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Re: STAR WARS
« Reply #25 on: December 01, 2014, 12:01:02 pm »
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I think it's less for protecting his hand and more for stabby-stabby.

Imagine I've got the crossguard saber, and I'm parrying your normal saber.  I just turn a little, and I slice your arm off.
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« Reply #26 on: December 01, 2014, 12:05:02 pm »
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Thank you for that illustration. That's what I was trying to get at, but this picture explains it so well. And even if that design did somehow work, why not make it wrap around 360 degrees?

Also, there's got to be a reason that it's not a thing (aside from Lucas oversight). Most lightsaber duels can be over in 5 seconds. Two blades strike; the person who first slides his blade along the opposing blade and to the hand wins. What would a cross guard accomplish that isn't already accomplished with conventional lightsabers?

And while super-friction sounds like a good enough explanation, there is almost always the cool disengage motion where the blades are touching and then slide apart as the combatants whirl away from each other. One-way super-friction? Yeah, there's a reason why FORCE! is often a sufficient answer, just like MAGIC! That's the problem with taking traditional swordfighting and applying metal-melting properties to it.

I'm still going to chalk it up to "It looks cool but we have no idea how to make this work."


The new lightsaber fails at protecting sliding down to cut off fingers, because the beams don't come directly out of the other beam:


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Re: STAR WARS
« Reply #27 on: December 01, 2014, 12:06:54 pm »
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I think it's less for protecting his hand and more for stabby-stabby.

Imagine I've got the crossguard saber, and I'm parrying your normal saber.  I just turn a little, and I slice your arm off.

If they use it like that, then that eliminates many of my problems with the design. Then the issue becomes that it's very dangerous to use, but that's true for Darth Maul's lightsaber. Hell, any lightsaber is pretty dangerous. Swinging a zero-mass blade around that could slice through flesh like butter? How do we not have more one-armed Jedi?
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Re: STAR WARS
« Reply #28 on: December 01, 2014, 12:18:30 pm »
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Re: STAR WARS
« Reply #29 on: December 01, 2014, 12:23:42 pm »
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Imagine I've got the crossguard saber, and I'm parrying your normal saber.  I just turn a little, and I slice your arm off.

Pfff, and then what? That's just a flesh wound.

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Re: STAR WARS
« Reply #30 on: December 01, 2014, 01:00:01 pm »
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I think it's less for protecting his hand and more for stabby-stabby.

Imagine I've got the crossguard saber, and I'm parrying your normal saber.  I just turn a little, and I slice your arm off.

Yeah, except you'll still be the Sith everyone laughs at behind your back.
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Re: STAR WARS
« Reply #31 on: December 01, 2014, 01:37:42 pm »
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What would a cross guard accomplish that isn't already accomplished with conventional lightsabers?

I'm holding out hope for this scene between the new Sith and one of his henchmen.

"Hey come check out my new light saber. It's really cool. Stay out of the way of the blade while I activate it. Look at the hilt. Look closer, look right at the hilt. That's where the cool part is."
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Re: STAR WARS
« Reply #32 on: December 01, 2014, 02:57:37 pm »
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The new lightsaber fails at protecting sliding down to cut off fingers, because the beams don't come directly out of the other beam:



I think that makes some serious assumptions about the plasma physics of light sabers.  Why couldn't they both be the same plasma source, which can be cut off via force field to get rid of the crossbars?
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Re: STAR WARS
« Reply #33 on: December 01, 2014, 05:33:38 pm »
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The new lightsaber fails at protecting sliding down to cut off fingers, because the beams don't come directly out of the other beam:



I think that makes some serious assumptions about the plasma physics of light sabers.  Why couldn't they both be the same plasma source, which can be cut off via force field to get rid of the crossbars?

I just want to know how the green lightsaber jumped from the upper crossbar to cutting off the lower crossbar
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Re: STAR WARS
« Reply #34 on: December 01, 2014, 07:07:10 pm »
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The new lightsaber fails at protecting sliding down to cut off fingers, because the beams don't come directly out of the other beam:
I think that makes some serious assumptions about the plasma physics of light sabers.  Why couldn't they both be the same plasma source, which can be cut off via force field to get rid of the crossbars?

I just want to know how the green lightsaber jumped from the upper crossbar to cutting off the lower crossbar

I can't unsee it.
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Re: STAR WARS
« Reply #35 on: December 01, 2014, 07:35:07 pm »
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The new lightsaber fails at protecting sliding down to cut off fingers, because the beams don't come directly out of the other beam:
I think that makes some serious assumptions about the plasma physics of light sabers.  Why couldn't they both be the same plasma source, which can be cut off via force field to get rid of the crossbars?

I just want to know how the green lightsaber jumped from the upper crossbar to cutting off the lower crossbar

I can't unsee it.

Whereas I can't see it.  It never looks like it's at the upper crossbar.
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Re: STAR WARS
« Reply #36 on: December 01, 2014, 07:39:06 pm »
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The new lightsaber fails at protecting sliding down to cut off fingers, because the beams don't come directly out of the other beam:
I think that makes some serious assumptions about the plasma physics of light sabers.  Why couldn't they both be the same plasma source, which can be cut off via force field to get rid of the crossbars?

I just want to know how the green lightsaber jumped from the upper crossbar to cutting off the lower crossbar

I can't unsee it.

Whereas I can't see it.  It never looks like it's at the upper crossbar.

In 1 and 2 the green light saber is clearly in the foreground, whereas in 3 the green light saber is now in the background. Maybe it cut through the crossbar and then went down below the bottom of the hilt and we are seeing image 3 as the green light saber comes back up on the upswing now on the other side of the hilt?

Edit: although that said, whether it was originally going for upper or lower crossbar is clearly just a mental bias because there's nothing to indicate one or the other.
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Re: STAR WARS
« Reply #37 on: December 01, 2014, 07:50:54 pm »
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Ahh, I get it now.  Except I still see 1 and 2 as the green going for the lower crossbar.  It's ambiguous in 1, it's clear in 2, and then 3 is just weird because of the green saber suddenly being in the background.
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Re: STAR WARS
« Reply #38 on: December 01, 2014, 08:56:12 pm »
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Maybe the sith just likes how it looks?
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Re: STAR WARS
« Reply #39 on: December 02, 2014, 01:53:16 am »
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Maybe the sith just likes how it looks?

If you're going to accidentally kill yourself with your own weapon, at least look cool doing it?
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Re: STAR WARS
« Reply #40 on: December 02, 2014, 12:44:56 pm »
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The George Lucas special edition of the trailer:

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Re: STAR WARS
« Reply #41 on: December 02, 2014, 02:53:22 pm »
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Maybe the sith just likes how it looks?

If you're going to accidentally kill yourself with your own weapon, at least look cool doing it?

It would only look cool if the Sith was a 12 year old boy....
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Re: STAR WARS
« Reply #42 on: December 02, 2014, 03:02:57 pm »
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The new lightsaber fails at protecting sliding down to cut off fingers, because the beams don't come directly out of the other beam:



This image has now been debunked by Steven Colbert: http://thecolbertreport.cc.com/videos/umsrnb/lightsaber-controversy
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Re: STAR WARS
« Reply #43 on: December 02, 2014, 03:14:33 pm »
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The new lightsaber fails at protecting sliding down to cut off fingers, because the beams don't come directly out of the other beam:



This image has now been debunked by Steven Colbert: http://thecolbertreport.cc.com/videos/umsrnb/lightsaber-controversy

yeah.  Case closed.  Nothing more to say on the matter.
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Re: STAR WARS
« Reply #44 on: December 02, 2014, 03:24:19 pm »
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A somewhat interesting point:

http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/02/opinion/beale-star-wars/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

I don't exactly share his views, but he does have a point that Star Wars misrepresents Sci-Fi.  Though, the author loses a lot of authority for saying The Matrix is "the most original sci-fi movie of the past 25 years".  Well Matrix was original, but did this guy never hear of Primer?  Moon? 
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« Reply #45 on: December 02, 2014, 03:34:08 pm »
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A somewhat interesting point:

http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/02/opinion/beale-star-wars/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

I don't exactly share his views, but he does have a point that Star Wars misrepresents Sci-Fi.  Though, the author loses a lot of authority for saying The Matrix is "the most original sci-fi movie of the past 25 years".  Well Matrix was original, but did this guy never heard of Primer?  Moon?

Never heard of that other stuff, but Matrix clearly is a rip off of Tron.
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Re: STAR WARS
« Reply #46 on: December 02, 2014, 03:47:14 pm »
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« Reply #47 on: December 02, 2014, 04:03:21 pm »
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The creator of the illustration was clearly following rule 0 of memogenesis: make sure to include a triviel mistake for people to point out.
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« Reply #48 on: December 02, 2014, 04:07:15 pm »
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A somewhat interesting point:

http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/02/opinion/beale-star-wars/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

I don't exactly share his views, but he does have a point that Star Wars misrepresents Sci-Fi.  Though, the author loses a lot of authority for saying The Matrix is "the most original sci-fi movie of the past 25 years".  Well Matrix was original, but did this guy never heard of Primer?  Moon?
This editorial seems analogous to criticizing Lord of the Rings for misrepresenting historical fiction. It's not like people are somehow tricked into thinking that Star Wars is serious speculation about the future.
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« Reply #49 on: December 02, 2014, 04:25:33 pm »
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A somewhat interesting point:

http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/02/opinion/beale-star-wars/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

I don't exactly share his views, but he does have a point that Star Wars misrepresents Sci-Fi.  Though, the author loses a lot of authority for saying The Matrix is "the most original sci-fi movie of the past 25 years".  Well Matrix was original, but did this guy never heard of Primer?  Moon?
This editorial seems analogous to criticizing Lord of the Rings for misrepresenting historical fiction. It's not like people are somehow tricked into thinking that Star Wars is serious speculation about the future.

Hmm.. that wasn't what I got from it.  I read it more as people saw Star Wars and thought Sci Fi was big operas and explosions, when really it's about exploring deep issues of our humanity.
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