"- that seems clearly to include the Out of Context Thread. However, not everyone uses this phrase in the rules.
That's the thing about a "passing reference".  It has to refer to something.  By definition, out of context quotes are out of context, and you don't even know what threads they come from.

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Re: Should mafia quotes go in the out of context thread?
« Reply #14 on: February 19, 2015, 03:06:00 pm »

It appears as if the strawpoll was a crushing defeat for the "no" camp anyway, not sure why this is even still being discussed.
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Re: Should mafia quotes go in the out of context thread?
« Reply #15 on: February 19, 2015, 04:21:01 pm »

It appears as if the strawpoll was a crushing defeat for the "no" camp anyway, not sure why this is even still being discussed.

The poll looks pretty even to me right now.  I didn't even vote.
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Re: Should mafia quotes go in the out of context thread?
« Reply #16 on: February 19, 2015, 04:44:26 pm »

It appears as if the strawpoll was a crushing defeat for the "no" camp anyway, not sure why this is even still being discussed.

The poll looks pretty even to me right now.  I didn't even vote.

Yeah, same here. 12:13 is not what I'd call a "crushing defeat".
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Re: Should mafia quotes go in the out of context thread?
« Reply #17 on: February 19, 2015, 05:00:05 pm »

It appears as if the strawpoll was a crushing defeat for the "no" camp anyway, not sure why this is even still being discussed.

The poll looks pretty even to me right now.  I didn't even vote.

Yeah, same here. 12:13 is not what I'd call a "crushing defeat".

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Re: Should mafia quotes go in the out of context thread?
« Reply #18 on: February 19, 2015, 05:02:55 pm »

I think Teproc is being sarcastic.
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Re: Should mafia quotes go in the out of context thread?
« Reply #19 on: February 19, 2015, 08:13:59 pm »

If it helps, here's my standard rule from all my games:

1.  No communication between players outside of the game thread or shared QTs at any time.  This includes passing references, jokes, or cases in other games or threads.

I wrote it with the OOC thread in mind, as I would define the OOC quotes as "jokes" in this case.
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Re: Should mafia quotes go in the out of context thread?
« Reply #20 on: February 19, 2015, 11:31:57 pm »

If it helps, here's my standard rule from all my games:

1.  No communication between players outside of the game thread or shared QTs at any time.  This includes passing references, jokes, or cases in other games or threads.

I wrote it with the OOC thread in mind, as I would define the OOC quotes as "jokes" in this case.

which is why I like what was mentioned by asherksy in the OOC thread earlier.

I would say, in modding the mafia community, that no player, alive or dead, should post anything about an ongoing game in any thread, including this one, until the game is over.

If someone who is just casually reading through a game as an observer sees something that they think is hilarious out of context and wants to quote it, then by all means go ahead.  It gives no advantage whatsoever to anyone.  I do not think players/mods should quote stuff though.
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Re: Should mafia quotes go in the out of context thread?
« Reply #21 on: February 19, 2015, 11:38:02 pm »

If it helps, here's my standard rule from all my games:

1.  No communication between players outside of the game thread or shared QTs at any time.  This includes passing references, jokes, or cases in other games or threads.

I wrote it with the OOC thread in mind, as I would define the OOC quotes as "jokes" in this case.

I'm probably going to start including this in my future games.
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Re: Should mafia quotes go in the out of context thread?
« Reply #22 on: February 20, 2015, 03:39:54 am »

If someone who is just casually reading through a game as an observer sees something that they think is hilarious out of context and wants to quote it, then by all means go ahead.  It gives no advantage whatsoever to anyone.  I do not think players/mods should quote stuff though.

There's no advantage for players or mods either, unless you are deliberately trying to cheat, in which case the same issue exists with PMs and any other thread as well.
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