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Re: STAR WARS
« Reply #325 on: January 11, 2016, 03:09:46 pm »
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I feel completely opposite from a few posts I've seen here about Kylo Ren. For the beginning, I thought he was amazing. A perfect Vader replacement. Intimidating, evil, uncaring. This is what made Darth Vader such a great villain. And his voice... perfect. At least as good as Vader's. Vader had good character development eventually, but not in Episode IV.  In Episode IV he was simply an evil villain, and a great one. Ren started out the same. And then he took his helmet off and started whining about how being evil is hard and sometimes he wants to go back to being good. Man can you imagine if Vader had done that in Episode IV?

When Vader killed Obi Wan, he didn't hesitate. He didn't care that it was his former friend and mentor. He saw an opening and took it. Sure, father-son is a closer relationship, but even so I think it would have been much better if Ren had just killed Han without second thought. Not doing so while crying about it and second guessing himself. Basically, I felt like Ren suddenly went from being Vader from Episode IV to being Anakin from the prequels.

So as a whole I liked the movie a lot, but I thought Ren (after the beginning) was the worst part of it.


Unless I'm forgetting a scene, the whole "evil is hard and I kinda want to be good again" thing is a ruse to get his dad in a vulnerable position, thus removing a significant obstacle.
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« Reply #326 on: January 11, 2016, 03:13:34 pm »
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I feel completely opposite from a few posts I've seen here about Kylo Ren. For the beginning, I thought he was amazing. A perfect Vader replacement. Intimidating, evil, uncaring. This is what made Darth Vader such a great villain. And his voice... perfect. At least as good as Vader's. Vader had good character development eventually, but not in Episode IV.  In Episode IV he was simply an evil villain, and a great one. Ren started out the same. And then he took his helmet off and started whining about how being evil is hard and sometimes he wants to go back to being good. Man can you imagine if Vader had done that in Episode IV?

When Vader killed Obi Wan, he didn't hesitate. He didn't care that it was his former friend and mentor. He saw an opening and took it. Sure, father-son is a closer relationship, but even so I think it would have been much better if Ren had just killed Han without second thought. Not doing so while crying about it and second guessing himself. Basically, I felt like Ren suddenly went from being Vader from Episode IV to being Anakin from the prequels.

So as a whole I liked the movie a lot, but I thought Ren (after the beginning) was the worst part of it.


Unless I'm forgetting a scene, the whole "evil is hard and I kinda want to be good again" thing is a ruse to get his dad in a vulnerable position, thus removing a significant obstacle.

No, he says the same thing in another scene, when he's talking to his grandfather. And a mention of it when talking to his boss.

But the more I read about it, the more I think that when I see it again, I'll feel differently. Sometimes things seem bad because they're not what you expect. His character started out as a pure bad-ass, and so that's what I was expecting and enjoying. Now that I know what his character is and is meant to be, I very well may not have a problem with it when I see it again.
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Re: STAR WARS
« Reply #327 on: January 11, 2016, 03:27:49 pm »
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@GendoIkari : I had the same reaction. I had those same problems the first time, ie the conflicted, adolescent Kylo Ren is more interesting but inconsisent with the earlier, badass Kylo Ren. Saw it again, and it worked, didn't feel as disconnected.
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Re: STAR WARS
« Reply #328 on: January 11, 2016, 03:58:19 pm »
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Man, I was just trying to differentiate between "movie I like" and "movie that's well-made".

I should have known better.

As long as Avatar is off both lists, it's fine.

I actually enjoy Avatar, and think it's a well-made film as well.
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Re: STAR WARS
« Reply #329 on: January 11, 2016, 04:12:11 pm »
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I really enjoyed the internal conflict they showed. You could tell her was really TRYING to be powerful and intimidating, but was still unsure of himself.
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Re: STAR WARS
« Reply #330 on: January 25, 2016, 03:27:05 pm »
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Man, I was just trying to differentiate between "movie I like" and "movie that's well-made".

I should have known better.

As long as Avatar is off both lists, it's fine.

I actually enjoy Avatar, and think it's a well-made film as well.

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Re: STAR WARS
« Reply #331 on: January 25, 2016, 06:20:04 pm »
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I said "Avatar", not "The Last Airbender".
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Re: STAR WARS
« Reply #332 on: January 26, 2016, 01:19:45 pm »
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I think, depending on what exactly you mean with well-made, you would get anywhere from a few to basically everyone to agree with that.
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Re: STAR WARS
« Reply #333 on: January 26, 2016, 01:38:05 pm »
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When I went to see Avatar, I had a choice between seeing it in 3D but dubbed, or in 2D with subtitles.

I made the wrong choice.
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Re: STAR WARS
« Reply #334 on: January 26, 2016, 01:46:58 pm »
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I went to see Avatar.

I made the wrong choice.

Hindsight is 20/20.
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Re: STAR WARS
« Reply #335 on: January 26, 2016, 02:05:00 pm »
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When I went to see Avatar, I had a choice between seeing it in 3D but dubbed, or in 2D with subtitles.

I made the wrong choice.

Of course you did; both of those choices are wrong.

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« Reply #336 on: January 26, 2016, 02:16:32 pm »
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When I went to see Avatar, I had a choice between seeing it in 3D but dubbed, or in 2D with subtitles.

I made the wrong choice.

Of course you did; both of those choices are wrong.

Fair point.
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Re: STAR WARS
« Reply #337 on: January 26, 2016, 02:17:24 pm »
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I went to see Avatar.

I made the wrong choice.

Hindsight is 20/20.

Hmm, I just noticed the subtle edit in WW's reply. Oh well, hivemind is 20/20.

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Re: STAR WARS
« Reply #338 on: January 26, 2016, 02:19:16 pm »
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I saw avatar twice in theaters. It was pretty enjoyable.
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« Reply #339 on: January 26, 2016, 02:26:06 pm »
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I haven't seen Avatar.
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Re: STAR WARS
« Reply #340 on: January 26, 2016, 02:29:58 pm »
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I haven't seen Avatar.

It's kinda OK? I wouldn't spend money to see it again. I might spend a little money not to see it again, if it meant I could be doing something better with my time.
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« Reply #341 on: January 26, 2016, 02:38:32 pm »
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I think it's pointless to watch it now. It's very much a movie that rides solely on its technical aspects, which get less and less impressive as time passes, and as such it's doomed to age very poorly. But that's no reason not to enjoy it as it came out.
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« Reply #342 on: January 26, 2016, 02:47:48 pm »
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It was a very pretty movie. Beauty fades.
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Re: STAR WARS
« Reply #343 on: January 26, 2016, 03:51:51 pm »
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I went to see Avatar.

I made the wrong choice.

Hindsight is 20/20.

Hmm, I just noticed the subtle edit in WW's reply. Oh well, hivemind is 20/20.

I haven't replied at all.

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« Reply #344 on: January 26, 2016, 04:16:33 pm »
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I went to see Avatar.

I made the wrong choice.

Hindsight is 20/20.

Hmm, I just noticed the subtle edit in WW's reply. Oh well, hivemind is 20/20.

I haven't replied at all.

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Re: STAR WARS
« Reply #345 on: January 26, 2016, 04:20:19 pm »
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I went to see Avatar.

I made the wrong choice.

Hindsight is 20/20.

Hmm, I just noticed the subtle edit in WW's reply. Oh well, hivemind is 20/20.

I haven't replied at all.

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« Reply #346 on: January 26, 2016, 05:29:16 pm »
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« Reply #347 on: January 26, 2016, 06:02:01 pm »
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The real question is : has WanderingWinder seen Avatar ?
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« Reply #348 on: January 27, 2016, 02:01:35 pm »
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VII was the most fun I've had at a movie since Star Trek (2009)! So that's a pretty big accomplishment, and pretty much exactly the type of experience I was expecting -- Star Trek was clearly an audition to take a crack at Star Wars for Abrams.

Questions for those in the know:

I don't know anything about the extended universe, but I am interested in how the new movie stacks up. The internet is not kind to those of us who know nothing. For those familiar with it, did VII honor extended universe plot lines? If not, can you give me/point me to a quick run down of how the extended universe deals with post VI events? (What I am interested in: Does the empire survive with another leader? Does it become the first order, or is that a new invention? Do the "rebels" with the jedi ever win back control of the military forces or form a functioning legitimate government?)
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« Reply #349 on: January 27, 2016, 02:15:09 pm »
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VII was the most fun I've had at a movie since Star Trek (2009)! So that's a pretty big accomplishment, and pretty much exactly the type of experience I was expecting -- Star Trek was clearly an audition to take a crack at Star Wars for Abrams.

Questions for those in the know:

I don't know anything about the extended universe, but I am interested in how the new movie stacks up. The internet is not kind to those of us who know nothing. For those familiar with it, did VII honor extended universe plot lines? If not, can you give me/point me to a quick run down of how the extended universe deals with post VI events? (What I am interested in: Does the empire survive with another leader? Does it become the first order, or is that a new invention? Do the "rebels" with the jedi ever win back control of the military forces or form a functioning legitimate government?)

I know that the Expanded Universe (now Star Wars Legends, apparently) is no longer cannon with Episode VII.  There are influences/similarities with things that happened, but it is a separate branch.    Basically nothing in the EU can be assumed to have happened.

I don't have extensive knowledge of EU, though.  I'd start by reading https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_expanded_universe.
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