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[pedroluchini]

(First time posting in the "Help" subforum. Please be gentle!)

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Embargo, Native Village, Pearl Diver, Chancellor, Woodcutter, Talisman, Contraband, Explorer, Laboratory, Bank
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No trashing and Laboratory as the only source of +Cards. I briefly considered Talisman to amass Native Villages, but was reluctant to commit to this strategy fearing they might be shut down by Embrago (as indeed happened). I opened with Chancellor, because why the hell not, and spent the rest of the game flailing about without a clear plan.

I really can't figure out what to do here, or why I came out so far behind the other players. What do you think?

[jsh357]

I kind of like an engine with 1-2 NVs (just stop getting them on the Embargo if it happens), an Explorer to fuel Bank, Labs, bank, and Woodcutter.  Not sure how well it works, but it's a nice theory.  Guess I'd open Woodcutter/Silver.  The Explorer is probably bad, I just have a soft spot for the poor girl.

Big money might win, but the engine seems better.  You don't need trashing to make an engine work; it just makes them riskier.

I wouldn't get too upset about losing by that little in a 3 player game.  They are so much swingier than 2 player that a lot of things are up in the air.

[silverspawn]

I disagree with jsh. BM + Chancellor + Explorer

[DG]

Explorer and labs should do ok here. Filling your deck with treasures from an explorer allows your deck to soak up curses from embargo, but embargo really shouldn't come into it. Chancellor and labs shouldn't do so badly but sometimes big money decks draw badly and yours did. You didn't need to discard your deck with the chancellor on turn 5. As a general rule, start buying duchies when half the provinces are gone in 2 and 3 player games.

[Titandrake]

I agree with JSH but only partially. BM + Labs + 1 Woodcutter + Banks. Open Woodcutter/Silver, then hit Labs, then pick up Banks. I think Lab > Gold initially and there's some tipping point where you take the Gold, but I'm not sure what that is, so I'd just do Lab > Gold until it felt like I needed more money.

If they Embargo Lab then just transition into Explorer, but I think Embargo doesn't help either player enough to get bought here.

Explorer will probably get your deck to $8 faster, but it becomes harder to justify getting the Woodcutter in the middle of the game, and I don't like having 2 terminals when you're in the Lab-buying phase. I would not be surprised if it performed better.

[liopoil]

Woodcutter sounds like the worst of the $3 costs to me, especially in a 3-player game. You aren't getting enough labs to use the +buy well. I'd open double chancellor chancellor/silver.

[Awaclus]

Native Village can be trashing. But BM with Chancellor and Explorer and Bank and Labs is probably better.

[dondon151]

NV + Pearl Diver = COMBO!

[liopoil]

NV + Pearl Diver = COMBO!

Switch contraband out for scrying pool and you've got a deal!

[Amac]

Chancellor/BM or Explorer/BM

Or both.

[SpinBlack]

OP says be gentle, so stop BMing him.

[pedroluchini]

Thanks for your comments, everyone!

I'm always reluctant to use NV as a trasher, because it may accidentally hit an important card and then I will have to waste precious time getting it back from the mat. I don't know how serious dondon151 is about the combo with Pearl Diver -- it sounds way too convoluted just to get rid of a couple of Estates?

[dondon151]

I was being facetious. But it could work depending on what other support or lack of support there is in the kingdom.

[Awaclus]

I'm always reluctant to use NV as a trasher, because it may accidentally hit an important card and then I will have to waste precious time getting it back from the mat. I don't know how serious dondon151 is about the combo with Pearl Diver -- it sounds way too convoluted just to get rid of a couple of Estates?

You can stop playing it when there's a realistic chance it's going to hit an important card. It's a very weak trasher, but sometimes you'd rather trash with NV than not at all. And if that happens and Pearl Diver is also in the kingdom, it's probably a good idea to use them both. I've used Native Village+Duchess successfully in the past, but those kingdoms are definitely rare. It's just that you shouldn't overlook the fact that NV removes cards from your deck because there might be a game where it's actually relevant.

[qmech]

It's just that you shouldn't overlook the fact that NV removes cards from your deck because there might be a game where it's actually relevant.

Okay, it's not a game, but it was still fun.

[Flip5ide]

I kind of like an engine with 1-2 NVs (just stop getting them on the Embargo if it happens), an Explorer to fuel Bank, Labs, bank, and Woodcutter.  Not sure how well it works, but it's a nice theory.  Guess I'd open Woodcutter/Silver.  The Explorer is probably bad, I just have a soft spot for the poor girl.

Big money might win, but the engine seems better.  You don't need trashing to make an engine work; it just makes them riskier.

I wouldn't get too upset about losing by that little in a 3 player game.  They are so much swingier than 2 player that a lot of things are up in the air.

Maybe my definition of an engine is skewed?

[Seprix]

Woodcutter sounds like the worst of the $3 costs to me, especially in a 3-player game. You aren't getting enough labs to use the +buy well. I'd open double chancellor chancellor/silver.

Yes, open with me!

[markusin]

But wait, what happens if your opponent, out of perhaps curiosity, embargos Lab right away, as in before you even get 1-2 of them? If that does happen, I'd probably go Silverspawn's route of BM+Chancellor+Explorer. Explorer can be nice because it gets around embargoed treasures.