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The Opposite of Mint
« on: January 14, 2015, 09:30:40 pm »
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No, it's not Mine. It's a Treasure that gains Actions.



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Magic Mirror
Types: Treasure
Cost: $5
Worth $2. When you play this, you may discard an Action card. Gain a copy of it.

Apologies to pacovf for using the same name as a card he suggested. I couldn't think of another appropriate name for this card, but I am very open to alternative suggestions.

I've tried cards that gain you copies of cards in your deck before. Right now Enterprise has Committee, which is fun and provides a bit of player interaction, but is also one of the most complex cards in the set. I thought I'd try another option and see which one worked out better.

I was going to test this at least once before posting it, but you know how it is. I can't test it right now but I can mock up the image and post it on the internets right now. Initial feedback is appreciated!
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Re: The Opposite of Mint
« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2015, 09:38:45 pm »
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Whose is it then?

On another note, why can't it trash my necropolis and ruins? :(
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Re: The Opposite of Mint
« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2015, 09:39:59 pm »
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Hey, now drawing dead terminals isn't nearly as bad!
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Re: The Opposite of Mint
« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2015, 09:57:31 pm »
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Hey, now drawing dead terminals isn't nearly as bad!

If you're happy gaining another terminal, at least.
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Re: The Opposite of Mint
« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2015, 09:59:30 pm »
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There's no limit to how many time you can use this in a turn right?
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Re: The Opposite of Mint
« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2015, 10:01:31 pm »
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There's no limit to how many time you can use this in a turn right?

Your question confuses me. First of all, you're discarding the Action card you want to gain a copy of, so it won't be in your hand to discard again. Second, you can only discard one Action card per time you play a Magic Mirror. So if you have multiple copies, you can gain that many Action cards, as long as you have Action cards in your hand to discard.
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Re: The Opposite of Mint
« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2015, 10:02:11 pm »
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There's no limit to how many time you can use this in a turn right?

The limit is 20 (Counterfeit 10 of these).
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Re: The Opposite of Mint
« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2015, 10:06:08 pm »
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There's no limit to how many time you can use this in a turn right?

Your question confuses me. First of all, you're discarding the Action card you want to gain a copy of, so it won't be in your hand to discard again. Second, you can only discard one Action card per time you play a Magic Mirror. So if you have multiple copies, you can gain that many Action cards, as long as you have Action cards in your hand to discard.

Argh, I read it as "When you have this in play", which I thought was a strange way of wording it. Never mind.
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Re: The Opposite of Mint
« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2015, 10:12:46 pm »
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There's no limit to how many time you can use this in a turn right?

The limit is 20 (Counterfeit 10 of these).
Throw in rogue and black market for a lot more
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Re: The Opposite of Mint
« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2015, 10:19:56 pm »
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Anyway, the card sounds like a very powerful and fun card. Compared to Horn of Plenty, it's probably not unreasonably powerful, though.

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Re: The Opposite of Mint
« Reply #10 on: January 14, 2015, 10:34:12 pm »
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There's no limit to how many time you can use this in a turn right?

The limit is 20 (Counterfeit 10 of these).

What about HoP/Mandarin/Cultist?
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Re: The Opposite of Mint
« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2015, 01:24:11 am »
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Anyway, the card sounds like a very powerful and fun card. Compared to Horn of Plenty, it's probably not unreasonably powerful, though.

Yeah, at first I was going to make it worth $1, but the fact that you didn't play the Action card this turn (barring Black Market) should weaken it quite a bit.

The main issue with cards like this is that players would rather play Action cards than discard them. I'm hoping Magic Mirror partially alleviates this by being a Treasure. If nothing else, you get $2 out of it.
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Re: The Opposite of Mint
« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2015, 01:47:41 am »
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Isn't the "When you play this" unnecessary? Doesn't every card effect start with an implicit "When you play this" (unless it starts with a different "When")?
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Re: The Opposite of Mint
« Reply #13 on: January 15, 2015, 01:48:53 am »
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Isn't the "When you play this" unnecessary? Doesn't every card effect start with an implicit "When you play this" (unless it starts with a different "When")?

All Action cards do. If you check a few Treasure cards, you'll see this "When you play this" wording.
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Re: The Opposite of Mint
« Reply #14 on: January 15, 2015, 03:00:11 am »
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I think it's cool and quite powerful, and it comboes nice with Black Market's ability to play treasures during the Action phase (And that kind of combo is very strong, because all Dominion games should be played with Black Market).
The one downside may be that it can lead to lots of AP in the end of the turn.

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Re: The Opposite of Mint
« Reply #15 on: January 15, 2015, 01:38:47 pm »
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Apologies to pacovf for using the same name as a card he suggested.

Curses, I knew I should have trademarked it!

This might be a bit weak compared to horn of plenty? Horn of Plenty doesn't require discarding action cards, and you can build towards a mega turn with them because they can gain victory cards. The advantage of Magic Mirror is the extra two coins. Don't know whether that is enough.
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Re: The Opposite of Mint
« Reply #16 on: January 15, 2015, 02:09:14 pm »
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Apologies to pacovf for using the same name as a card he suggested.

Curses, I knew I should have trademarked it!

This might be a bit weak compared to horn of plenty? Horn of Plenty doesn't require discarding action cards, and you can build towards a mega turn with them because they can gain victory cards. The advantage of Magic Mirror is the extra two coins. Don't know whether that is enough.

2 Coins is pretty huge. Even if it's usually weaker than HoP, that's acceptable as long as it's sometimes better. And I think that's trivially true. Especially when you can only get e.g. 3 cards in play, you'd rather have the +$2. But even the gaining can sometimes be better, like when you happen to draw two terminal Actions without villages. Also, Magic Mirror can gain Potion-cost cards, which is a nice bonus.
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Re: The Opposite of Mint
« Reply #17 on: January 15, 2015, 05:43:09 pm »
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To really be the opposite of Mint, it should trash actions when you buy it.
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Re: The Opposite of Mint
« Reply #18 on: January 15, 2015, 05:46:19 pm »
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To really be the opposite of Mint, it should trash actions when you buy it.

Fact. I'm not going to add that, though.
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Re: The Opposite of Mint
« Reply #19 on: January 15, 2015, 05:51:04 pm »
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Also, the opposite of Mint should be Yours.
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Re: The Opposite of Mint
« Reply #20 on: January 15, 2015, 05:53:18 pm »
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Yours - $? Action - Attack
Each other player trashes a treasure card costing $3 or more and gains one costing at most $3 less than it, putting it into his hand (or reveals a hand with no treasures costing $3 or more).
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Re: The Opposite of Mint
« Reply #21 on: January 15, 2015, 06:01:46 pm »
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Apologies to pacovf for using the same name as a card he suggested.

Curses, I knew I should have trademarked it!

Which is exactly why i trademarked the effect of River:
+2 Cards
Return this to your hand.

To keep this from being a derail-only post, i quite like your new card, LastFootnote. It's very simply worded (which is a plus) and you are right in that it being a Treasure makes it much more satisfying to play. Wonder how it plays.
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Re: The Opposite of Mint
« Reply #22 on: January 15, 2015, 06:06:15 pm »
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To keep this from being a derail-only post, i quite like your new card, LastFootnote. It's very simply worded (which is a plus) and you are right in that it being a Treasure makes it much more satisfying to play. Wonder how it plays.

I just printed it (along with a new version of Domain to test), so hopefully I'll find out tomorrow how it plays.
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Re: The Opposite of Mint
« Reply #23 on: January 15, 2015, 06:11:24 pm »
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It has a niche in a Big Money situation, I think, in the case where you either have enough money for your single purpose and don't need to play your Action, or when your Actions collide.  You may not always want another copy there, but I imagine in some cases you would take a free one.
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Re: The Opposite of Mint
« Reply #24 on: January 16, 2015, 09:11:18 am »
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To really be the opposite of Mint, it should trash actions when you buy it.

Before I clicked I thought "Does it gain a copy of the treasures you played in order to buy this?" (Gain two Magic Mirrors buying one ...)
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