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Dominion: Adventures^^
« on: January 17, 2015, 05:56:26 pm »
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Hello!
I find it funny to make serious specuations about the new Dominion expansion. Sure, it is very unlikely that Adventures looks like I predict. This will look ridiculous when we know Donald's cards. This is just for fun. And in the end it will make us aware of how good the official Dominion cards are!

So here is what I would do coming from this description.

Some of these are adaptions of LastFootnote's Activation cards or other cards from this forum, some cards are from the German forum and some are new.
Feel free to post your own ideas and predictions. ;)


Duration cards:

Note that the Duration type doen't mean the card is discarded in your next turn's cleanup! Most of these cards are not like the Durations from Seaside. They are discarded in the cleanup phase when all their on-play effects are resolved.

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Relocate (Action - Duration) $4
Set aside a card from your hand. At the start of each of your future turns, if a card set aside by this, trash it and gain a card costing exactly $1 more. You may set aside the new card.
(Edit: Grammar)

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Transport Ship (Action - Duration) $3
+2 Cards
+1 Action

At the start of your next turn, discard down to 3 cards in your hand.
(Edit: Lowered cost from $4 to $3.)

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Ambush (Action-Duration) $2
Now and the next time another player buys a Victory card, +2 cards.

Donjon (Action-Duration) $5
+4 Cards
Set aside a card from your hand. After the next time you shuffle your deck, discard the card you set aside.
(Edit: Clarity)

Prince's Chamber (Action - Duration) $4
You may play an Action from your hand. When you would discard it in this cleanup phase, set it aside instead. Play it again at the start of your next turn.
(This one changed a lot between Reserve and Duration. It went back to a Duration with Prince's phrasing.)


Reserve cards

When a Reserve card is played, you don't put it into play but on your Reserve mat. Either immediately or at any future time during your Action phase, you may put it into play which will trigger the "when you put this in play" effect. You can put a Reserve card from the mat into play whenever you'd regularly be able to play an Action from your hand. This does not use up an Action though.

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Granary (Action - Reserve) $5
+1 Action
Now and when you put this into play, +$1 +1 Buy.

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Caravansary (Action - Reserve - Reaction) $4
When you put this into play, +2 Cards.

When you gain a card costing $0, you may reveal this from your hand or from play. If you do, put this on your Reserve mat.

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Town Gate (Action - Reserve) $4
Now and when you put this into play, draw until you have 6 cards in your hand.
While this is on your Reserve mat, when another player plays an Attack card, you may trash a card from your hand.

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Fruit Market (Action - Reserve) $3
You may trash card from your hand that is not a Treasure. If you don't, put this into play.

When you put this into play:
+4 Cards
+1 Buy
Trash this.

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Balcony (Action - Reserve) $5
+1 Action

When you play an Action, you may put this into play. If you do, play the Action again.
(This idea comes from the Dominion outtakes, see here.)


Cards using a non-supply pile:
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Wagoner (Action - Reserve) 0*
When you put this into play, +1 Action and return this to the Wagoner pile.
(This is not part of the supply.)
The Wagoner pile consists of 16 Wagoners.

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Traveller's Village (Action) $4
+1 Card
+1 Action
Gain a Wagoner from the Wagoner pile. Play it.

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Wainwright (Action) $5
+$3
Gain a Wagoner from the Wagoner pile.

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Fair (Action) $2
+1 Action
+$1
Every time you put a Wagoner into play this turn, +1 Card.

When you discard this from play, for each unused Action, gain a Wagoner from the Wagoner pile.

Player tokens

Each player gets a player color that is indicated by his Reserve mat. In that color, he gets 10 tokens. The tokens are put on an Action supply pile by explicit card effects. When the player plays a copy of an Action from a pile with his token, he also resolves the token effect after resolving the card text.
When a pile with tokens on it gets empty, the tokens lose their effect and are returned to the players.


Every player has 2 of the following tokens:

+1 Card.

+1 Action.

+$1 +1 Buy.

Gain a Duchy.

Gain a copy of this.


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Exploration Ship (Action) $5
When you discard this from play, you may put it back to the supply. If you do, put any of your tokens on the Exploration ship pile.

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Spearman (Action-Attack) $4
+$1
Each other player removes a "+$1 +1 Buy" token from the Spearman pile.
If he does, he gains a Curse.
Otherwise, he puts a "+$1 +1 Buy" token on the Spearman pile.


Other cool cards:
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Courier (Action - Attack) $5
+2 Cards
Each other player gains an Offering in your color from the Offering pile.
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Offering (Action) $0*
+1 Action
For you and player blue: +1 card.
Return this to the Offering pile.
(This is not in the supply.)
The Offering pile consists of 5 Offerings in each of the 6 colors.

River (Action) $3
+2 Cards
Return this to your hand.
(This one got unlikely since Asper changed this into an ancillary card now.)

Army (Action-Attack) $4
+$2
Each other player turns the top card of his deck face-up. When he would draw the face-up card, he turns it face down instead.
(Something like that could work with tokens as well.)

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Round Village (Action) $4
+1 Card
+2 Actions

When this is in play at the end your buy phase, you may pay $1. If you do, put this on top of your deck.

Treaty (Reaction) $4
When the player to your right discards an Action from play, you may reveal this from your hand and set it aside with that action card. Play that Action at the start of your next turn. When you would move it from play, put it on the discard pile of the player to your right instead, then discard this Treaty. When you discard this from your hand, you may reveal it and put it on top of your deck.


Event cards

Play with 2 random Event cards if one randomly drawn card of the kingdom is from Adventures.
Events can be bought like the other cards, but instead of gaining them, you immediately play them (they are not considered "in play" though). Events can never be gained.

The Events are:

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Market Day (Event) $1
The first time you play this in your turn, +2 Buys.
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Manipulation (Event - Attack) $1
Each other player reveals the top card of his deck and discards it if it costs $2 or more and is not a Victory card.
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Wagoner (Event) $2
Gain a Wagoner from the Wagoner pile. Play it.
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Survey (Event) $2
Look at the top 5 cards of your deck and discard any number of them. Put the rest back in any order.
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Ball (Event) $2
Look through your discard pile. Put a card from it on top of your deck.
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Round Table (Event) $2
+1 Buy. Put your deck into your discard pile.
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Offering (Event - Attack) $3
Each other player gains an Offering in your color from the Offering pile.
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Carriage (Event) $3
Place one of your +1 Action tokens on an Action pile in the supply.
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Invention (Event) $3
Place one of your +1 Card tokens on an Action pile in the supply.
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Treaty (Event) $3
Place one of your +$1 +1 Buy tokens on an Action pile in the supply.
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Accolade (Event) $3
Place one of your Gain a Duchy tokens on an Action pile in the supply.
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Scholar (Event) $3
Place one of your Gain a copy of this tokens on an Action pile in the supply.
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Remodeling (Event) $3
Trash a card from your hand. Gain a card costing up to $2 more than it.
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Holy Mass (Event) $4
Trash any number of cards you have in play.
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Expedition (Event) $4
During this cleanup phase, draw 2 additional cards.
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Reserve (Event) $4
When you discard an Action card from play during this Cleanup phase, put it on your Reserve tableau.

When an Action card is on your Reserve tableau that is not a Reserve card, you may play it during your Action phase (for free).
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Damnation (Event - Attack) $5
Each other player gains a Curse card.


Any ideas for the other half of the tokens? My guess is they will be either coin tokens (like from Guilds) or two times 15 single-card tokens (like for Embargo). Or some other way to "modify cards"?
Also, there are still a lot of slots open, maybe I will also come up with more.



Old Reserve mechanic (it got changed after player tokens where leaked):

60 Tokens, half of these are Reserve tokens.
You put Reserve tokens on a card if the card tells you to do. You can spend the token either immediately or at any future time during your Action phase to get the benefit for the token. This does not cost up an Action, but you can't spend a token after you used up all your Actions.
Cards with Reserve tokens on them are not discarded in the cleanup phase. A Reserve token looses track of the card if it leaves play otherwise, then the token is discarded.

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Granary (Action - Reserve) $5
+1 Action
Put two Reserve tokens on this. When you spend a token from this card, +$1 +1 Buy.
(Edit: Error - "now" removed)

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Caravansary (Action - Reserve) $4
Put 2 Reserve tokens on this. When you spend a token from this card, +1 Card.

While this is in play, when you gain a card costing $0, put a Reserve token on this.

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Town Gate (Action - Reserve) $4
Put a Reserve token on this. Now and when you spend the token, draw until you have 6 cards in your hand.
While this is in play, when another player plays an Attack card, you may trash a card from your hand.

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Fruit Market (Action - Reserve) $3
Put a Reserve token on this. When you spend that token:
+1 Card
+1 Action
+$1
+1 Buy
Trash this.

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Balcony (Action - Reserve) $5
+1 Action
Put a Reserve token on this.
You may spend that token when you play an Action. If you do, play the Action again.

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Prince's Chamber (Action) $4
Put a Reserve token on an Action you have in play that is not a Duration card.

When a Reserve token is on an Action that is not a Reserve card, you may spend it during your Action phase to play the Action (for free).
(Edit: Reserve mechanic instead of Duration;  Edit 2: changed cost from $3 to $4)

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Pitman (Action) $3
+2 Cards
Discard a card. When you spend X tokens from this card, gain a card costing up to $X.
While this is in play, when you discard a card other than during Cleanup, put a token on this.

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Wagoner (Action - Reserve) 0*
Put a Reserve token on this. When you spend that token, +1 Action and return this to the Wagoner pile.
(This is not part of the supply.)


Old Events:

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Adventure (Event) $1
During this cleanup phase, draw 1 additional card.
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Expedition (Event) $3
During this cleanup phase, draw 2 additional cards.
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Campaign (Event) $5
During this cleanup phase, draw 3 additional cards.
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Navigation (Event) $3
Look at the top 5 cards of your deck and discard any number of them. Put the rest back in any order.
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Ball (Event) $2
Look through your discard pile. Put a card from it on top of your deck.
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Round Table (Event) $2
+1 Buy. Put your deck into your discard pile.
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Auction (Event) $1
+1 Buy. Discard your hand. +$1 per card discarded.
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Market Day (Event) $1
The first time you play this in your turn, +2 Buys.
(Edit: Only once per turn.)
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Holy Mass (Event) $4
Trash any number of cards you have in play.
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Remodeling (Event) $3
Trash a card from your hand. Gain a card costing up to $2 more than it.
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Expanding (Event) $5
Trash a card from your hand. Gain a card costing up to $3 more than it.
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Curse (Event - Attack) $5
Each other player gains a Curse card.
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Offensive (Event - Attack) $2
Each other player discards until he has 3 cards in his hand.
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Manipulation (Event - Attack) $1
+1 Buy. Each other player reveals the top card of his deck and discards it if it costs $2 or more and is not a Victory card.
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Accolade (Event) $4
When you discard an Action card from play during this Cleanup phase, leave it in play and put a Reserve token on it.

When a Reserve token is on an Action that is not a Reserve card, you may spend it during your Action phase to play the Action (for free).
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Fair (Event) $6
Place a Reserve token on each Treasure card you have in play.

When a Reserve token is on a Tresure card, you may spend it when playing Treasures during your Buy phase to play the Treasure again.
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Parade (Event) $2
Gain a Wagoner from the Wagoner pile. Play it.
« Last Edit: March 15, 2015, 08:56:49 pm by market squire »
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Re: Dominion: Adventures^^
« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2015, 02:00:51 pm »
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No feedback at all? I mean, what do you think of my Reserve mechanic? What about the Events? Are you all among the chosen people who got to know the expansion already - or are you tired of speculations?
If you don't like that I recap other people's (or even my own) ideas, I won't hesitate to delete those from the topic.


Some small changes:

Prince's Chamber could use Reserve tokens as well so that it doesn't need to be a Duration, maybe for $4 then.
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Prince's Chamber (Action) $4
You may play an Action from your hand.
When you would discard it from play in this Cleanup phase, leave it in play instead and put a Reserve token on it.

Toll House is awkward because you can just never use the Wagoners and make the Houses super Hunting Grounds. I'd dump it, but maybe it could be fixed with other scaling or other Wagoner-gaining effects?

I thought that the Events are also considered to be cards, thus also affected by cost reduction. So +1 Buy events are problematic (except Round Table and Auction which can happen only once anyway, maybe Manipulation as well). Adventure and Market Day have to get a clause like "only once per turn".
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Re: Dominion: Adventures^^
« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2015, 10:28:48 pm »
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From my personal experience, threads with less cards get feedback more easily. That many cards are overwhelming, to me at least.
Another option would be to make hawt pics (of the cards).

I'll try to remember to take a look at your cards and give feedback to some of them tomorrow. It's a bit late today...
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Re: Dominion: Adventures^^
« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2015, 10:15:05 pm »
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Late again today, but i'll write a little something nonetheless... I'll not write something about every card, though, because i'd have to force myself to and i'm too nice to force things on people. So let's see.

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Relocate (Action - Duration) $4
Set aside a card from your hand. At the start of your next turns, as long as there is a card set aside from this, trash it and gain a card costing exactly $1 more. You may set aside the new card.

It's an interesting concept, but it's very strong in kingdoms that have a connected range of costs ($7 cards) and much worse if those are missing. anyhow, it drains piles pretty quickly if you want it to. Still, i think it's something interesting and fresh.
Edit: Given that cards costing $2, $3,$4,$5 and $6 are in every kingdom (this card itself is the $4), this is probably a bit too strong compared to Remodel as you can "Remodel" Estates into Gold. You can't use the card in the meantime, that's true, but considering it and the card you gain would be in your discard pile anyhow, i'm not sure how much this weights in.

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Transport Ship (Action - Duration) $4
+2 Cards
+1 Action

At the start of your next turn, discard down to 3 cards in your hand.

I'd limit it to 4. 3 are pretty harsh. Other than that i think a card that punishes you next turn could be something interesting. On the other hand, it might feel very unpleasant if your next turn seems like it would have been great otherwise.


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Ambush (Action-Duration) $2
Now and the next time an opponent buys a Victory card, +2 cards.

Does it stay in play until it is resolved?


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Wagoner (Action - Reserve) 0*
+1 Action
Return this to the Wagoner pile.
(This is not part of the supply.)
The Wagoner pile consists of 16 Wagoners.

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Traveller's Village (Action) $4
+1 Card
+1 Action
Gain a Wagoner from the Wagoner pile. Play it.

Isn't this just a Village that partly fails if the pile is empty? I really don't get the point of it.


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Wainwright (Action) $4
+$3
Gain a Wagoner from the Wagoner pile.

I guess the Wagoner is a drawback here? Maybe it harms you too much, but i'm not sure.


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Toll House (Action) $3
+2 Cards
+1 Card per Wagoner you have in play.

When you gain this, gain a Wagoner from the Wagoner pile.

Resembles Death Kart in a way and also reminds me of those "Bonus for Curses" cards. I never really saw one of those i liked, which i think is a bad sign for Toll House... :/


River (Action) $3
+2 Cards
Return this to your hand.

This is no doubt the most amazing card i ever read and Donald should immediately make an expansion consisting entirely of 45 piles of this.


Army (Action-Attack) $4
+$2
Each other player turns the top card of his deck face-up. When he would draw the face-up card, he turns it face down instead.
(Something like that could work with tokens as well.)

I never saw this before. Interesting concept for an attack, though it reminds me a bit of Bureaucrat, which achieves a similar thing more easily. Still a direction one could keep in mind.


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Round Village (Action) $4
+1 Card
+2 Actions

When this is in play at the end your buy phase, you may pay $1. If you do, put this on top of your deck.

I see why it doesn't say "if you have at least $1 left" - that would allow you to topdeck more than one at the same time. Still i'm not sure the concept is worth introducing an entirely new mechanic.
You could let it gain a "return" token for -$1 on play, but maybe that's not a very good idea.


Treaty (Reaction) $4
When the player to your right discards an Action from play, you may reveal this from your hand and set it aside with that action card. Play that Action at the start of your next turn. When you would move it from play, put it on the discard pile of the player to your right instead, then discard this Treaty. When you discard this from your hand, you may reveal it and put it on top of your deck.

It's a bit of a targeted attack if your opponent reshuffles - probably not more than Possession, though. Maybe use a card from the supply instead?
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Re: Dominion: Adventures^^
« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2015, 11:10:02 pm »
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How does Toll House work if Wagoner gets returned to its pile upon being played?
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Re: Dominion: Adventures^^
« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2015, 11:41:27 pm »
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I think the Wagoner confusion is stemming from the fact that unlike with other subtypes like Duration and Reaction, the Reserve cards like Wagoner don't actually seem to say on the card what they do. Rather than just playing the card and doing what it says, you have to see its Reserve type and then cross-reference what the card says with all the Reserve rules. The Reserve rules themselves should probably be incorporated into the instructions written on the Reserve cards to address this - at least enough of them to address standard play.
« Last Edit: January 20, 2015, 11:42:30 pm by TheOthin »
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Re: Dominion: Adventures^^
« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2015, 10:37:14 am »
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Thanks for your comments!

Okay, I see that my Reserve mechanic is too far away from basic Dominion and not likely to come up in the real set.
If I put the rules on each card, it would be like:
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Theater (Action - Reserve) $4
You may put a Reserve token on this.
If you do, stop playing this; during your Action phase, you may spend a Reserve token from this card to continue playing this.
+2 Cards
Trash a card from your hand.

At this point, I can't really think of a better Reserve concept than Activation cards, or cards setting itself aside on the mat.

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Relocate (Action - Duration) $4
Set aside a card from your hand. At the start of your next turns, as long as there is a card set aside from this, trash it and gain a card costing exactly $1 more. You may set aside the new card.

It's an interesting concept, but it's very strong in kingdoms that have a connected range of costs ($7 cards) and much worse if those are missing. anyhow, it drains piles pretty quickly if you want it to. Still, i think it's something interesting and fresh.
Edit: Given that cards costing $2, $3,$4,$5 and $6 are in every kingdom (this card itself is the $4), this is probably a bit too strong compared to Remodel as you can "Remodel" Estates into Gold. You can't use the card in the meantime, that's true, but considering it and the card you gain would be in your discard pile anyhow, i'm not sure how much this weights in.
The real strength of Remodel is being able to trade Gold for Province.
So both would have ups and downs. The $4 cost self-combo is intended, so it wouldn't really work at another cost. Maybe it could be a thing that you don't trash the card but put it back to the supply? Another tweak to make it slower would be making it dependent of other events, like every time you shuffle, or every time you gain a Gold or something, but I like the start-of-turn simplicity here.
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Transport Ship (Action - Duration) $4
+2 Cards
+1 Action

At the start of your next turn, discard down to 3 cards in your hand.

I'd limit it to 4. 3 are pretty harsh. Other than that i think a card that punishes you next turn could be something interesting. On the other hand, it might feel very unpleasant if your next turn seems like it would have been great otherwise.
Have you realized that they stack, but the self-attack doesn't?
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Ambush (Action-Duration) $2
Now and the next time an opponent buys a Victory card, +2 cards.

Does it stay in play until it is resolved?
It does, it is discarded in the cleanup phase of the opponent who bought green.
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Wagoner (Action - Reserve) 0*
+1 Action
Return this to the Wagoner pile.
(This is not part of the supply.)
The Wagoner pile consists of 16 Wagoners.

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Traveller's Village (Action) $4
+1 Card
+1 Action
Gain a Wagoner from the Wagoner pile. Play it.

Isn't this just a Village that partly fails if the pile is empty? I really don't get the point of it.
As TheOthin pointed out, you can use Wagoner's Action whenever you want because it is a Reserve card. The Reserve tokens work as "Action tokens" here.
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Wainwright (Action) $4
+$3
Gain a Wagoner from the Wagoner pile.

I guess the Wagoner is a drawback here? Maybe it harms you too much, but i'm not sure.
It is a bit of a drawback, but it can help you as well (see above).
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Toll House (Action) $3
+2 Cards
+1 Card per Wagoner you have in play.

When you gain this, gain a Wagoner from the Wagoner pile.

Resembles Death Kart in a way and also reminds me of those "Bonus for Curses" cards. I never really saw one of those i liked, which i think is a bad sign for Toll House... :/

Again, Wagoner is not to be considered a Curse because it is not more in your deck once you played it.
How does Toll House work if Wagoner gets returned to its pile upon being played?

You don't have to resolve Wagoner's effect - so you can just stack Wagoners to draw lots of cards with the Toll Houses. But this is too strong, as i said before.

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River (Action) $3
+2 Cards
Return this to your hand.

This is no doubt the most amazing card i ever read and Donald should immediately make an expansion consisting entirely of 45 piles of this.
That would be soo awesome! ;D

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Round Village (Action) $4
+1 Card
+2 Actions

When this is in play at the end your buy phase, you may pay $1. If you do, put this on top of your deck.

I see why it doesn't say "if you have at least $1 left" - that would allow you to topdeck more than one at the same time. Still i'm not sure the concept is worth introducing an entirely new mechanic.
You could let it gain a "return" token for -$1 on play, but maybe that's not a very good idea.
Yeah, this is an idea. I really don't know what to do whith 60 tokens...
But wait... maybe it is just 10 tokens per player, introducing player colors to Dominion :o

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Treaty (Reaction) $4
When the player to your right discards an Action from play, you may reveal this from your hand and set it aside with that action card. Play that Action at the start of your next turn. When you would move it from play, put it on the discard pile of the player to your right instead, then discard this Treaty. When you discard this from your hand, you may reveal it and put it on top of your deck.

It's a bit of a targeted attack if your opponent reshuffles - probably not more than Possession, though. Maybe use a card from the supply instead?
I don't think that is a noticeable effect. It is as much a targeted attack as Tribute.
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Re: Dominion: Adventures^^
« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2015, 06:47:12 pm »
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Transport Ship (Action - Duration) $4
+2 Cards
+1 Action

At the start of your next turn, discard down to 3 cards in your hand.
It seems like this is going to be fine at 3$.  That may seem dangerous on the surface, since the punishment doesn't stack so it seems like the card stacks with itself really well a-la Minion.  But the hidden weakness of seaside cards, missed reshuffles, is exacerbated by buying lots of labs, and this happens to be a lab.  It actually won't stack with itself that well in very high numbers.
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Re: Dominion: Adventures^^
« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2015, 06:48:19 pm »
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I think it's hilarious you built an entire mechanic around ruined village
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Re: Dominion: Adventures^^
« Reply #9 on: January 22, 2015, 06:28:43 am »
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So I've come up with another take on the Reserve mechanic.

I thought my first version was very simple because you could shelve the effect of the whole card. That meant that you could easily make normal Actions Reserve actions just by placing a Reserve token on it (which would adress the 'tokens that modify cards' hint). It also meant that the Reserve effect is throneable - this is not easy to track otherwise.
BUT. This means that normal Reserve cards would be all the same: Use an Action to play a card without any effect; do a super powerful effect later (this is especially strong with +Cards - see Wharf).
I tried to do some different things with it, but the basic concept seems to be too restrictive here.

So I guess the Reserve cards will have effects both "on play" and "on reserve".

New Reserve Rules:
You put tokens on a card if the card tells you to do. You can spend the token either immeadiately or at any future time during your Action phase before you have used up your Actions. The card tells you what happens when you spend a token.
(Cards with Reserve tokens on them are not discarded in the cleanup phase. A Reserve token looses track of the card if it leaves play otherwise, then the token is discarded.)


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Town Gate (Action - Reserve) $4
Put a Reserve token on this. Now and when you spend the token, draw until you have 6 cards in your hand.
While this is in play, when another player plays an Attack card, you may trash a card from your hand.

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Granary (Action - Reserve) $5
+1 Action
Put two Reserve tokens on this. Now and when you spend the token, +$1 +1 Buy.

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Fruit Market (Action - Reserve) $3
Put a Reserve token on this. When you spend that token:
+1 Card
+1 Action
+$1
+1 Buy
Trash this.

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Wagoner (Action - Reserve) 0*
Put a Reserve token on this. When you spend that token, +1 Action and return this to the Wagoner pile.
(This is not part of the supply.)

This one would fit here, too:
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Balcony (Action - Reserve) $5
+1 Action
Put a Reserve token on this.
You may spend that token when you play an Action. If you do, play the Action again.

The new Prince's Chamber and the Events Accolade and Fair don't work with that concept because you don't know what a token on a non-Reserve card means. Maybe we could do it anyway, putting the old rules on the cards?

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Prince's Chamber (Action) $4
You may play an Action from your hand.
When you would discard it from play in this Cleanup phase, leave it in play instead and put a Reserve token on it.

When a Reserve token is on a card that is not a Reserve card, you may spend it during your Action phase to play the Action (for free).

Theater and Savings look boring with that new concept.
But it opens space for new cards that I may add later.
Or maybe you have a good Reserve token idea?
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Re: Dominion: Adventures^^
« Reply #10 on: January 22, 2015, 09:48:13 am »
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Donjon (Action-Duration) $5
+4 Cards
Set aside one card from your hand. Discard it when you shuffle the next time (don't shuffle it in).

Do you get +4 Cards forever?  Sounds excessively strong.
And what is the point with discarding the set aside card from your hand?  Is there an idea that I am missing?

Just curious :)
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Re: Dominion: Adventures^^
« Reply #11 on: January 22, 2015, 10:24:32 am »
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Donjon (Action-Duration) $5
+4 Cards
Set aside one card from your hand. Discard it when you shuffle the next time (don't shuffle it in).

Do you get +4 Cards forever?  Sounds excessively strong.
And what is the point with discarding the set aside card from your hand?  Is there an idea that I am missing?

Just curious :)

"Duration" does not imply "do this at the start of a future turn" but "this does something in a future turn, so leave this out until it is done". Only when you play Donjon you get the +4 cards. You also set aside a card that will miss the next shuffle together with Donjon - this can be useful if it is a Victory card or something else that is annoying to draw. What you do in the future is just discarding that annoying card after you've shuffled. So Donjon itself will be discarded in the Cleanup phase of the turn when you shuffle the next time.
If you click on the link, this is the Duration version of my "queue pile" concept which lets you make cards miss the shuffle on purpose.
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Re: Dominion: Adventures^^
« Reply #12 on: January 22, 2015, 03:48:32 pm »
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I actually believe more in the theory that the mats will contain reserve cards that can be played in the middle of later turns.  The reserve token thing works largely the same but the play area is more cluttered that way.

I also speculate that it's possible reserve cards won't be a part of your deck, you'll use them once then return them to the supply or trash them.  So there will be stacks of 1$ Necropolis's that go to the reserve mat on purchase, or pricey terminals that let you put action cards of your choosing onto your reserve mat for the next time you're in a pinch.
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« Reply #13 on: January 23, 2015, 03:36:52 am »
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Donjon (Action-Duration) $5
+4 Cards
Set aside one card from your hand. Discard it when you shuffle the next time (don't shuffle it in).

Do you get +4 Cards forever?  Sounds excessively strong.
And what is the point with discarding the set aside card from your hand?  Is there an idea that I am missing?

Just curious :)

"Duration" does not imply "do this at the start of a future turn" but "this does something in a future turn, so leave this out until it is done". Only when you play Donjon you get the +4 cards. You also set aside a card that will miss the next shuffle together with Donjon - this can be useful if it is a Victory card or something else that is annoying to draw. What you do in the future is just discarding that annoying card after you've shuffled. So Donjon itself will be discarded in the Cleanup phase of the turn when you shuffle the next time.
If you click on the link, this is the Duration version of my "queue pile" concept which lets you make cards miss the shuffle on purpose.

Yes, you are correct of course.  I read it as "At the start of each of your turns, +4 Cards" as I have been creating my own fan cards with similar ideas.  And putting a useless card side is a good thing, I guess I just expected something even better :)  Thanks for the explanation! 
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« Reply #14 on: January 23, 2015, 11:08:47 am »
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I actually believe more in the theory that the mats will contain reserve cards that can be played in the middle of later turns.  The reserve token thing works largely the same but the play area is more cluttered that way.

I also speculate that it's possible reserve cards won't be a part of your deck, you'll use them once then return them to the supply or trash them.  So there will be stacks of 1$ Necropolis's that go to the reserve mat on purchase, or pricey terminals that let you put action cards of your choosing onto your reserve mat for the next time you're in a pinch.

Thank you for your thoughts!  :)

Here's why I think Reserve tokens are more likely than a general Reserve mat:
A) Space. If the mats are Seaside-sized, multiple Reserve cards would have to be stacked which is not very clear. If the mats were larger, you wouldn't need all that space in games with only one Reserve card in the kingdom.
B) Mechanics. A mat is a binary information (the card can be either on the mat or not) while you can stack tokens - so you can throne your Reserve effect as well or can do things like Granary that gives you multiple Reserve activations.
C) 60 tokens! I mean, these have to have a more general function, otherwise there wouldn't be so many of them.

I guess that Reserve cards go into the deck like oneshots because in a deckbuilder, it would not be nice to have a kingdom with mostly cards that don't go into your deck.
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« Reply #15 on: January 23, 2015, 01:58:22 pm »
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I actually believe more in the theory that the mats will contain reserve cards that can be played in the middle of later turns.  The reserve token thing works largely the same but the play area is more cluttered that way.

I also speculate that it's possible reserve cards won't be a part of your deck, you'll use them once then return them to the supply or trash them.  So there will be stacks of 1$ Necropolis's that go to the reserve mat on purchase, or pricey terminals that let you put action cards of your choosing onto your reserve mat for the next time you're in a pinch.

Thank you for your thoughts!  :)

Here's why I think Reserve tokens are more likely than a general Reserve mat:
A) Space. If the mats are Seaside-sized, multiple Reserve cards would have to be stacked which is not very clear. If the mats were larger, you wouldn't need all that space in games with only one Reserve card in the kingdom.
B) Mechanics. A mat is a binary information (the card can be either on the mat or not) while you can stack tokens - so you can throne your Reserve effect as well or can do things like Granary that gives you multiple Reserve activations.
C) 60 tokens! I mean, these have to have a more general function, otherwise there wouldn't be so many of them.

I guess that Reserve cards go into the deck like oneshots because in a deckbuilder, it would not be nice to have a kingdom with mostly cards that don't go into your deck.
Well I am with you on the last count. 
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« Reply #16 on: January 25, 2015, 01:30:12 pm »
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I thought about simplifying Prince's Chamber. The cleanup phase thing was just to prevent you from putting a token on a Duration. So what about explicitly excluding Durations, since those will be in the set anyway?
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Prince's Chamber (Action) $3
Put a Reserve token on an Action you have in play that is not a Duration card.

When a Reserve token is on an Action that is not a Reserve card, you may spend it during your Action phase to play the Action (for free).
This has more in common with Scheme. You can also put the token on the Chamber itself to use its effect later.

Well, this comes close to:
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Balcony (Action - Reserve) $5
+1 Action
Put a Reserve token on this.
You may spend that token when you play an Action. If you do, play the Action again.
But I will leave both cards here for now.


There could be cards that let you aquire more tokens via themselves, like:
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Caravansary (Action - Reserve) $4
Put 2 Reserve tokens on this. When you spend a token from this card, +1 Card.
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While this is in play, when you gain a card costing $0, put a Reserve token on this.
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« Reply #17 on: January 27, 2015, 11:36:35 am »
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I like Caravansary.
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« Reply #18 on: January 29, 2015, 10:49:25 pm »
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Relocate (Action - Duration) $4
Set aside a card from your hand. At the start of your next turns, as long as there is a card set aside from this, trash it and gain a card costing exactly $1 more. You may set aside the new card.

"At the start of your next turns" is grammatically incorrect... it should be "At the starts...", which still sounds weird.  I suggest, "At the start of each of your future turns."

So this is a duration that slowly upgrades a card.  Sounds OK.  Not sure if it would be strong or weak.  I lean towards weak, but not egregiously so.

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Transport Ship (Action - Duration) $3
+2 Cards
+1 Action

At the start of your next turn, discard down to 3 cards in your hand.

This seems strong.  The thing is, these are cheap labs that you can spam because you are only really penalized from the first copy.  Moreover, this card gives you one better turn by weakening another turn, and it does so by giving you a bigger/smaller hand size.  Tactician already does that in a more interesting way.

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Ambush (Action-Duration) $2
Now and the next time an opponent buys a Victory card, +2 cards.

Just FYI, Dominion cards actually don't refer to opponents, only "other players".  This is kind of an odd card.  In many games you can get some early and then they disappear from your deck until greening begins.  Then you suddenly get a bigger hand and you have a bunch of buyless almost-Wharves.  It sounds OK to me.

Donjon (Action-Duration) $5
+4 Cards
Set aside one card from your hand. Discard it when you shuffle the next time (don't shuffle it in).

I'm guessing that the intended effect is that Donjon stays in play with the set-aside card until you shuffle, at which point both miss the shuffle.  I think the wording could be clearer:

"Set aside a card from your hand.  After the next time you shuffle your deck, discard this and the card you set aside."

Sounds alright.

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Granary (Action - Reserve) $5
+1 Action
Put two Reserve tokens on this. Now and when you spend the token, +$1 +1 Buy.

Should say "when you spend a token".  I like the idea of using reserve tokens for extended durations.

Though it doesn't seem like it at first, this card is probably undercosted.  You said you can spend the tokens immediately, which means that this card can non-terminally generate +$3, +3 Buys.  That is way better than Gold even without considering the option to save money and buys for when you need them!  This is probably more like a $7 card.

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Caravansary (Action - Reserve) $4
Put 2 Reserve tokens on this. When you spend a token from this card, +1 Card.
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While this is in play, when you gain a card costing $0, put a Reserve token on this.

Seems alright.  The "while in play" is pretty interesting.  You probably want a bunch in play in games with Cursing, especially with Mountebank and IGG.  Could be killer with Beggar.  Also could be very good with cost reduction.

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Town Gate (Action - Reserve) $4
Put a Reserve token on this. Now and when you spend the token, draw until you have 6 cards in your hand.
While this is in play, when another player plays an Attack card, you may trash a card from your hand.

Sounds pretty good as well.  I am impressed by how most of the cards in this set seem quite reasonable.

It should be noted that the reaction will probably cause confusion with Torturer.  I bet many people would try to gain the Curse from Torturer and then immediately trash it, but correct timing would not allow that.

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Fruit Market (Action - Reserve) $3
Put a Reserve token on this. When you spend that token:
+1 Card
+1 Action
+$1
+1 Buy
Trash this.

Not that fond of it.  One-shots should do something more exciting, I think.  While this could be very useful, it just doesn't feel splashy enough.

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Balcony (Action - Reserve) $5
+1 Action
Put a Reserve token on this.
You may spend that token when you play an Action. If you do, play the Action again.

A throne room that waits.  I think this is powerful enough that $5 is probably too low.  Hard to say though.  But just imagine how it meshes with King's Court.  Speaking of which, it could get really confusing if you use Balcony to interrupt a card that plays another card.  It may help if you tweak the timing to say "you may spend that token after you play an Action".  That is probably what you meant anyway.

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Prince's Chamber (Action) $3
Put a Reserve token on an Action you have in play that is not a Duration card.

When a Reserve token is on an Action that is not a Reserve card, you may spend it during your Action phase to play the Action (for free).

This can almost emulate Throne Room, though in a (probably) slightly weaker way.  But it can also be more flexible, so I'd say that this should be at least $4.

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Wagoner (Action - Reserve) 0*
Put a Reserve token on this. When you spend that token, +1 Action and return this to the Wagoner pile.
(This is not part of the supply.)

This is basically a way to use Reserve tokens as "action tokens".  I don't know if it's worth 16 cards to do that.

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Traveller's Village (Action) $4
+1 Card
+1 Action
Gain a Wagoner from the Wagoner pile. Play it.

A village if you want it to be, or you can hold onto the action for later.  I think the flexibility might be enough to cost $5, but I'm not at all sure.

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Wainwright (Action) $4
+$3
Gain a Wagoner from the Wagoner pile.

Even without the Wagoner bit, this is a terminal gold.  That is too strong for $4, and arguably too strong for $5 as well.

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Toll House (Action) $3
+2 Cards
+$1 per Wagoner you have in play.

When you gain this, gain a Wagoner from the Wagoner pile.

Questionable, especially in combination with a better way of gaining Wagoners like Traveller's Village.  It would be like Pirate Ship except easier to build up, without helping your opponents on the way.

River (Action) $3
+2 Cards
Return this to your hand.

I think the conversation in that thread is enough.  It's a fine card. :P

Army (Action-Attack) $4
+$2
Each other player turns the top card of his deck face-up. When he would draw the face-up card, he turns it face down instead.

Already commented on this in the other thread.

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Round Village (Action) $4
+1 Card
+2 Actions

When this is in play at the end your buy phase, you may pay $1. If you do, put this on top of your deck.

Steps on the toes of Walled Village. :(  Also, this might be good enough to cost $5.  Not sure.

Treaty (Reaction) $4
When the player to your right discards an Action from play, you may reveal this from your hand and set it aside with that action card. Play that Action at the start of your next turn. When you would move it from play, put it on the discard pile of the player to your right instead, then discard this Treaty. When you discard this from your hand, you may reveal it and put it on top of your deck.

It sounds OK.  The conversation in that thread is good.

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Event cards
Play with 2 random Event cards if one randomly drawn card of the kingdom is from Adventures.
Events can be bought like the other cards, but instead of gaining them, you immediately play them (they are not considered "in play" though). Events can never be gained.

What does that mean?  Events are used any time at least one Adventures card is in the kingdom?  Randomly choose in the same way Platinum/Colony and Ruins are included?

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The Events are:

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Adventure (Event) $1
During this cleanup phase, draw 1 additional card.
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Expedition (Event) $3
During this cleanup phase, draw 2 additional cards.
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Campaign (Event) $5
During this cleanup phase, draw 3 additional cards.
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Navigation (Event) $3
Look at the top 5 cards of your deck and discard any number of them. Put the rest back in any order.
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Ball (Event) $2
Look through your discard pile. Put a card from it on top of your deck.
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Round Table (Event) $2
+1 Buy. Put your deck into your discard pile.
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Auction (Event) $1
+1 Buy. Discard your hand. +$1 per card discarded.
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Market Day (Event) $1
+2 Buys.
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Holy Mass (Event) $4
Trash any number of cards you have in play.
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Remodeling (Event) $3
Trash a card from your hand. Gain a card costing up to $2 more than it.
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Expanding (Event) $5
Trash a card from your hand. Gain a card costing up to $3 more than it.
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Curse (Event - Attack) $5
Each other player gains a Curse card.
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Offensive (Event - Attack) $2
Each other player discards until he has 3 cards in his hand.
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Manipulation (Event - Attack) $1
+1 Buy. Each other player reveals the top card of his deck and discards it if it costs $2 or more and is not a Victory card.
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Accolade (Event) $4
When you discard an Action card from play during this Cleanup phase, leave it in play and put a Reserve token on it.

When a Reserve token is on an Action that is not a Reserve card, you may spend it during your Action phase to play the Action (for free).
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Fair (Event) $6
Place a Reserve token on each Treasure card you have in play.

When a Reserve token is on a Tresure card, you may spend it when playing Treasures during your Buy phase to play the Treasure again.
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Parade (Event) $2
Gain a Wagoner from the Wagoner pile. Play it.

Tough to evaluate these.  I don't think all 3 of Adventure, Expedition and Campaign need to exist; one is enough.

Navigation is closer to Cartography!

Ball is too similar to Herald's overpay.

Auction seems too easy to use.  I don't think there's a way to fix it.  Without +1 Buy, it's a pointless Event in a kingdom without +Buy.  With it, it's usually a no-brainer as to whether or not to use it.

Market Day seems fine.

Holy Mass is basically a less interesting, easier-to-use variation on Mint.

I think Remodeling and Expanding are too similar to Farmland.

Curse should really have a different name, and I think it's too similar to IGG.

Offensive is probably not a fun card, according to Donald's playtesting.  From the secret history of Hinterlands:

Quote from: Donald X.
Maybe it's for the best that you'll never experience the joy of a when-gain discard-based attack just sitting there, promising that any hand you draw might be taken away, even if no-one has even bought the card yet.

Manipulation would be better without the +1 Buy.  Otherwise, it's another no-brainer decision whenever you have extra coin that isn't otherwise needed.

Accolade seems fine.

Fair is another Event that can act like Mint.  More importantly though, it is easily broken when you have an engine that can generate at least +1 Buy each turn.  Or Counterfeit, or the Market Day event.  All you need is to get $6 worth of Treasure in play.  That's just 2 Gold, or maybe your starting Copper.  Anything beyond that is pure profit.  At the start of your buy phase, play all your reserved treasures and any treasures in your hand.  Buy Fair to re-reserve all your treasures.  Repeat forever!  Now you have an engine that is unclogged with treasure, but still has the benefit of those treasures every single turn.

I don't think any of these events fulfills the last line of the description for Adventures: "There are also 20 Event cards that give you something to buy besides cards, including tokens that modify cards."  This gave me a very specific idea, which I think I will try to post later.



Overall, I think the ideas here are pretty neat!  I haven't read all the other commentary (and I don't think I'll have time right now) but, just skimming it, it sounds like you've already tweaked your Reserve mechanism significantly based on feedback.
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Re: Dominion: Adventures^^
« Reply #19 on: January 30, 2015, 08:02:32 am »
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Thank you so much for commenting! :)
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Transport Ship (Action - Duration) $3
+2 Cards
+1 Action

At the start of your next turn, discard down to 3 cards in your hand.

This seems strong.  The thing is, these are cheap labs that you can spam because you are only really penalized from the first copy.  Moreover, this card gives you one better turn by weakening another turn, and it does so by giving you a bigger/smaller hand size.  Tactician already does that in a more interesting way.
I had it at $4 first, but pops pointed out:
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Transport Ship (Action - Duration) $4
+2 Cards
+1 Action

At the start of your next turn, discard down to 3 cards in your hand.
It seems like this is going to be fine at 3$.  That may seem dangerous on the surface, since the punishment doesn't stack so it seems like the card stacks with itself really well a-la Minion.  But the hidden weakness of seaside cards, missed reshuffles, is exacerbated by buying lots of labs, and this happens to be a lab.  It actually won't stack with itself that well in very high numbers.

You are right about Tactician, but I still think there will be something alike. It is the nature of Durations.
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Donjon (Action-Duration) $5
+4 Cards
Set aside one card from your hand. Discard it when you shuffle the next time (don't shuffle it in).

I'm guessing that the intended effect is that Donjon stays in play with the set-aside card until you shuffle, at which point both miss the shuffle.  I think the wording could be clearer:

"Set aside a card from your hand.  After the next time you shuffle your deck, discard this and the card you set aside."

Sounds alright.
I changed the wording (also for Relocate and Ambush), just without "discard this". You discard Donjon in the next cleanup phase, otherwise you could play it multiple times a turn (which is reserved for River).

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Granary (Action - Reserve) $5
+1 Action
Put two Reserve tokens on this. Now and when you spend the token, +$1 +1 Buy.

Should say "when you spend a token".  I like the idea of using reserve tokens for extended durations.

Though it doesn't seem like it at first, this card is probably undercosted.  You said you can spend the tokens immediately, which means that this card can non-terminally generate +$3, +3 Buys.  That is way better than Gold even without considering the option to save money and buys for when you need them!  This is probably more like a $7 card.
Oops, forget the "now", it is meant to be
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Granary (Action - Reserve) $5
+1 Action
Put two Reserve tokens on this. When you spend a token from this card, +$1 +1 Buy.
Maybe it needs some effect to gain more tokens like Caravansary then? Maybe "While this is in play, when you shuffle, put a token on this"? That would be strictly better than Market though. Hmm.

Looking though the Dominion Outtakes, it could be something interactive like "Toll Road" (in the bottom row of the Guilds outtakes):
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Granary (Action - Reserve) $5
+1 Action
For each card the player to your right gained his last turn, put a Reserve token on this. When you spend a token from this card, +$1 +1 Buy.

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Fruit Market (Action - Reserve) $3
Put a Reserve token on this. When you spend that token:
+1 Card
+1 Action
+$1
+1 Buy
Trash this.

Not that fond of it.  One-shots should do something more exciting, I think.  While this could be very useful, it just doesn't feel splashy enough.
This wants to be a Megaturn enabler. Maybe it shouldn't give something of everything but rather huge carddraw, like Madman?
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Fruit Market (Action - Reserve) $3
Put a Reserve token on this. When you spend that token:
+4 Cards
+1 Buy
Trash this.

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Balcony (Action - Reserve) $5
+1 Action
Put a Reserve token on this.
You may spend that token when you play an Action. If you do, play the Action again.

A throne room that waits.  I think this is powerful enough that $5 is probably too low.  Hard to say though.  But just imagine how it meshes with King's Court.  Speaking of which, it could get really confusing if you use Balcony to interrupt a card that plays another card.  It may help if you tweak the timing to say "you may spend that token after you play an Action".  That is probably what you meant anyway.
The idea is from Donald's Dark Ages Outtakes ("Procession" in the lower right corner). He said it was fine, it just required a mat.
That Procession required a mat. With a mat it would have worked fine. I prefer the mat to making them duration cards. The mat keeps it out of the way so you aren't accidentally discarding it. Throning the earlier Procession just didn't do much - you fail to set it aside again and that's it.


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Prince's Chamber (Action) $3
Put a Reserve token on an Action you have in play that is not a Duration card.

When a Reserve token is on an Action that is not a Reserve card, you may spend it during your Action phase to play the Action (for free).

This can almost emulate Throne Room, though in a (probably) slightly weaker way.  But it can also be more flexible, so I'd say that this should be at least $4.
Throne Room gives +2 Actions virtually, this one only gives you +1 Action (because you must have played the other Action before). The big advantage here is that you can play the Action any time you want (e.g. Smithy on the start of a turn). So maybe it should cost $4. Anyways, that is not a huge difference. I'll change it.

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Wainwright (Action) $4
+$3
Gain a Wagoner from the Wagoner pile.

Even without the Wagoner bit, this is a terminal gold.  That is too strong for $4, and arguably too strong for $5 as well.
Wagoner is a drawback here. It goes into your next shuffe and will be a dead card. Basically it is "+$3, -1 card in your next shuffle".

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Toll House (Action) $3
+2 Cards
+$1 per Wagoner you have in play.

When you gain this, gain a Wagoner from the Wagoner pile.

Questionable, especially in combination with a better way of gaining Wagoners like Traveller's Village.  It would be like Pirate Ship except easier to build up, without helping your opponents on the way.
Yes, this is the first card that I would cancel.
Maybe I'll come up with more appealing ways to use Wagoner.

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Event cards
Play with 2 random Event cards if one randomly drawn card of the kingdom is from Adventures.
Events can be bought like the other cards, but instead of gaining them, you immediately play them (they are not considered "in play" though). Events can never be gained.

What does that mean?  Events are used any time at least one Adventures card is in the kingdom?  Randomly choose in the same way Platinum/Colony and Ruins Shelters are included?
The latter.

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Tough to evaluate these.  I don't think all 3 of Adventure, Expedition and Campaign need to exist; one is enough.

Navigation is closer to Cartography!

Ball is too similar to Herald's overpay.

Auction seems too easy to use.  I don't think there's a way to fix it.  Without +1 Buy, it's a pointless Event in a kingdom without +Buy.  With it, it's usually a no-brainer as to whether or not to use it.

Market Day seems fine.

Holy Mass is basically a less interesting, easier-to-use variation on Mint.

I think Remodeling and Expanding are too similar to Farmland.

Curse should really have a different name, and I think it's too similar to IGG.

Offensive is probably not a fun card, according to Donald's playtesting.  From the secret history of Hinterlands:

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Maybe it's for the best that you'll never experience the joy of a when-gain discard-based attack just sitting there, promising that any hand you draw might be taken away, even if no-one has even bought the card yet.

Manipulation would be better without the +1 Buy.  Otherwise, it's another no-brainer decision whenever you have extra coin that isn't otherwise needed.

Accolade seems fine.

Fair is another Event that can act like Mint.  More importantly though, it is easily broken when you have an engine that can generate at least +1 Buy each turn.  Or Counterfeit, or the Market Day event.  All you need is to get $6 worth of Treasure in play.  That's just 2 Gold, or maybe your starting Copper.  Anything beyond that is pure profit.  At the start of your buy phase, play all your reserved treasures and any treasures in your hand.  Buy Fair to re-reserve all your treasures.  Repeat forever!  Now you have an engine that is unclogged with treasure, but still has the benefit of those treasures every single turn.

I don't think any of these events fulfills the last line of the description for Adventures: "There are also 20 Event cards that give you something to buy besides cards, including tokens that modify cards."  This gave me a very specific idea, which I think I will try to post later.

I think redoing the on-gain of IGG, Herald, and Farmland as Events is totally worth it. It is quite different and takes just one card slot.
Having low-priced events without +1 Buy makes me a bit nervous because they are almost dead in buy-lacking games.
Auction is intended to be more a rule than a tough card: "In games using this, each card left in your hand but one is worth $1."

LFNs Floodgate could also be an Event:
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Floodgate (Event) $3
Set aside up to 4 cards from your hand. Put them into your hand at the start of your next turn.

I'm very curious about your take on the Events.
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Re: Dominion: Adventures^^
« Reply #20 on: February 08, 2015, 02:24:11 pm »
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Another token acquisition idea:

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Pitman (Action) $3

+2 Cards
Discard a card. When you spend X tokens from this card, gain a card costing up to $X.
While this is in play, when you discard a card other than during Cleanup, put a token on this.
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Re: Dominion: Adventures^^
« Reply #21 on: February 12, 2015, 05:20:06 pm »
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Transport Ship -- I still think $4 would be a more appropriate price, but I concede that it's funky enough that there I am not sure at all.

Donjon -- I'm still confused about the timing on this.  As it is written right now, Donjon would get discarded in the cleanup phase of the turn you play it.  It has no duration effect at all.  Do you mean that it should remain in play until you shuffle, then still remain in play until the cleanup phase after that?  The wording needs to be tweaked, but I'm not sure how.

Granary -- so it's still a non-terminal +$2, +2 Buy.  It's a silver with +2 Buy that you could potentially partially save for later.  I don't know, still not a fan.  I don't think you really need to use reserve tokens for saving coins, because that's so similar to coin tokens.  The "Toll Road" version might be more interesting.

Fruit Market -- this is more exciting, but I worry that it makes it too easy to mega-turn.  Madman is a lot like that, but you have to go through more hoops to make it work.

Wainwright -- ehh, I guess?  Seems like a pretty minor drawback though.  Wagoner still makes it effectively non-terminal if you want it to be (other than the first time you play it).  $5 still seems more appropriate to me.  Most action-gold cards sit at $5 with a drawback.

Everything else -- fair enough!

Pitman -- interesting.  I like it.

After the new information, I think my idea for events is more likely.  To be clear, my idea is more for a specific type of event, rather than an idea for what events are in general.  My next post here will be about that (too lazy to make my own thread; I hope that's ok).
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Re: Dominion: Adventures^^
« Reply #22 on: February 12, 2015, 05:48:02 pm »
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This is the 9th addition to the game of Dominion. It has 400 cards, 6 mats, and 60 tokens. There are 30 new Kingdom cards, including the return of Duration cards that do things on future turns, plus Reserve cards that can be saved for the right moment. There are also 20 Event cards that give you something to buy besides cards, including tokens that modify cards.

My thought is mainly about that last line -- tokens that modify cards, which are things you can buy via events.  I figured that there would be a common supply of tokens which would modify cards for all players, but the recent reveal that there are player colours makes it even more compelling.

I don't know how Events will be incorporated.  Maybe they will just be things chosen at the start of the game, as you described in the OP.  Maybe there will be specific cards that trigger events. 

Anyway, I figure there will be an event that lets players buy "Progress Tokens" (arbitrary name here).  You put the token on a card in the supply (maybe restricted to action cards, maybe not).  Copies of cards have the bonuses associated with tokens on their supply pile.  I suppose they should only last while the card is still in the supply, but maybe you could keep the effects and trust that people can remember, or you could use the randomizers maybe.

In my original idea, I also figured that the cost of the cards should increase by $1 for each token on them.  But with player colours, it's simpler.  You pay the upfront cost for the token and the benefit is only for you.  If it's only a blue token on the card, only the blue player gets that bonus.

There are 10 tokens for each player.  So what could the effects be?  The vanilla bonuses are 4 obvious ones.  Another obvious one is a token that makes each copy of the card worth 1VP more.  You could also have a simple cost reduction token.  An interesting bonus would be a cost increase, which is only a bonus in combination with TfB (or Border Village).  Maybe a token could add "trash a card" as an effect.  Maybe a token could transform a card into a Reserve card, whatever that means.  A token could make the card untrashable like Fortress.  Or a token could give a card the Moat reaction.  There are many possibilities, though they should be kept simple.

For clarity -- the effects of tokens on a card should be resolved before you resolve the actual card text, for the tokens that give it bonuses on play.  This is just to make it easier to track things (think tokens on KC).

These token shenanigans need not be restricted to event cards.  For example, here's one idea:

Circus
$4 - Action
Swap one of your Progress tokens on a Supply pile with another from your reserve.

Setup: Each player randomly places 3 of their Progress tokens on the Circus Supply pile.

Clarifications:
- Need better wording; "reserve" isn't great here because it could be confused with the Reserve mechanic, whatever it is.
- You would get the current Circus bonuses before having to swap a Progress token.  The swap is mandatory, and it could indeed change Circus does between plays.
- As currently written, the setup means each player's Circus could be different.  The rule could be changed so that all players start with the same 3 tokens on the card though.

Anyway, that's my idea.  As a quick addendum, I figure that Reserve cards will be pretty simple.  I figure they'll be like long-lasting Durations that trigger when you want them to trigger.  That is, when you play a Reserve card, it goes directly to your Reserve mat.  You can play a card from your Reserve mat for free at any time during your turn (other than in the middle of resolving another action, of course).  Maybe some of them will have an effect when you first play them, and maybe some will have a while-in-reserve effect that could be good or bad.
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Re: Dominion: Adventures^^
« Reply #23 on: February 13, 2015, 06:29:34 am »
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And I thought this would just be a bad joke...
But wait... maybe it is just 10 tokens per player, introducing player colors to Dominion :o

Well, that turns things around.

On the Reserve mechanic/ mat: As there are no "Reserve tokens", the Reserve cards have to work by setting themseves aside. The mats will indicate the player color and contain all cards with future effects. My wish would be having the mats just as a "border", separating future Durations and Reserves from the regular play area.

New Reserve Rules:
When a Reserve card is played, you don't put it into play but on your Reserve mat. Either immediately or at any future time during your Action phase, you may put it into play which will trigger the "when you put this in play" effect. You can put a Reserve card from the mat into play whenever you'd regularly be able to play an Action from your hand. This does not use up an Action though.

My cards would then look like that:
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Granary (Action - Reserve) $5
+1 Action
Now and when you put this into play, +$1 +1 Buy.

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Caravansary (Action - Reserve - Reaction) $4
When you put this into play, +2 Cards.

When you gain a card costing $0, you may reveal this from your hand or from play. If you do, put this on your Reserve mat.

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Town Gate (Action - Reserve) $4
Now and when you put this into play, draw until you have 6 cards in your hand.
While this is on your Reserve mat, when another player plays an Attack card, you may trash a card from your hand.

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Fruit Market (Action - Reserve) $3
Trash a Silver from your hand. If you don't, put this into play.

When you put this into play:
+4 Cards
+1 Buy
Trash this.
There's a hoop for you to jump through for megaturns. ;)

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Balcony (Action - Reserve) $5
+1 Action

When you play an Action, you may put this into play. If you do, play the Action again.

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Wagoner (Action - Reserve) 0*
When you put this into play, +1 Action and return this to the Wagoner pile.
(This is not part of the supply.)

And this one would have to turn back into a Duration:
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Prince's Chamber (Action - Duration) $4
You may play an Action from your hand. When you would discard it in this cleanup phase, set it aside instead. Play it again at the start of your next turn.



On the player tokens: Your mechanic is pretty neat!
But a bit too complex for my taste. At least there should be more restrictions which of the tokens can be used. A card like Circus where you have all the different tokens is just too much.
If there is only one token of a kind, you could buy those Events only once. That sounds bad, but it may be okay because then you aren't able to only buy cards that don't go into the deck. Those events would have to be quite expensive anyways. A bonus of +1$ or +1 Card every time you play a card is HUGE (compare City!).
I like it and it sounds quite realistic, I'll think a bit more of it and include some versions of it into the OP maybe. :)
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Re: Dominion: Adventures^^
« Reply #24 on: February 13, 2015, 12:37:29 pm »
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I figure it would be just a couple of events, each of which let you choose which token to use.  There would be events that do other things too.
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