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Re: Play Temporum online, single-player against AI!
« Reply #75 on: January 22, 2015, 05:07:52 pm »
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I think Iron Age is buggy, it was giving me a $2 bonus on cost of scoring cards even when I ruled no zones. (Maybe it was considering empty Age IV as a tied ruling?) Maybe I misunderstand how Iron Age works though.

How many players? Top 2 rule Zones in 4 and 5 player games.

Okay that's working correctly than, I misunderstood how ruling was defined. It definitely says that you must pay $-2 to score if you control 3 ages and have a card that costs $4 to score though. I just replicated it. Not 100% sure if that's a visual bug or if it was giving me money to score or not though.
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Re: Play Temporum online, single-player against AI!
« Reply #76 on: January 22, 2015, 05:09:34 pm »
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I think Iron Age is buggy, it was giving me a $2 bonus on cost of scoring cards even when I ruled no zones. (Maybe it was considering empty Age IV as a tied ruling?) Maybe I misunderstand how Iron Age works though.

I was playing with 4 or 5 players I think. Also, if I do rule in multiple places (say 3) and I score a card that costs $4 to score, it says that I have to pay $-2, and I think it gave me money for scoring.

I'm pretty sure that with 4 or 5 players, each time is ruled by two players (edit: ninja'd).  I just tested Iron Age with only 2 players and it behaves as expected.

I don't think there's a way to get money by scoring... though there's a power that lets you draw a card when you score, and another that gives you money when you draw a card.

You can also get money from scoring through Prime Real Estate, when you move a crown to Time IV.

And yes, for 4 or 5 players, top 2 rule each Time. For 1 player, I decided that you only rule Times you have a crown in (though one could argue that you have the most crowns even in places that you have none).
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Re: Play Temporum online, single-player against AI!
« Reply #77 on: January 22, 2015, 05:10:58 pm »
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I think Iron Age is buggy, it was giving me a $2 bonus on cost of scoring cards even when I ruled no zones. (Maybe it was considering empty Age IV as a tied ruling?) Maybe I misunderstand how Iron Age works though.

I was playing with 4 or 5 players I think. Also, if I do rule in multiple places (say 3) and I score a card that costs $4 to score, it says that I have to pay $-2, and I think it gave me money for scoring.

I'm pretty sure that with 4 or 5 players, each time is ruled by two players (edit: ninja'd).  I just tested Iron Age with only 2 players and it behaves as expected.

I don't think there's a way to get money by scoring... though there's a power that lets you draw a card when you score, and another that gives you money when you draw a card.

Edit: Oh, I get it.  You ruled 3 zones so you got a discount of -$6, which reduced it to -$2 and might have given you money.  I just got the opportunity to try this, and I confirm -- I gained $2 from it.  Presumably Iron Age should not give you money, but Donald will have to confirm.

Good catch! Yeah, this is a bug, unless Donald surprises me with another ruling.
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Re: Play Temporum online, single-player against AI!
« Reply #78 on: January 22, 2015, 05:13:40 pm »
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I think Iron Age is buggy, it was giving me a $2 bonus on cost of scoring cards even when I ruled no zones. (Maybe it was considering empty Age IV as a tied ruling?) Maybe I misunderstand how Iron Age works though.

I was playing with 4 or 5 players I think. Also, if I do rule in multiple places (say 3) and I score a card that costs $4 to score, it says that I have to pay $-2, and I think it gave me money for scoring.

I'm pretty sure that with 4 or 5 players, each time is ruled by two players (edit: ninja'd).  I just tested Iron Age with only 2 players and it behaves as expected.

I don't think there's a way to get money by scoring... though there's a power that lets you draw a card when you score, and another that gives you money when you draw a card.

Edit: Oh, I get it.  You ruled 3 zones so you got a discount of -$6, which reduced it to -$2 and might have given you money.  I just got the opportunity to try this, and I confirm -- I gained $2 from it.  Presumably Iron Age should not give you money, but Donald will have to confirm.

Good catch! Yeah, this is a bug, unless Donald surprises me with another ruling.
Making something cheaper does not give you $.
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Re: Play Temporum online, single-player against AI!
« Reply #79 on: January 22, 2015, 05:39:43 pm »
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If I have no cards in hand and someone else visits Inquisition, I have to click "Discard a card" twice. After the first click, "You had no cards to discard" shows up in the log, but nothing else happens. If I chose that option again, the game continues as it should.
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« Reply #80 on: January 22, 2015, 06:16:12 pm »
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If I have no cards in hand and someone else visits Inquisition, I have to click "Discard a card" twice. After the first click, "You had no cards to discard" shows up in the log, but nothing else happens. If I chose that option again, the game continues as it should.

Thanks, will look into tonight.
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Re: Play Temporum online, single-player against AI!
« Reply #81 on: January 22, 2015, 10:15:47 pm »
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I like a lot of the flavor in this game if nothing else.  In mere anarchy, nothing will keep you from getting robbed the moment you set foot outside of the time machine, but the more sway you hold with gang members of the time the more money you'll be able to steal before you hop back in.

EDIT: damn, now my pedanticness is going to bite me though.  The butterfly card should represent 1 small change with a profound impact (like changing history in time zone 1, then everything else in the change being different from there anyway)

Instead it changes everything which is not really what the butterfly effect is, except in a more broad general sense.
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« Reply #82 on: January 22, 2015, 10:50:34 pm »
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EDIT: damn, now my pedanticness is going to bite me though.  The butterfly card should represent 1 small change with a profound impact (like changing history in time zone 1, then everything else in the change being different from there anyway)

Instead it changes everything which is not really what the butterfly effect is, except in a more broad general sense.

That's incorporated into "Late Jurassic", which is the era that time travel stories usually use that have their one small change drastically impact all subsequent history.

The butterfly card is actually about a specific species, the Benjamin Button Butterfly, which lives backwards in time.  Stepping on such a butterfly has a huge impact both in the future and in the past!

(Now be pedantic about how that's not what Benjamin Button is about.)
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Re: Play Temporum online, single-player against AI!
« Reply #83 on: January 22, 2015, 11:24:27 pm »
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Fixed Inquisition with no cards and scoring for negative costs.

Thematically, I think Age of Cats is the best. We have 4 cats so I should know... they're always trying to get me to score my cards twice.
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Re: Play Temporum online, single-player against AI!
« Reply #84 on: January 23, 2015, 02:57:24 am »
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EDIT: damn, now my pedanticness is going to bite me though.  The butterfly card should represent 1 small change with a profound impact (like changing history in time zone 1, then everything else in the change being different from there anyway)

Instead it changes everything which is not really what the butterfly effect is, except in a more broad general sense.
It's not the butterfly effect, it's the Ray Bradbury story A Sound of Thunder (wikipedia then says that that's the butterfly effect, but they're 100% wrong - one is a butterfly flapping its wings and causing a hurricane, the other is a domino effect over history from stepping on a butterfly). http://www.scaryforkids.com/a-sound-of-thunder/

And it was supposed to be Late Cretaceous, the artist drew Jurassic dinosaurs and it was easiest to rename it (ditto Anubis Statuette which was once Anubis Figurine; however Pope Hat turned into Papal Tiara because her research indicated that in fact that's what you call it).
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Re: Play Temporum online, single-player against AI!
« Reply #85 on: January 23, 2015, 03:08:12 am »
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I have $11 and Friends and Old Places. It shows that a $12 for 6 in my hand only costs $10, but won't let me pick it to score it.
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« Reply #86 on: January 23, 2015, 09:50:38 am »
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I have $11 and Friends and Old Places. It shows that a $12 for 6 in my hand only costs $10, but won't let me pick it to score it.

Fixed.
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Re: Play Temporum online, single-player against AI!
« Reply #87 on: January 23, 2015, 11:24:42 am »
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Found a bug, not entirely sure what's causing it - Engineer is showing as costing $NaN for 5. It was drawn with Alien Contact and I am being asked if I want to score it. My only ongoing is "When you play another card, gain an extra $2." No zones on the board make it cheaper to score. I was correctly charged $8 when I scored it.
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« Reply #88 on: January 23, 2015, 11:36:30 am »
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The bug is with Alien Contact. I just drew Infected Rat with it, which is showing $NaN for 6. It also charged me 12 correctly.
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Re: Play Temporum online, single-player against AI!
« Reply #89 on: January 23, 2015, 02:00:48 pm »
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The bug is with Alien Contact. I just drew Infected Rat with it, which is showing $NaN for 6. It also charged me 12 correctly.

Thanks a bunch, fixed!
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Re: Play Temporum online, single-player against AI!
« Reply #90 on: January 23, 2015, 02:22:50 pm »
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EDIT: damn, now my pedanticness is going to bite me though.  The butterfly card should represent 1 small change with a profound impact (like changing history in time zone 1, then everything else in the change being different from there anyway)

Instead it changes everything which is not really what the butterfly effect is, except in a more broad general sense.
It's not the butterfly effect, it's the Ray Bradbury story A Sound of Thunder (wikipedia then says that that's the butterfly effect, but they're 100% wrong - one is a butterfly flapping its wings and causing a hurricane, the other is a domino effect over history from stepping on a butterfly). http://www.scaryforkids.com/a-sound-of-thunder/

And it was supposed to be Late Cretaceous, the artist drew Jurassic dinosaurs and it was easiest to rename it (ditto Anubis Statuette which was once Anubis Figurine; however Pope Hat turned into Papal Tiara because her research indicated that in fact that's what you call it).

Oh ok.  I didn't know about the other similar reference, so I figured Step on a Butterfly meant doing so in order to prevent it from performing a meteorological and historical butterfly effect.

I guess authors have a short supply of things that are really really small but still cute.  Although if you get close enough to a butterfly to look at its face I don't think those are cute either.
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« Reply #91 on: January 23, 2015, 03:06:50 pm »
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Although if you get close enough to a butterfly to look at its face I don't think those are cute either.

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Re: Play Temporum online, single-player against AI!
« Reply #92 on: January 27, 2015, 08:15:11 pm »
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Ok, the AI now is actually smart when advancing crowns. It uses a heuristic provided by Donald himself; basically it will try to rule times that have zones that care about having crowns there, and it will try to prevent other people from ruling such times.
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« Reply #93 on: January 27, 2015, 08:57:15 pm »
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My favourite card as far as theme goes is Tulip Stocks.
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« Reply #94 on: January 28, 2015, 11:54:15 am »
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Ok, the AI now is actually smart when advancing crowns. It uses a heuristic provided by Donald himself; basically it will try to rule times that have zones that care about having crowns there, and it will try to prevent other people from ruling such times.

Wonderful! Many thanks to both of you.
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« Reply #95 on: January 28, 2015, 03:39:35 pm »
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Ok, the AI now is actually smart when advancing crowns. It uses a heuristic provided by Donald himself; basically it will try to rule times that have zones that care about having crowns there, and it will try to prevent other people from ruling such times.

Dammit, man! Now I've lost my first game against the AI! My perfect record, NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
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« Reply #96 on: February 03, 2015, 11:53:49 am »
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Do you have any plans to implement the remaining cards/zones?
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« Reply #97 on: February 03, 2015, 01:02:04 pm »
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Do you have any plans to implement the remaining cards/zones?

Yes! Sorry I've been busy the last week or so. Mostly likely I'll be doing some more this weekend, along with a smarter algorithm for the AI deciding whether to change history that Donald suggested.
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« Reply #98 on: February 03, 2015, 05:34:53 pm »
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Do you have any plans to implement the remaining cards/zones?

Yes! Sorry I've been busy the last week or so. Mostly likely I'll be doing some more this weekend, along with a smarter algorithm for the AI deciding whether to change history that Donald suggested.

Oh no rush at all, I do not expect anything else - you've already done a ton. I just recently played again in-person and it reminded me "oh, right, there are more cards."
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« Reply #99 on: February 07, 2015, 03:15:39 pm »
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Bureaucracy (Time III Zone) is implemented now! Sorry for the long wait since the last update. Hopefully will have a few more cards this weekend/week.
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