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STAR WARS
« on: November 28, 2014, 11:36:43 am »
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Re: STAR WARS
« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2014, 11:37:49 am »
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I am hyped, but man, that lightsaber seems impractical.
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« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2014, 11:45:59 am »
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When Tracy Morgan popped up I laughed and thought it was going to be a joke trailer. It's not.
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Re: STAR WARS
« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2014, 11:46:34 am »
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When Tracy Morgan popped up I laughed and thought it was going to be a joke trailer. It's not.

That was not Tracy Morgan.
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Re: STAR WARS
« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2014, 11:48:46 am »
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When Tracy Morgan popped up I laughed and thought it was going to be a joke trailer. It's not.

That was not Tracy Morgan.

At third glance I think you're right. It does look like him though.
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Re: STAR WARS
« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2014, 12:24:22 pm »
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Abrams destroyed Star Trek by trying to turn it into Star Wars.  So we know he can do a good action film.  Yet Star Wars also had cerebral elements, even the prequels.  Will he destroy Star Wars by going full-on Transformers with it?  I guess we'll know soon.
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« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2014, 03:31:17 pm »
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Abrams destroyed Star Trek by trying to turn it into Star Wars.  So we know he can do a good action film.  Yet Star Wars also had cerebral elements, even the prequels.  Will he destroy Star Wars by going full-on Transformers with it?  I guess we'll know soon.

Bah. He's a great fit for SW, and it's a shame it took him doing ST to show it, but he's finally where he belongs, so that's good.

I am hyped, but man, that lightsaber seems impractical.

Same thought I had. Cool, the inevitable (but awesome) new variant! That...increases the odds you cut off your own fingers?
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Re: STAR WARS
« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2014, 06:58:04 pm »
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I love the trailer. I have heard several people complain about the lightsaber though. My guess is it belongs to a secret religious order...maybe disciples of Sith teachings or something. That's just my imagination going though. Anyway, what's the beginning of a new Star Was trilogy if you don't have a bad guy with a new lightsaber?
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« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2014, 07:35:00 pm »
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Oh, so it is going to be 3D, ok I guess.

Anybody knows what the lore says on original trilogy stormtroopers? They were all originally clones of Jango, but I don't know if by the time A New Hope rolls around the Empire has started taking recruits.

Basically, I am asking who discount Tracy Morgan is playing as.
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Re: STAR WARS
« Reply #9 on: November 28, 2014, 08:17:21 pm »
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That discount Tracy Morgan is a British actor who I think was in Attack the Block. I you want a low budget action/horror movie to watch after a few beers then you can do worse than Attack the Block.
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Re: STAR WARS
« Reply #10 on: November 30, 2014, 08:59:25 am »
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Oh, so it is going to be 3D, ok I guess.

Anybody knows what the lore says on original trilogy stormtroopers? They were all originally clones of Jango, but I don't know if by the time A New Hope rolls around the Empire has started taking recruits.

Basically, I am asking who discount Tracy Morgan is playing as.

After the Clone Wars, the Empire recruits non-clones to be Stormtroopers.
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Re: STAR WARS
« Reply #11 on: November 30, 2014, 09:28:03 am »
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I am hyped, but man, that lightsaber seems impractical.

Same thought I had. Cool, the inevitable (but awesome) new variant! That...increases the odds you cut off your own fingers?

No way. Those small things where the light comes out will stop your hand from sliding into the beam. I think "regular" lightsabers are easier to cut yourself with. What bothers me, though, is that the light looks more like flames and less like... Light.
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Re: STAR WARS
« Reply #12 on: November 30, 2014, 09:57:30 am »
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Oh, so it is going to be 3D, ok I guess.

Anybody knows what the lore says on original trilogy stormtroopers? They were all originally clones of Jango, but I don't know if by the time A New Hope rolls around the Empire has started taking recruits.

Basically, I am asking who discount Tracy Morgan is playing as.

After the Clone Wars, the Empire recruits non-clones to be Stormtroopers.

Ok, thanks.

I am hyped, but man, that lightsaber seems impractical.

Same thought I had. Cool, the inevitable (but awesome) new variant! That...increases the odds you cut off your own fingers?

No way. Those small things where the light comes out will stop your hand from sliding into the beam. I think "regular" lightsabers are easier to cut yourself with. What bothers me, though, is that the light looks more like flames and less like... Light.

They kinda look the same to me. But then again maybe they are moving towards lightsabers being made of plasma rather than a laser, which would make a little bit more sense.
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Re: STAR WARS
« Reply #13 on: November 30, 2014, 10:00:55 am »
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They kinda look the same to me. But then again maybe they are moving towards lightsabers being made of plasma rather than a laser, which would make a little bit more sense.

I had a talk about this with a friend, and we concluded that lightswords and the laser beams that aren't really moving with the speed of laser are actually made of wood (in plasma form). So, there's your answer, they fight with wooden swords. no, don't thank me.

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Re: STAR WARS
« Reply #14 on: November 30, 2014, 11:22:47 am »
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The problem is not your hands for the lightsaber though, it is your legs.  I mean, swing that thing around in circles and you could very easily cut your thigh open.
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Re: STAR WARS
« Reply #15 on: November 30, 2014, 03:58:46 pm »
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The problem is not your hands for the lightsaber though, it is your legs.  I mean, swing that thing around in circles and you could very easily cut your thigh open.

The resolution of the video is not high enough to make it visible, but that lightsaber has ACME written on it. The movie will also introduce laser guns that shoot in fourteen different random directions at once.

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Re: STAR WARS
« Reply #16 on: December 01, 2014, 12:41:23 am »
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The problem is not your hands for the lightsaber though, it is your legs.  I mean, swing that thing around in circles and you could very easily cut your thigh open.

The resolution of the video is not high enough to make it visible, but that lightsaber has ACME written on it. The movie will also introduce laser guns that shoot in fourteen different random directions at once.

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« Reply #17 on: December 01, 2014, 12:52:22 am »
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The problem is not your hands for the lightsaber though, it is your legs.  I mean, swing that thing around in circles and you could very easily cut your thigh open.

I believe the in-universe answer is that the user doesn't cut themselves because THE FORCE.

And also, the guards would help defend against opponents' laser swords, so there is that.
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« Reply #18 on: December 01, 2014, 01:59:52 am »
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Timely non-sequitur, start reading Darths & Droids if you aren't already. They're currently nearing the end of Episode V, and by the time they finish VI it's possible they might be able to start riffing on the upcoming movie.
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« Reply #19 on: December 01, 2014, 03:23:30 am »
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So that's what happens when Gillette starts making lightsabers... "The best a Sith can get," indeed.
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Re: STAR WARS
« Reply #20 on: December 01, 2014, 03:26:13 am »
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So that's what happens when Gillette starts making lightsabers... "The best a Sith can get," indeed.

I heard you like lightsabers...
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« Reply #21 on: December 01, 2014, 06:27:39 am »
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They can't all be the best lightsaber ever.
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Re: STAR WARS
« Reply #22 on: December 01, 2014, 09:55:39 am »
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I saw a picture of a Swiss army lightsaber. That was amusing.

I don't like the new lightsaber. It looks impractical and only serves to exist for the "Oh cool" factor. I hate the "Oh cool" factor when it's presented by itself. At least the double lightsaber has a practical effect, if a bit more dangerous to wield. The filmmakers are going to have to really sell me on this lightsaber's practicality.

And okay, so a popular assumption is that the cross guard will protect you from lightsaber attacks, which is a pretty legitimate claim. After all, just about every lightsaber battle could be resolved quickly if the duelist just slides the blade down to the fingers and chop them off. But it's not much of a threat now, is it? Why doesn't that happen already in every lightsaber battle? Possibly the "friction" is too much to allow for that kind of sliding. Or as someone already said, the FORCE!

But then why extend that protection to just one plane? A real broadsword has that plane because of how the swords are created. Additional cross guards would be unnecessary and unwieldy. A lightsaber can be struck from any of 360 degrees. And besides, is the handle safe? Because I'm looking at how those cross guards stick out and seeing an unprotected housing. What happens if the opposing lightsaber slides toward that?

It does seem that they are trying too hard to make something cool with lightsabers while forgetting that lightsabers are simply cool. Darth Maul's lightsaber was pretty badass (even though Darth Maul was boring cardboard). General Grievous's four lightsabers were also pretty cool, even though he wasn't technically a Jedi. But not everything needs to be souped up.

But if you are going to soup up a lightsaber, then go big with it, man. Cross guards? Pfft, it looks silly and doesn't convey a sense of awesomeness. A lightsaber chain weapon? Now that would be awe-inspiring. A lightsaber chain would be pretty cool, but they'd have to explain that nobody talks about the horrible period of time in R&D. Tragic, simply tragic.

I just hope the teaser is a marketing test. Maybe they want to see if that weapon will sit well with the audience. Hopefully they got enough negative feedback that they'll reconsider the broad sword idea. But you know I'll go see the movie regardless.
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« Reply #23 on: December 01, 2014, 09:56:17 am »
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The blade is controlled by the Force, bitches!
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« Reply #24 on: December 01, 2014, 11:22:43 am »
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The new lightsaber fails at protecting sliding down to cut off fingers, because the beams don't come directly out of the other beam:

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Re: STAR WARS
« Reply #25 on: December 01, 2014, 12:01:02 pm »
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I think it's less for protecting his hand and more for stabby-stabby.

Imagine I've got the crossguard saber, and I'm parrying your normal saber.  I just turn a little, and I slice your arm off.
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« Reply #26 on: December 01, 2014, 12:05:02 pm »
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Thank you for that illustration. That's what I was trying to get at, but this picture explains it so well. And even if that design did somehow work, why not make it wrap around 360 degrees?

Also, there's got to be a reason that it's not a thing (aside from Lucas oversight). Most lightsaber duels can be over in 5 seconds. Two blades strike; the person who first slides his blade along the opposing blade and to the hand wins. What would a cross guard accomplish that isn't already accomplished with conventional lightsabers?

And while super-friction sounds like a good enough explanation, there is almost always the cool disengage motion where the blades are touching and then slide apart as the combatants whirl away from each other. One-way super-friction? Yeah, there's a reason why FORCE! is often a sufficient answer, just like MAGIC! That's the problem with taking traditional swordfighting and applying metal-melting properties to it.

I'm still going to chalk it up to "It looks cool but we have no idea how to make this work."


The new lightsaber fails at protecting sliding down to cut off fingers, because the beams don't come directly out of the other beam:


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« Reply #27 on: December 01, 2014, 12:06:54 pm »
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I think it's less for protecting his hand and more for stabby-stabby.

Imagine I've got the crossguard saber, and I'm parrying your normal saber.  I just turn a little, and I slice your arm off.

If they use it like that, then that eliminates many of my problems with the design. Then the issue becomes that it's very dangerous to use, but that's true for Darth Maul's lightsaber. Hell, any lightsaber is pretty dangerous. Swinging a zero-mass blade around that could slice through flesh like butter? How do we not have more one-armed Jedi?
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« Reply #28 on: December 01, 2014, 12:18:30 pm »
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« Reply #29 on: December 01, 2014, 12:23:42 pm »
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Imagine I've got the crossguard saber, and I'm parrying your normal saber.  I just turn a little, and I slice your arm off.

Pfff, and then what? That's just a flesh wound.

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« Reply #30 on: December 01, 2014, 01:00:01 pm »
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I think it's less for protecting his hand and more for stabby-stabby.

Imagine I've got the crossguard saber, and I'm parrying your normal saber.  I just turn a little, and I slice your arm off.

Yeah, except you'll still be the Sith everyone laughs at behind your back.
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« Reply #31 on: December 01, 2014, 01:37:42 pm »
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What would a cross guard accomplish that isn't already accomplished with conventional lightsabers?

I'm holding out hope for this scene between the new Sith and one of his henchmen.

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« Reply #32 on: December 01, 2014, 02:57:37 pm »
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The new lightsaber fails at protecting sliding down to cut off fingers, because the beams don't come directly out of the other beam:



I think that makes some serious assumptions about the plasma physics of light sabers.  Why couldn't they both be the same plasma source, which can be cut off via force field to get rid of the crossbars?
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« Reply #33 on: December 01, 2014, 05:33:38 pm »
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The new lightsaber fails at protecting sliding down to cut off fingers, because the beams don't come directly out of the other beam:



I think that makes some serious assumptions about the plasma physics of light sabers.  Why couldn't they both be the same plasma source, which can be cut off via force field to get rid of the crossbars?

I just want to know how the green lightsaber jumped from the upper crossbar to cutting off the lower crossbar
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« Reply #34 on: December 01, 2014, 07:07:10 pm »
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The new lightsaber fails at protecting sliding down to cut off fingers, because the beams don't come directly out of the other beam:
I think that makes some serious assumptions about the plasma physics of light sabers.  Why couldn't they both be the same plasma source, which can be cut off via force field to get rid of the crossbars?

I just want to know how the green lightsaber jumped from the upper crossbar to cutting off the lower crossbar

I can't unsee it.
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« Reply #35 on: December 01, 2014, 07:35:07 pm »
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The new lightsaber fails at protecting sliding down to cut off fingers, because the beams don't come directly out of the other beam:
I think that makes some serious assumptions about the plasma physics of light sabers.  Why couldn't they both be the same plasma source, which can be cut off via force field to get rid of the crossbars?

I just want to know how the green lightsaber jumped from the upper crossbar to cutting off the lower crossbar

I can't unsee it.

Whereas I can't see it.  It never looks like it's at the upper crossbar.
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« Reply #36 on: December 01, 2014, 07:39:06 pm »
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The new lightsaber fails at protecting sliding down to cut off fingers, because the beams don't come directly out of the other beam:
I think that makes some serious assumptions about the plasma physics of light sabers.  Why couldn't they both be the same plasma source, which can be cut off via force field to get rid of the crossbars?

I just want to know how the green lightsaber jumped from the upper crossbar to cutting off the lower crossbar

I can't unsee it.

Whereas I can't see it.  It never looks like it's at the upper crossbar.

In 1 and 2 the green light saber is clearly in the foreground, whereas in 3 the green light saber is now in the background. Maybe it cut through the crossbar and then went down below the bottom of the hilt and we are seeing image 3 as the green light saber comes back up on the upswing now on the other side of the hilt?

Edit: although that said, whether it was originally going for upper or lower crossbar is clearly just a mental bias because there's nothing to indicate one or the other.
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Ahh, I get it now.  Except I still see 1 and 2 as the green going for the lower crossbar.  It's ambiguous in 1, it's clear in 2, and then 3 is just weird because of the green saber suddenly being in the background.
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Maybe the sith just likes how it looks?
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« Reply #39 on: December 02, 2014, 01:53:16 am »
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Maybe the sith just likes how it looks?

If you're going to accidentally kill yourself with your own weapon, at least look cool doing it?
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« Reply #41 on: December 02, 2014, 02:53:22 pm »
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Maybe the sith just likes how it looks?

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It would only look cool if the Sith was a 12 year old boy....
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« Reply #43 on: December 02, 2014, 03:14:33 pm »
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The new lightsaber fails at protecting sliding down to cut off fingers, because the beams don't come directly out of the other beam:



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« Reply #44 on: December 02, 2014, 03:24:19 pm »
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A somewhat interesting point:

http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/02/opinion/beale-star-wars/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

I don't exactly share his views, but he does have a point that Star Wars misrepresents Sci-Fi.  Though, the author loses a lot of authority for saying The Matrix is "the most original sci-fi movie of the past 25 years".  Well Matrix was original, but did this guy never hear of Primer?  Moon? 
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« Reply #45 on: December 02, 2014, 03:34:08 pm »
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A somewhat interesting point:

http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/02/opinion/beale-star-wars/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

I don't exactly share his views, but he does have a point that Star Wars misrepresents Sci-Fi.  Though, the author loses a lot of authority for saying The Matrix is "the most original sci-fi movie of the past 25 years".  Well Matrix was original, but did this guy never heard of Primer?  Moon?

Never heard of that other stuff, but Matrix clearly is a rip off of Tron.
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« Reply #47 on: December 02, 2014, 04:03:21 pm »
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The creator of the illustration was clearly following rule 0 of memogenesis: make sure to include a triviel mistake for people to point out.
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« Reply #48 on: December 02, 2014, 04:07:15 pm »
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A somewhat interesting point:

http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/02/opinion/beale-star-wars/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

I don't exactly share his views, but he does have a point that Star Wars misrepresents Sci-Fi.  Though, the author loses a lot of authority for saying The Matrix is "the most original sci-fi movie of the past 25 years".  Well Matrix was original, but did this guy never heard of Primer?  Moon?
This editorial seems analogous to criticizing Lord of the Rings for misrepresenting historical fiction. It's not like people are somehow tricked into thinking that Star Wars is serious speculation about the future.
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« Reply #49 on: December 02, 2014, 04:25:33 pm »
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A somewhat interesting point:

http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/02/opinion/beale-star-wars/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

I don't exactly share his views, but he does have a point that Star Wars misrepresents Sci-Fi.  Though, the author loses a lot of authority for saying The Matrix is "the most original sci-fi movie of the past 25 years".  Well Matrix was original, but did this guy never heard of Primer?  Moon?
This editorial seems analogous to criticizing Lord of the Rings for misrepresenting historical fiction. It's not like people are somehow tricked into thinking that Star Wars is serious speculation about the future.

Hmm.. that wasn't what I got from it.  I read it more as people saw Star Wars and thought Sci Fi was big operas and explosions, when really it's about exploring deep issues of our humanity.
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« Reply #50 on: December 02, 2014, 04:44:29 pm »
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A somewhat interesting point:

http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/02/opinion/beale-star-wars/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

I don't exactly share his views, but he does have a point that Star Wars misrepresents Sci-Fi.  Though, the author loses a lot of authority for saying The Matrix is "the most original sci-fi movie of the past 25 years".  Well Matrix was original, but did this guy never heard of Primer?  Moon?
This editorial seems analogous to criticizing Lord of the Rings for misrepresenting historical fiction. It's not like people are somehow tricked into thinking that Star Wars is serious speculation about the future.

Hmm.. that wasn't what I got from it.  I read it more as people saw Star Wars and thought Sci Fi was big operas and explosions, when really it's about exploring deep issues of our humanity.

The problem isn't Star Wars misrepresenting sci-fi.  The problem is people misclassifying Star Wars as sci-fi.  It's fantasy.
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« Reply #51 on: December 02, 2014, 04:47:32 pm »
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A somewhat interesting point:

http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/02/opinion/beale-star-wars/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

I don't exactly share his views, but he does have a point that Star Wars misrepresents Sci-Fi.  Though, the author loses a lot of authority for saying The Matrix is "the most original sci-fi movie of the past 25 years".  Well Matrix was original, but did this guy never heard of Primer?  Moon?
This editorial seems analogous to criticizing Lord of the Rings for misrepresenting historical fiction. It's not like people are somehow tricked into thinking that Star Wars is serious speculation about the future.

Hmm.. that wasn't what I got from it.  I read it more as people saw Star Wars and thought Sci Fi was big operas and explosions, when really it's about exploring deep issues of our humanity.

The problem isn't Star Wars misrepresenting sci-fi.  The problem is people misclassifying Star Wars as sci-fi.  It's fantasy.

That's a good point.
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« Reply #52 on: December 02, 2014, 05:39:11 pm »
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Nope, its definitely Science Fiction

"fiction based on imagined future scientific or technological advances and major social or environmental changes, frequently portraying space or time travel and life on other planets."

Just because its not the dark gritty moralistic style of Sci Fi....I like to think of it as High Science Fiction, in the same way people like David Gemmel are High Fantasy
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« Reply #53 on: December 02, 2014, 05:46:30 pm »
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The creator of the illustration was clearly following rule 0 of memogenesis: make sure to include a triviel mistake for people to point out.

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« Reply #54 on: December 02, 2014, 06:01:16 pm »
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Nope, its definitely Science Fiction

"fiction based on imagined future scientific or technological advances and major social or environmental changes, frequently portraying space or time travel and life on other planets."

Just because its not the dark gritty moralistic style of Sci Fi....I like to think of it as High Science Fiction, in the same way people like David Gemmel are High Fantasy

Star Wars features The Force, which is basically magic.  They "explain" it later with midichlorians and whatnot, but really, it's still magic.  IMO, that puts it squarely outside the realm of science fiction and firmly in the realm of fantasy.  It's fantasy in space with some technological trappings, but still fantasy.
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« Reply #55 on: December 02, 2014, 06:05:45 pm »
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Not sure if that is a good argument. Lots of science fiction feature some sort of psyonics. Or sufficiently advanced alien technology (=magic).

Not like I disagree with your final conclusion, though.
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« Reply #56 on: December 02, 2014, 06:07:21 pm »
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You could use that to argue that Dune is fantasy, though I consider it pretty Sci Fi.  I guess it intersects both.
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« Reply #57 on: December 02, 2014, 06:11:06 pm »
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The Star Wars plot also features far more fantasy tropes than sci-fi tropes.

Call it Science Fantasy if you wish?
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« Reply #58 on: December 02, 2014, 06:19:54 pm »
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Can't it be both?
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« Reply #59 on: December 02, 2014, 06:20:08 pm »
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Nope, its definitely Science Fiction

"fiction based on imagined future scientific or technological advances and major social or environmental changes, frequently portraying space or time travel and life on other planets."

Just because its not the dark gritty moralistic style of Sci Fi....I like to think of it as High Science Fiction, in the same way people like David Gemmel are High Fantasy

Star Wars features The Force, which is basically magic.  They "explain" it later with midichlorians and whatnot, but really, it's still magic.  IMO, that puts it squarely outside the realm of science fiction and firmly in the realm of fantasy.  It's fantasy in space with some technological trappings, but still fantasy.


"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

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« Reply #60 on: December 02, 2014, 06:20:22 pm »
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Can't it be both?

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« Reply #61 on: December 02, 2014, 06:31:02 pm »
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Nope, its definitely Science Fiction

"fiction based on imagined future scientific or technological advances and major social or environmental changes, frequently portraying space or time travel and life on other planets."

Just because its not the dark gritty moralistic style of Sci Fi....I like to think of it as High Science Fiction, in the same way people like David Gemmel are High Fantasy

Star Wars features The Force, which is basically magic.  They "explain" it later with midichlorians and whatnot, but really, it's still magic.  IMO, that puts it squarely outside the realm of science fiction and firmly in the realm of fantasy.  It's fantasy in space with some technological trappings, but still fantasy.


"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

Can't argue with Arthur C Clarke! Well, you can, but he would send one of Asimovs robots over to kill you...

Sure, but the Force isn't technology.
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« Reply #62 on: December 02, 2014, 06:59:15 pm »
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Can't it be both?

Who are you??! George Lucas!?

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No, but seriously there's no reason because a piece of work draws mostly from the ideas of one genre that it can't draw on the tropes of another, they don't have to be considered mutually exclusive.
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« Reply #63 on: December 02, 2014, 07:18:52 pm »
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George Lucas himself said he sees Star Wars as fantasy. The whole A long Time Ago... is supposed to be a nod to fairytales saying Once Upon a Time... Lucas created Star Wars around the idea of the Hero's Journey which is a common motif in myth's.

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« Reply #64 on: December 02, 2014, 07:35:50 pm »
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Nope, its definitely Science Fiction

"fiction based on imagined future scientific or technological advances and major social or environmental changes, frequently portraying space or time travel and life on other planets."

Just because its not the dark gritty moralistic style of Sci Fi....I like to think of it as High Science Fiction, in the same way people like David Gemmel are High Fantasy

Star Wars features The Force, which is basically magic.  They "explain" it later with midichlorians and whatnot, but really, it's still magic.  IMO, that puts it squarely outside the realm of science fiction and firmly in the realm of fantasy.  It's fantasy in space with some technological trappings, but still fantasy.


"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

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« Reply #65 on: December 02, 2014, 11:15:13 pm »
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Although it's maybe a bit pointless to argue exactly what genre label Star Wars should have, here's some misc evidence from the internet:

IMDB: Action Adventure Fantasy
Google "star wars genre" (dunno where it gets its data from): Fantasy, Adventure Film, Science Fiction, Action Film
Wikipedia: "epic space opera", where "space opera" is defined as "a subgenre of science fiction"
Wookieepedia, "the Star Wars Wiki": "a science fiction franchise"

I'd argue based off this that it's more common to call Star Wars "science fiction" than to say that it isn't.
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« Reply #66 on: December 03, 2014, 01:28:42 am »
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I don't think that hurts my point at all.  I agree that it is more common to call Star Wars "sci-fi", but I'm saying that doing so is inaccurate.  The earlier linked article suggests that Star Wars hurts the sci-fi genre by making people think that sci-fi is all about laser gun fights and explosions and big bad villains, whereas the best sci-fi is "essentially about ideas, not action", touching on larger themes of the human condition, and so on and so forth.  I'm saying that there isn't even a comparison because Star Wars isn't really sci-fi, even though most people think of it as such.  The problem isn't that Star Wars misrepresents the depths of sci-fi, as the article posits, but that people like to classify Star Wars as sci-fi when it shouldn't be.
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This whole discussion is pretty sci-fi.
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« Reply #68 on: December 03, 2014, 03:40:50 am »
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I think Star Wars is Sci-Fi. I don't think it's only Sci-Fi. And I don't think it's the definition of Sci-Fi. But definately Sci-Fi.
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I think it's a matter of definitions. Would "Lord of the rings IN SPACE" be science fiction or fantasy?

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« Reply #70 on: December 03, 2014, 05:07:46 am »
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Why can't it be both?
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Why can't it be both?

I'm neither saying that nor the opposite. Are they mutually exclusive? Dunno.

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« Reply #72 on: December 03, 2014, 09:04:21 am »
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I think it's a matter of definitions. Would "Lord of the rings IN SPACE" be science fiction or fantasy?

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« Reply #74 on: December 03, 2014, 11:36:34 am »
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I think it's a matter of definitions. Would "Lord of the rings IN SPACE" be science fiction or fantasy?

It would be awesome.

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« Reply #75 on: December 03, 2014, 11:39:11 am »
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Nope, its definitely Science Fiction

"fiction based on imagined future scientific or technological advances and major social or environmental changes, frequently portraying space or time travel and life on other planets."

Just because its not the dark gritty moralistic style of Sci Fi....I like to think of it as High Science Fiction, in the same way people like David Gemmel are High Fantasy

Star Wars features The Force, which is basically magic.  They "explain" it later with midichlorians and whatnot, but really, it's still magic.  IMO, that puts it squarely outside the realm of science fiction and firmly in the realm of fantasy.  It's fantasy in space with some technological trappings, but still fantasy.

I dunno, is The Force all that different from certain races in Star Trek being able to read minds, or mind control, or heck, the practically omnipotence of Q? Since the characters in Star Wars are not "human", it's reasonable to say that "The Force" is simply an ability that some members of their various species possess. So if Star Trek is sci-fi despite having characters such as Q, then surely Star Wars could qualify.
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« Reply #76 on: December 03, 2014, 12:13:32 pm »
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I don't think that hurts my point at all.  I agree that it is more common to call Star Wars "sci-fi", but I'm saying that doing so is inaccurate.  The earlier linked article suggests that Star Wars hurts the sci-fi genre by making people think that sci-fi is all about laser gun fights and explosions and big bad villains, whereas the best sci-fi is "essentially about ideas, not action", touching on larger themes of the human condition, and so on and so forth.  I'm saying that there isn't even a comparison because Star Wars isn't really sci-fi, even though most people think of it as such.  The problem isn't that Star Wars misrepresents the depths of sci-fi, as the article posits, but that people like to classify Star Wars as sci-fi when it shouldn't be.
To me though, this seems like redefining "science fiction" to be more narrow than the term has been used for decades. I mean, looking up the history of the term "space opera", that was invented in 1941 and was considered a subgenre of science fiction from the very beginning. Science fiction is a very broad category.
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Star Wars Episode VIII: R2-D2 has a Crisis of Identity in a Society where Sentient Robots are Treated as Subservients

This was kind of what I had hoped the Clone Wars would be when it was mentioned in Episode IV. Then the prequels had to go and ruin that fantasy.
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« Reply #78 on: December 03, 2014, 12:31:28 pm »
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OK, but where do you draw the line then? Is being in space the only requirement to being called sci-fi? The term doesn't seem useful then. It seems like you could stretch it to fit anything and everything at that point.

You can say that the Force is a possible non-human ability, but how is that different from saying that magic in Harry Potter is a potentially scientific ability of non-muggles? What about the fanfic HPMOR, which has far more of a scientific spin than Star Wars ever did? How is the Force different from the supernatural spirits in Pact?

Star Wars has elements of both sci-fi and fantasy, and I can see the argument that it is a hybrid "science fantasy". But on the whole, it is far more the latter, IMO. Star Wars plays out like a sword and sorcery tale, just in a space setting.
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« Reply #79 on: December 04, 2014, 05:18:56 am »
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Any attempt to quantify some parameters to decide whether something is Sci-Fi is bound to fail.

Also it seems the "Fi" part in "Sci-Fi" which means fiction, i.e. something which is not real, is too easily dismissed.
There are a lot of things in Star Wars which are not and can't be (due to the laws of physics as we understand them) real.

But if we take the route of requiring everything in Sci-Fi to be at least possible, there are only two films I can think of: Gravity and Apollo 13.
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« Reply #80 on: December 04, 2014, 08:58:12 am »
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There is a difference between hard sci-fi and science fantasy (often also called sci-fi).  Something written by Asimov or Heinlein or one of those other authors from the 50s or 60s is more likely to be interested in exploring an idea, realistic or not, than telling a story.  A nice recent example is the Mars trilogy by Kim Stanley Robinson - probably not *everything* in it is feasible, and there's definitely some alteration for artistic license or drama, but most of the focus of the book is "what would it actually be like to colonize Mars?" rather than trying to build a satisfying narrative.

Whereas in Star Wars, every science-y idea or gadget/gizmo is entirely to serve the plot, rather than the other way around, so I would call it science fantasy.  Obviously there isn't really a strict defining line here, but just because a border is hazy, doesn't mean the two sides don't exist or aren't worth talking about.  It might be hazy when a zygote becomes a baby (somewhere in the second trimester?) but they're certainly different.
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But if we take the route of requiring everything in Sci-Fi to be at least possible, there are only two films I can think of: Gravity and Apollo 13.

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So... we might be seeing a new trailer today.
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So... we might be seeing a new trailer today.
Hmm. I was sure they were going to release it with Age of Ultron.
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So... we might be seeing a new trailer today.
Hmm. I was sure they were going to release it with Age of Ultron.

Companies are slowly starting to realize that everything gets leaked if you try to release stuff at a con or something before it gets sent to the internet.  Better to just have the company officially leak it themselves.
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I don't find myself jumping at trailers quite so often anymore. I still haven't even seen the latest Age of Ultron one yet. Not sure if I'm getting jaded or if I'm intentionally keeping myself in the dark so I can be a little surprised by the actual movie. I do remember watching the hell out of the Phantom Menace trailer, though. Maybe that scarred me when I realized the movie did not live up to the hype.

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I don't really jump at trailers either; I also haven't seen the latest Avengers trailer.

But this is Star Wars.
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I don't mind seeing movie trailers. I don't mind seeing teaser trailers.

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I just don't feel like watching trailers.  They don't really get me hyped up at all, and so they're just a waste of time.
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I recently rewatched all 6 starwars movies, and thought most of them were terrible. When you're excited for the new one, is it out of nostalgia, or am I just weird for not liking the original movies?

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I recently rewatched all 6 starwars movies, and thought most of them were terrible. When you're excited for the new one, is it out of nostalgia, or am I just weird for not liking the original movies?

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I recently rewatched all 6 starwars movies, and thought most of them were terrible. When you're excited for the new one, is it out of nostalgia, or am I just weird for not liking the original movies?

The Empire Strikes Back was fantastic and fantastic-er, and that alone makes up for any shortcomings of the other movies.
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« Reply #95 on: April 16, 2015, 05:20:01 pm »
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George Lucas himself said he sees Star Wars as fantasy. The whole A long Time Ago... is supposed to be a nod to fairytales saying Once Upon a Time... Lucas created Star Wars around the idea of the Hero's Journey which is a common motif in myth's.

Anyway, long story short, Star Wars is fantasy with sci fi elements.
Thinking about it now I have to agree with this. Star Wars doesn't really focus on the implications of the technology being used. How lightsabers and warp drives work is irrelevant. The Force and the conflict of good and evil is the focus of the series. You could have the same story set in medieval style.

Compare with Sci-fi's like Blade Runner, and possibly Brave New World and The Island (the movie).

I guess that means Gundam is both Sci-fi and fantasy. On the one hand the significance of space colonies and Minovsky particles is elaborated upon somewhat, but the main stories focus on the triumph of individuals with super suits. Universal Century Gundam also features New Types, humans who have developed powerful psychic powers from living in space too long. No scientific basis is given for this.

Edit: Oh, I was late to that discussion. This new Star Wars movie, I just see it as going to come out when it come out. I'm interested in seeing how it plays out, but I'm not anxiously waiting for its release or anything.
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« Reply #96 on: April 16, 2015, 05:31:34 pm »
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Somebody's forgetting midi-chlorians...
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Somebody's forgetting midi-chlorians...
How in-depth is the lore on midi-chlorians, anyway? If it's just like Harry Potter magic blood kind of stuff, it doesn't affect the conclusions on Star Wars' genre much.

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Is it just me, or does Harrison Ford look like his old self dressed up as young Han Solo, rather than old Han Solo? Maybe that's inevitable at first.

Also, pretty sure it's Sci Fi/Fantasy.

Also, yay Star Wars!
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« Reply #99 on: April 16, 2015, 05:52:07 pm »
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Is it just me, or is Harrison Ford awesome?

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Is it just me, or does Harrison Ford look like his old self dressed up as young Han Solo, rather than old Han Solo? Maybe that's inevitable at first.

Wait, he's playing Han Solo?  I thought the new Star Wars film was going to be an Indiana Jones crossover.
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« Reply #101 on: April 16, 2015, 06:03:29 pm »
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A somewhat interesting point:

http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/02/opinion/beale-star-wars/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

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Somebody's forgetting midi-chlorians...
How in-depth is the lore on midi-chlorians, anyway? If it's just like Harry Potter magic blood kind of stuff, it doesn't affect the conclusions on Star Wars' genre much.

This question is coming from someone genuinely not familiar with Star Wars lore.

Midichlorians impregnated Shmi Skywalker. You decide.
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Somebody's forgetting midi-chlorians...
How in-depth is the lore on midi-chlorians, anyway? If it's just like Harry Potter magic blood kind of stuff, it doesn't affect the conclusions on Star Wars' genre much.

This question is coming from someone genuinely not familiar with Star Wars lore.

Midichlorians impregnated Shmi Skywalker. You decide.

The Force impregnated Shmi Skywalker. Midi-chlorians are simply a quantification/demystification of the Force.
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Somebody's forgetting midi-chlorians...
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This question is coming from someone genuinely not familiar with Star Wars lore.

Midichlorians impregnated Shmi Skywalker. You decide.

The Force impregnated Shmi Skywalker. Midi-chlorians are simply a quantification/demystification of the Force. 

Clarification: Palpatine made the Force make the midi-chlorians impregnate Shmi.  Which kind of makes Anakin literally an anti-Christ figure.
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« Reply #105 on: April 16, 2015, 06:36:31 pm »
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Somebody's forgetting midi-chlorians...
How in-depth is the lore on midi-chlorians, anyway? If it's just like Harry Potter magic blood kind of stuff, it doesn't affect the conclusions on Star Wars' genre much.

This question is coming from someone genuinely not familiar with Star Wars lore.

Midichlorians impregnated Shmi Skywalker. You decide.

The Force impregnated Shmi Skywalker. Midi-chlorians are simply a quantification/demystification of the Force.

Midi-chlorians are some sort of wibbly wobbly tiny weeny... stuff. Symbiotic bacteria that mediates between life and the Force. Midi-chlorians "allegedly" conceived Anakin. Wookieepedia has my back on this!

Clarification: Palpatine made the Force make the midi-chlorians impregnate Shmi.  Which kind of makes Anakin literally an anti-Christ figure.

Wait what when did this happen
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Clarification: Palpatine made the Force make the midi-chlorians impregnate Shmi.  Which kind of makes Anakin literally an anti-Christ figure.

Wait what when did this happen

Its part of Star Wars lore that you won't get by simply watching the movies.  I don't know where, but I know it is there somewhere
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« Reply #107 on: April 16, 2015, 10:21:06 pm »
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Spock used a Vulcan Mind Meld to impregnate Shmi Skywalker.
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Midichlorines seemed like an attempt to inject science into the Force. Fortunately, they didn't press too hard, and it was all forgotten in the other movies. Bad mistake to shove that in there.

And I saw the trailer. While it was a nice trailer, I was not floored by it. My reaction to it was not as nerdgastic as some of my friends. I guess I am just approaching this with wary trepidation.

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Midichlorines seemed like an attempt to inject science into the Force. Fortunately, they didn't press too hard, and it was all forgotten in the other movies. Bad mistake to shove that in there.

And I saw the trailer. While it was a nice trailer, I was not floored by it. My reaction to it was not as nerdgastic as some of my friends. I guess I am just approaching this with wary trepidation.

I do agree that Han looks like old Han trying to wear his iconic outfit, which is like a 60-year-old woman trying on her prom dress. Hope that's just for the sake of the trailer. Han did wear more than just that jacket after all.
I still can't figure out why they wanted some old guy to play Han Solo...

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« Reply #110 on: April 17, 2015, 03:16:51 am »
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Midichlorines seemed like an attempt to inject science into the Force. Fortunately, they didn't press too hard, and it was all forgotten in the other movies. Bad mistake to shove that in there.

And I saw the trailer. While it was a nice trailer, I was not floored by it. My reaction to it was not as nerdgastic as some of my friends. I guess I am just approaching this with wary trepidation.

I do agree that Han looks like old Han trying to wear his iconic outfit, which is like a 60-year-old woman trying on her prom dress. Hope that's just for the sake of the trailer. Han did wear more than just that jacket after all.
This trailer did not do much for me either. I liked the other teaser more for the sense of urgency. Anyway, this trailer doesn't really give anything which is either a plus or a negative. I sort of want to know what's going on. Anyway, there are some beautiful shots like the downed Star Destroyer in the sand. This also seems more Star Wars looking than the prequels. But, at the same time, nothing screams this will be as amazing as the originals. On the bright side, this won't come nowhere near as bad as the prequels. Well, this movie is still 8 months from release, so I am sure they are holding a lot back. My guess is a lot of the footage in this teaser is from the first half of the film.
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« Reply #111 on: April 17, 2015, 08:10:14 am »
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There's no need to show too much. The point of showing a lot of what's happening in the trailer is to get people interested in seeing the movie. Star Wars honestly doesn't need that. Hell, if this movie didn't show a single trailer, it'd still do well at the box office.

There is a danger to showing too much. My enjoyment of Terminator 2 was hampered by the marketing geniuses telling all of us that in this movie Schwarzenegger is the good guy. What a lost opportunity. Unless you read too much into the nonlethality of Schwarzenegger at the beginning of the movie (versus the opening of the first one where he rips a guy's heart out), there is really no indication of him being the good guy until the confrontation with the T1000. The marketing execs went too far with this movie, and it's not like I can unlearn that when watching it for the first time.

By contrast, the Matrix marketing was brilliant. What's going on? Dunno. It has Keanu Reeves in black. Well, that's got to be fun, right? What does he do? No idea. Who are the bad guys? We don't even know if there are any. They kept the plot of the Matrix secret, and it made the movie much more enjoyable IMO.

Granted, this is Star Wars. Aside from the paternity of Vader, there haven't really been major twists and turns. The reveal of Leia's relationship to Luke wasn't even that big of a deal when it happened (I'm sure it'll be a bigger deal in Ep 7). So I'm not really expecting anything earth-shattering in terms of plot here, but it could still happen. Brand new characters and plots, so there's a vast playground to build relationships and backstories. The less said, the better.

It does occur to me that the movie comes out on Christmas. Haven't all the previous movies been released in May? It's not  greatly unsettling, but I'm a little sad to see tradition bucked.
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Watched Star Wars IV for the first time.

- There are a lot more alien creatures in the beginning than I thought there'd be.
- It's very strange watching a movie where I recognize 80-90% of the scenes through parodies, references, and Darths & Droids screencaps.
- It's also very strange to see the plot the way it originally was, instead of the way it's been bent and twisted by D&D. (I knew the broad strokes beforehand, but the small details are all slightly different.)
- It lived up to the hype.
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Watched Star Wars IV for the first time.

- There are a lot more alien creatures in the beginning than I thought there'd be.
- It's very strange watching a movie where I recognize 80-90% of the scenes through parodies, references, and Darths & Droids screencaps.
- It's also very strange to see the plot the way it originally was, instead of the way it's been bent and twisted by D&D. (I knew the broad strokes beforehand, but the small details are all slightly different.)
- It lived up to the hype.

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« Reply #119 on: May 02, 2015, 02:54:18 pm »
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So, here's my take on the Prequels. You can hate the bad acting, because there certainly is some. You can hate the bad writing, because there's certainly a lot of it. You can hate the cinematography, because, let's face it, George Lucas gets bored when he's just filming people talking.

What PISSES me off is when people start going on about "oh, it's all just politics, it's so boring, who cares about taxation and trade routes wahhhh" Like, seriously? Are you really that much of a spastic three-year-old that you need explosions and fight scenes every three seconds and can't be bothered to think about anything? The politics and all that is what I LIKE about the Prequels. Rather than just a straight good vs. evil story, it's a story about temptation and manipulation and corruption, which is far more interesting than just white hat vs. black hat cowboy shoot-em-ups.

What I really, *really* hope is that J.J. Abrams takes a philosophical, nuanced look in this new film. If it's just good guys vs. bad guys, I will be disappointed. It'll probably still be a decent movie with awesome special effects, but the Star Wars saga really deserves more than that at this point.
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Politics were the single best thing about the Prequels.

Also, Episdoe 2 was the best of the Prequels.
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Politics were the single best thing about the Prequels.

Also, Episdoe 2 was the best of the Prequels.

Yeah I thought that too when I saw them years ago. I can't remember why though.
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« Reply #123 on: May 02, 2015, 03:48:49 pm »
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Politics were the single best thing about the Prequels.

Also, Episdoe 2 was the best of the Prequels.
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What makes you prefer 2 over 3?
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« Reply #124 on: May 02, 2015, 04:01:19 pm »
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Politics were the single best thing about the Prequels.

Also, Episdoe 2 was the best of the Prequels.

yeah, honestly, I thought the first movie was awful, the second one really good, and the third one kind of stupid but also kind of fun. And unlike everyone else here, I didn't like any of 4-6, so as far as I'm concerned #2 is by far the best starwars movie.

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Politics were the single best thing about the Prequels.

Also, Episdoe 2 was the best of the Prequels.
Agreed x2

What makes you prefer 2 over 3?

Honestly, I think it was how quickly they "turned" Anakin... The first half of the movie worked well with Ep.I and Ep.II but the second half of the movie seemed to fall apart when they forced it to end exactly where "A New Hope" begins.

(I also didn't like the ending of the latest Hobbit movie, for the same reason.)
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« Reply #126 on: May 02, 2015, 04:16:31 pm »
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Politics were the single best thing about the Prequels.

Also, Episdoe 2 was the best of the Prequels.
Agreed x2

What makes you prefer 2 over 3?

Honestly, I think it was how quickly they "turned" Anakin... The first half of the movie worked well with Ep.I and Ep.II but the second half of the movie seemed to fall apart when they forced it to end exactly where "A New Hope" begins.

(I also didn't like the ending of the latest Hobbit movie, for the same reason.)

The Hobbit movies are shit.  Except for Smaug.  Smaug was the only (ONLY) good thing about those movies.  Okay, Martin Freeman acted well.  But that's it!  The Prequels at least have more than 1.5 redeeming qualities.
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« Reply #127 on: May 02, 2015, 04:55:57 pm »
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Politics were the single best thing about the Prequels.

Also, Episdoe 2 was the best of the Prequels.
Agreed x2

What makes you prefer 2 over 3?

If you pay attention to any of the action scenes in #3, it becomes really hard to take them seriously. There are countless moments where main characters could have been killed but the bad guys just don't do it, both during and in between fights scenes. For instance, Obi Wan just jumps into a large group of droids and stuff, and only doesn't die because grievous chooses to duel him. Later during their fight, there is a moment when grievous has obi van in his grip and could have easily killed him, but instead just throws him away, allowing him to find this laser gun and win the fight. When the 4 Jedi come to arrest Sidious, 3 of them just stand by while he kills them one by one, so that he can have the duel with Mace. Every fight scene in the movie is full of those things. The Jedi just keep surviving with ridiculous luck and nonsensical behavior from their opponents.

That's the one reason. The other reason is the whole thing of anakin turning evil, which is like the main arc of the film. That's harder to explain, but the Palpetine's persuasion just seems so weak. The idea is that he becomes evil to save his girlfriend, but it doesn't make sense, because he had a vision of her dying while giving birth. Even if the sith could prevent death, how does he expect to learn it in a few months? Also, why does he suddenly flip his entire political view? That's some serious confirmation bias. And the key moment... dunno, that's just cruel to watch. Kind of like GoT the combat with oberyn and the mountain.

The second movie really doesn't have any of these problems. The big fight at the end makes sense and didn't kill my suspension of disbelief. Even the jedi fights at the very end are much more reasonable.

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« Reply #128 on: May 02, 2015, 05:01:24 pm »
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Politics were the single best thing about the Prequels.

Also, Episdoe 2 was the best of the Prequels.
Agreed x2

What makes you prefer 2 over 3?

Honestly, I think it was how quickly they "turned" Anakin... The first half of the movie worked well with Ep.I and Ep.II but the second half of the movie seemed to fall apart when they forced it to end exactly where "A New Hope" begins.

(I also didn't like the ending of the latest Hobbit movie, for the same reason.)

The Hobbit movies are shit.  Except for Smaug.  Smaug was the only (ONLY) good thing about those movies.  Okay, Martin Freeman acted well.  But that's it!  The Prequels at least have more than 1.5 redeeming qualities.

The Hobbit movies are brilliant. I usually vastly prefer animation over live action movies, but the Hobbit movies are some of the very few live action movies that actually look pretty much as good as animated movies, and they manage to be incredibly simple without being boring. The only disappointing (although, not surprising) thing about them is that none of the ending songs are performed by Summoning.
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« Reply #129 on: May 02, 2015, 05:04:12 pm »
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Politics were the single best thing about the Prequels.

Also, Episdoe 2 was the best of the Prequels.

yeah, honestly, I thought the first movie was awful, the second one really good, and the third one kind of stupid but also kind of fun. And unlike everyone else here, I didn't like any of 4-6, so as far as I'm concerned #2 is by far the best starwars movie.

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well, to be fair 5 was alright-ish; 4 is just too old to be enjoyable and 6 is straight up bad.

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« Reply #131 on: May 02, 2015, 11:29:29 pm »
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well, to be fair 5 was alright-ish; 4 is just too old to be enjoyable and 6 is straight up bad.

It was a rough time for me when I realized that 6 just wasn't as good as I remembered it. Granted, the Jabba scene was really cool, but that was one of the dumbest rescue plans ever. Everything building up toward the end was pretty decent, but the Ewoks really did drag the movie down quite a bit. The Ewoks were like Jar Jar, but there were more of them. And the Chewbacca Tarzan yell was really out of place. And let's not forget that this movie had two burp jokes. Burp jokes in a Star Wars film. I saw this when I was 11, and I thought it was excellent. As an adult, the illusion is shattered.

But I wouldn't say 6 was terrible. It had enough bad things to make it not great, but it did manage to avoid being terrible.
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« Reply #132 on: May 02, 2015, 11:36:02 pm »
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I think we can all agree that the worst one is the Christmas special. Ugh.
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« Reply #133 on: May 02, 2015, 11:39:08 pm »
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I think we can all agree that the worst one is the Christmas special. Ugh.

There are... moments... where it's so bad it's "good."  But those moments are interspersed with vast tracts of the kind of boredom you can only possibly get from the unholy, incestuous hellspawn of C-SPAN and QVC.
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« Reply #135 on: May 02, 2015, 11:58:57 pm »
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So, here's my take on the Prequels. You can hate the bad acting, because there certainly is some. You can hate the bad writing, because there's certainly a lot of it. You can hate the cinematography, because, let's face it, George Lucas gets bored when he's just filming people talking.

What PISSES me off is when people start going on about "oh, it's all just politics, it's so boring, who cares about taxation and trade routes wahhhh" Like, seriously? Are you really that much of a spastic three-year-old that you need explosions and fight scenes every three seconds and can't be bothered to think about anything? The politics and all that is what I LIKE about the Prequels. Rather than just a straight good vs. evil story, it's a story about temptation and manipulation and corruption, which is far more interesting than just white hat vs. black hat cowboy shoot-em-ups.

What I really, *really* hope is that J.J. Abrams takes a philosophical, nuanced look in this new film. If it's just good guys vs. bad guys, I will be disappointed. It'll probably still be a decent movie with awesome special effects, but the Star Wars saga really deserves more than that at this point.

In principle I don't disagree with you on this, but there's nothing terribly interesting about the politics seen in the prequels.  It's so stale, awkward, and ham-fisted that they WOULD have been better off as pure action movies.  My biggest problems with the prequels are that they exist and if taken seriously serve to make me dislike (and I mean this in a bad way, not in a "wow this is cool that it changed my perception" way) characters that I enjoyed from the OT, especially Yoda and Obi-Wan.  The only thing I do actually like about the prequels is Palpatine.  He really hams it up in an entertaining way and is the one character that felt like he matches what we'd have expected if the films were produced directly after the OT.  Other than that, the rest of my opinions on these match Mr. Plinkett's for the most part so I'll not bother reiterating them.

Return of the Jedi is a great film.  It's worse than New Hope and Empire, but really only because of the Ewoks (the film just would have been far better served had they been Wookies for various reasons) and the totally random "Leia is your sister" reveal that failed to interest anybody and felt inserted for shock value.  There are some pacing issues, but they are not uncommon in these types of movies and don't detract a whole lot for me.  The climactic scenes of the film, especially the standoff between Vader, Luke, and Sidious, are among the best parts of the series.  The moment when Vader turns on the Emperor is such a thrilling part of his character arc that it truly touched me when I was old enough to understand all the implications of the scene.

My favorite Star Wars film is the original, although I love Empire as well.  I love how old and beaten-up everything looks; you actually get the sense that this is a real universe people have been existing in, whereas everything in the prequels is brand new and shiny (I can sort of understand that artistic decision, but it's beside the point here and it's still jarring to me).  The early dynamic between Luke, Han, Leia, 3PO, Chewie, and Ben is great.  I know that's a lot of characters, but the way they work together is very well-directed, and a lot of films could stand to learn from it.  Even though we don't know much about some of the characters as of this film, there is still a lot of weight to their big moments, like the duel with Darth Vader and Luke's faith in the Force helping him take down the Death Star. 
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Not everything in the prequels is new and shiny.  Tatooine certainly isn't.  Coruscant is deliberately new and shiny (except for the parts of it that deliberately aren't in Clones) because it's supposed to represent a facade of opulence hiding the decay of corruption.  The original trilogy is all worn and lived in because everything has gone to shit since the Empire was formed.  I just feel that, out of all the things to nitpick, this seems like a silly one to.

What I like most about the prequels, and what a lot of Star Wars fans seem to forget (or want to forget), is the worldbuilding done.  The backstory that frames the original trilogy.  The Jedi used to basically run the galaxy, there were thousands of them, but they had gotten stiff and stale and monastic, and were out of touch.  After Order 66, Obi-Wan and Yoda realize this is a problem, which is why they don't train Luke the way that they were trained.

However, if you think about it, it makes a bit of sense to have the Jedi be, at least to a certain extent, monastic and distant.  The Sith, particularly Anakin,  make it very clear what happens when a Force-user lets their emotions get the better of them.  We're talking about people who can warp reality to their very whim and maybe they should be trained to stay cool and collected and not try to, you know, take over the universe.
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The preview for Force Awakens looks really great in 3D :)
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« Reply #139 on: May 03, 2015, 08:18:46 am »
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Edit: Man, I regret this post.  If you already read it, I apologize if it seemed insulting.  I was just really bummed by your first paragraph; you can express that point without insulting someone, you know.  This is why I try to avoid arguing on the internet at all.

I apologize; it was late at night when I posted that, and I was rather harsh.  I'll edit my own post, though I have no idea what your post originally was.

The preview for Force Awakens looks really great in 3D :)

YES IT DOES
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Uh, excuse me? Episode II is freaking the worst. I lose my hand :'(

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« Reply #144 on: May 05, 2015, 06:13:15 am »
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Watched Empire for first time.

I like IV more. Every famous line from Empire is old to me. 95% of the plot was old to me. 90% of the scenes were old to me. Once all of that's been spoiled, the only parts I have left are the action...except a lot of the action was spoiled to me too, so I was barely in any suspense. I knew the walkers get taken down by harpoons; I knew Han went into the asteroid field and hides inside a space worm; I knew Lando would have misgivings at the last minute, and so on.

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Every famous line from Empire is old to me. 95% of the plot was old to me. 90% of the scenes were old to me. Once all of that's been spoiled, the only parts I have left are the action...except a lot of the action was spoiled to me too, so I was barely in any suspense. I knew the walkers get taken down by harpoons; I knew Han went into the asteroid field and hides inside a space worm; I knew Lando would have misgivings at the last minute, and so on.

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« Reply #146 on: May 05, 2015, 09:04:31 am »
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Watched Empire for first time.

I like IV more. Every famous line from Empire is old to me. 95% of the plot was old to me. 90% of the scenes were old to me. Once all of that's been spoiled, the only parts I have left are the action...except a lot of the action was spoiled to me too, so I was barely in any suspense. I knew the walkers get taken down by harpoons; I knew Han went into the asteroid field and hides inside a space worm; I knew Lando would have misgivings at the last minute, and so on.

That being said, the Luke/Vader fight still holds up very well.

well, you can't hold that against the movie though, right? I mean, it's just based on your context.

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I'm not holding it against the movie, I'm only saying why I didn't like it as much. I still enjoyed it.

Re: fun to know beforehand: I tend to disagree. I can enjoy movies where I know the plot, but there's a difference between knowing "Rebels are on the ice world Hoth and have to fight against Imperial walkers" and "In the fight, Luke's ship is going to crash, at which point he'll run on foot to a walker, pull himself up, and use his lightsaber to take down a walker, after which Han takes Leia out on the Falcon and Luke goes to Dagobah where his ship will land in a swamp, and..."
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« Reply #148 on: May 05, 2015, 02:26:19 pm »
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I'm not holding it against the movie, I'm only saying why I didn't like it as much. I still enjoyed it.

Re: fun to know beforehand: I tend to disagree. I can enjoy movies where I know the plot, but there's a difference between knowing "Rebels are on the ice world Hoth and have to fight against Imperial walkers" and "In the fight, Luke's ship is going to crash, at which point he'll run on foot to a walker, pull himself up, and use his lightsaber to take down a walker, after which Han takes Leia out on the Falcon and Luke goes to Dagobah where his ship will land in a swamp, and..."
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« Reply #149 on: May 05, 2015, 02:38:48 pm »
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I'm not holding it against the movie, I'm only saying why I didn't like it as much. I still enjoyed it.

Re: fun to know beforehand: I tend to disagree. I can enjoy movies where I know the plot, but there's a difference between knowing "Rebels are on the ice world Hoth and have to fight against Imperial walkers" and "In the fight, Luke's ship is going to crash, at which point he'll run on foot to a walker, pull himself up, and use his lightsaber to take down a walker, after which Han takes Leia out on the Falcon and Luke goes to Dagobah where his ship will land in a swamp, and..."
So, you dislike watching movies multiple times.

There's a difference between watching a spoiled movie, and watching a movie you've seen before.
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I'm not holding it against the movie, I'm only saying why I didn't like it as much. I still enjoyed it.

Re: fun to know beforehand: I tend to disagree. I can enjoy movies where I know the plot, but there's a difference between knowing "Rebels are on the ice world Hoth and have to fight against Imperial walkers" and "In the fight, Luke's ship is going to crash, at which point he'll run on foot to a walker, pull himself up, and use his lightsaber to take down a walker, after which Han takes Leia out on the Falcon and Luke goes to Dagobah where his ship will land in a swamp, and..."
So, you dislike watching movies multiple times.

There's a difference between watching a spoiled movie, and watching a movie you've seen before.

I have to agree. There are plenty of movies I enjoy watching multiple times, but watching a movie for the first time is unique. Maybe you'll catch something new on the second or twentieth viewing, but those viewings are generally about the same. You can't re-experience your first time.

A great example of this would be Memento. I have seen that movie at least a dozen times, and they're all enjoyable. None of the subsequent viewings blew my mind like the initial viewing, though.

I can't really speak too much about the plot twists in the original trilogy. I was 8 when I saw Empire. While I recognized the father revelation, it didn't register as monumental to my kid brain. The sister revelation was grokked better by my 11-year-old brain, though, but not enough to realize how silly that was getting. I'm sure that Empire could have been really cool for the adults in the theatre. It would have been like a soap opera...but with lightsabers.
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The thing I am most looking forward to is people that grew up with the prequels behaving towards the sequel(s) the same way the people that grew up with the original trilogy behave towards the prequels.
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I'm just sitting here hoping they don't suck.
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Is J.J. Abrams, it can't be terrible.
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So Andy Serkis' character is called Supreme Leader... Snoke.
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Is J.J. Abrams, it can't be terrible.

...I guess you haven't seen the Star Trek reboot?
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« Reply #157 on: May 28, 2015, 09:54:10 pm »
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Is J.J. Abrams, it can't be terrible.

...I guess you haven't seen the Star Trek reboot?

That wasn't terrible.  It just wasn't Star Trek.
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...I guess you haven't seen the Star Trek reboot?

That wasn't terrible.  It just wasn't Star Trek.

A good point.
I can't seem to find it online, but I read an article a couple years ago that compared JJ Abrams Star Trek to Star Wars and the similarities were, well, numerous.
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He's basically a great fit for Star Wars and was a bad fit for Star Trek (despite making movies people liked, but Trekkies had mixed feelings about).
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Eeeeeee the Star Wars panel at SDCC starts in an hour and a half.  Anybody in San Diego right now?
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It's kinda sweet to see the excitement and the I-can't-believe-I-am-doing-this-ness of the people involved.
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It's kinda sweet to see the excitement and the I-can't-believe-I-am-doing-this-ness of the people involved.

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It's kinda sweet to see the excitement and the I-can't-believe-I-am-doing-this-ness of the people involved.

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It's kinda sweet to see the excitement and the I-can't-believe-I-am-doing-this-ness of the people involved.

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I'm just sad they didn't want me in the movie... They hired some actor instead.

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« Reply #171 on: July 12, 2015, 09:41:05 pm »
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http://www.starwarsringtheory.com/

I still don't like the prequels, but I can appreciate what Lucas tried to do.
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http://www.starwarsringtheory.com/

I still don't like the prequels, but I can appreciate what Lucas tried to do.

That was a very interesting read.  I wonder how much of it is the literary/film equivalent of numerology though.
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Speaking of numerology: three movies in a trilogy; three total trilogies.  Half-Life 3 confirmed?
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Finn squaring off against Kylo Ren, Dark Jedi of the Ren Order. Not as cool as me mind you, but pretty awesome. Finn looks like he's not ready.
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Yet Another Death Star?

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« Reply #178 on: October 19, 2015, 11:28:43 pm »
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Every trailer I get excited to see new scenes of breathe-heavy black man.

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Every trailer I get excited to see new scenes of breathe-heavy black man.

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« Reply #181 on: October 20, 2015, 12:14:54 pm »
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Well, that trailer made me neither more excited nor less excited for the film. It projects pure "epic", but what I want is "fun".
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Well, that trailer made me neither more excited nor less excited for the film. It projects pure "epic", but what I want is "fun".

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Any idea who is the little big-eyed guy next to R2-D2?

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« Reply #184 on: October 20, 2015, 02:21:46 pm »
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Well, that trailer made me neither more excited nor less excited for the film. It projects pure "epic", but what I want is "fun".

So you want Guardians of the Long Time Ago Galaxy That Is Far Far Away?

Yes, that exactly.

I guess another thing is that, I don't want the movie to be shackled to the previous ones. I don't want the film to constantly wink at me, asking, "Hey, remember this character/location/situation?" The less we see of characters from the previous films, the better. Naturally the trailers are doing as much of this goddamn winking as possible. I just hope the film itself does less of it.
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« Reply #185 on: October 20, 2015, 02:41:57 pm »
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Well, that trailer made me neither more excited nor less excited for the film. It projects pure "epic", but what I want is "fun".

So you want Guardians of the Long Time Ago Galaxy That Is Far Far Away?

I would watch that every day and twice on Sunday.
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« Reply #186 on: October 20, 2015, 02:43:57 pm »
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Well, that trailer made me neither more excited nor less excited for the film. It projects pure "epic", but what I want is "fun".

So you want Guardians of the Long Time Ago Galaxy That Is Far Far Away?

Yes, that exactly.

I guess another thing is that, I don't want the movie to be shackled to the previous ones. I don't want the film to constantly wink at me, asking, "Hey, remember this character/location/situation?" The less we see of characters from the previous films, the better. Naturally the trailers are doing as much of this goddamn winking as possible. I just hope the film itself does less of it.

I do want it to be shackled to them - I want it to acknowledge and be aware of episodes I-VI - but not in a "wink, wink, nudge, nudge" nostalgia-driven way.  I want it to build on, expand upon, move naturally forward from what came before; to be aware of its history, but not be stuck in the past.

See Jurassic World for the wrong way to do this.
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« Reply #187 on: October 20, 2015, 04:37:21 pm »
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I just now learned what most people probably knew a while ago... this isn't produced by 20th Century Fox, thus no standard fanfare music before the Star Wars music. I'm quite disappointed. It's a small thing, but that music has always been part of Star Wars in my mind. Whenever I heard it, I mentally expect it to be followed by the Star Wars theme. It just won't be the same without it.
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« Reply #188 on: October 20, 2015, 04:39:30 pm »
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I just now learned what most people probably knew a while ago... this isn't produced by 20th Century Fox, thus no standard fanfare music before the Star Wars music. I'm quite disappointed. It's a small thing, but that music has always been part of Star Wars in my mind. Whenever I heard it, I mentally expect it to be followed by the Star Wars theme. It just won't be the same without it.

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« Reply #189 on: October 20, 2015, 04:42:08 pm »
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I just now learned what most people probably knew a while ago... this isn't produced by 20th Century Fox, thus no standard fanfare music before the Star Wars music. I'm quite disappointed. It's a small thing, but that music has always been part of Star Wars in my mind. Whenever I heard it, I mentally expect it to be followed by the Star Wars theme. It just won't be the same without it.

Can someone make a patch for this?

I'll just bring a boombox into the speaker and play the fanfare at just the right moment.
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« Reply #190 on: October 20, 2015, 05:59:16 pm »
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I'll just bring a boombox into the speaker and play the fanfare at just the right moment.

It's going to be a short John Williams fanfare over the Lucasfilm logo.  No Disney logo, no Bad Robot logo.
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« Reply #191 on: October 21, 2015, 08:47:08 am »
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« Reply #192 on: October 21, 2015, 07:07:43 pm »
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You guys might be interested in this.

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« Reply #195 on: October 22, 2015, 12:43:28 am »
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You guys might be interested in this.

Ties things together even more nicely than 3 did, but wouldn't be nearly as fun.  Fun little read though, thanks!

Eh.  Anakin's fall really needs to be a temptation - that's what the Dark Side is about.  It's not supposed to seem reasonable or anything, and it's mainly going on inside your head.  And personally I think the entire Order 66 sequence is the best in the entire Prequel trilogy.  It's something the Jedi simply were not expecting, and their overconfidence in their abilities, even blinded as they were, led to their downfall.  I know a lot of fans think they're supposed to be rooting for the Jedi, and get confused by this, but the Jedi were just as bloated, corrupted and self-absorbed as the Senate was at this point.  All those seemingly arbitrary restrictions and rules, all the condescension - all of this may have been in place to prevent a Jedi from turning, but in the end was what actually ended up causing Anakin to fall to the Dark Side.  The reason why Obi-Wan and Yoda are much more introspective and spiritual in the OT is because they've realized the ways of the Jedi had to change.  They failed not just because of the outside force of Palpatine, but because of inside hubris as well.
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« Reply #196 on: October 22, 2015, 09:58:00 am »
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« Reply #199 on: October 23, 2015, 07:17:15 pm »
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Ties things together even more nicely than 3 did, but wouldn't be nearly as fun.  Fun little read though, thanks!

Eh.  Anakin's fall really needs to be a temptation - that's what the Dark Side is about.  It's not supposed to seem reasonable or anything, and it's mainly going on inside your head.  And personally I think the entire Order 66 sequence is the best in the entire Prequel trilogy.  It's something the Jedi simply were not expecting, and their overconfidence in their abilities, even blinded as they were, led to their downfall.  I know a lot of fans think they're supposed to be rooting for the Jedi, and get confused by this, but the Jedi were just as bloated, corrupted and self-absorbed as the Senate was at this point.  All those seemingly arbitrary restrictions and rules, all the condescension - all of this may have been in place to prevent a Jedi from turning, but in the end was what actually ended up causing Anakin to fall to the Dark Side.  The reason why Obi-Wan and Yoda are much more introspective and spiritual in the OT is because they've realized the ways of the Jedi had to change.  They failed not just because of the outside force of Palpatine, but because of inside hubris as well.

So much of this.  The Jedi as portrayed in the prequels were utterly useless, stifled by indecision, and morally bankrupt because they were unable to take any meaningful actions at all.

Oh, and they were separating children from their parents after giving them a blood test, because, despite being these supposed paragons of virtue, and magically powerful, no one was *volunteering* to become a Jedi.
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« Reply #200 on: October 26, 2015, 06:18:07 pm »
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« Reply #202 on: November 03, 2015, 09:38:56 pm »
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Actually convincing theory: Jar Jar is a Sith Lord.
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« Reply #203 on: November 04, 2015, 01:10:07 pm »
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Actually convincing theory: Jar Jar is a Sith Lord.

This is actually incredibly well thought out, including the meta reasoning for why it turned out he was never revealed to be one in the prequels.
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« Reply #204 on: November 04, 2015, 02:33:53 pm »
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I am inclined to believe Jar Jar had a bigger role initially too. Lucas said in the TPM behind the scenes footage "Jar Jar is the key to everything" at one point. I think he was talking about getting kids interested in the film, but maybe he had a bigger plan too. Dooku did always seem like a random character thrown in there too. I'm not sure I buy that Jar Jar would be above Sidious, though. Perhaps he was intended to be a spy or even an apprentice. Well, I guess it's up to Lucas if that will ever be revealed. Great reasoning in the reddit post, with quality examples.

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« Reply #205 on: November 04, 2015, 02:52:53 pm »
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« Reply #206 on: November 04, 2015, 04:44:57 pm »
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Just because Christopher Lee can make a character awesome doesn't mean that the character didn't feel random. It's not Lee's fault if the script seemed lacking when it came to his character. He took that character and owned the fuck out of it.

Jar Jar did kick off the civil war, which makes sense because when you put someone that stupid in charge of something, he's going to screw it up. So who put him in charge? *glare*
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« Reply #207 on: November 04, 2015, 06:43:14 pm »
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Ultimate twist:  Jar Jar is Anakin's father.
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« Reply #208 on: November 04, 2015, 07:17:27 pm »
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Ultimate twist:  Jar Jar is Anakin's father.

I just tried to imagine Jar Jar saying the famous line, but I just couldn't do it.
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« Reply #209 on: November 04, 2015, 07:30:16 pm »
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Ultimate twist:  Jar Jar is Anakin's father.

I just tried to imagine Jar Jar saying the famous line, but I just couldn't do it.

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« Reply #212 on: November 10, 2015, 08:29:00 pm »
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Isn't this just the movie scene re-enacted?

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« Reply #216 on: November 24, 2015, 01:01:49 pm »
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So Star Wars DVD/Blue Ray set was pretty cheap over Thanksgiving, so I picked up Episode I--III.  I just watched Episode I yesterday; I don't think I've seen it since it was in theaters.  I was hoping it would be better than I remembered, but it was actually much worse :(  It's like every bit of drama, suspense, adventure, etc. is completely undermined by poor dialogue and a very feeble attempt to comic relief. 
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So Star Wars DVD/Blue Ray set was pretty cheap over Thanksgiving, so I picked up Episode I--III.  I just watched Episode I yesterday; I don't think I've seen it since it was in theaters.  I was hoping it would be better than I remembered, but it was actually much worse :(  It's like every bit of drama, suspense, adventure, etc. is completely undermined by poor dialogue and a very feeble attempt to comic relief.

There are really only two bits I like from Episode I - the scene where Anakin leaves his mother is surprisingly heartbreaking, and then the end battle is just balls out insane.  Everything else is just kind of... there?  It's like there are some good ideas, just executed poorly.
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« Reply #219 on: December 08, 2015, 12:24:43 pm »
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So Star Wars DVD/Blue Ray set was pretty cheap over Thanksgiving, so I picked up Episode I--III.  I just watched Episode I yesterday; I don't think I've seen it since it was in theaters.  I was hoping it would be better than I remembered, but it was actually much worse :(  It's like every bit of drama, suspense, adventure, etc. is completely undermined by poor dialogue and a very feeble attempt to comic relief.

There are really only two bits I like from Episode I - the scene where Anakin leaves his mother is surprisingly heartbreaking, and then the end battle is just balls out insane.  Everything else is just kind of... there?  It's like there are some good ideas, just executed poorly.

I dunno.. rewatching, the scene where Anakin leaves was cringey for me.  I didn't really feel for the characters at all.  The final battle was okay, but again undermined by JarJar taking out dozens of droids and battle machines by pure stupidity, as well as Anakin doing... well, everything that he did.  I mean, I understand that in some sense you want to convey that in some sense these characters are guided and protected by the Force, even if they have no awareness of it, but it's just too.. light-hearted and goofy.

Even the humor in Return of the Jedi was much better done, and it was contrasted with dark and serious scenes (like Endor battle juxtaposed with Luke vs. Vader and the Emperor). 

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« Reply #220 on: December 08, 2015, 12:49:46 pm »
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So Star Wars DVD/Blue Ray set was pretty cheap over Thanksgiving, so I picked up Episode I--III.  I just watched Episode I yesterday; I don't think I've seen it since it was in theaters.  I was hoping it would be better than I remembered, but it was actually much worse :(  It's like every bit of drama, suspense, adventure, etc. is completely undermined by poor dialogue and a very feeble attempt to comic relief.

I always (well, not actually always) thought the first movie was abysmal. but the second is much better! you should enjoy that one.

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I sometimes wonder whether i'd hate episode VI if it came out today. I mean, the death star story is just a rip-off from episode IV, and what's with those teddy bears killing Storm Troopers Home-alone-style? When were those space-nazis replaced with Mr. Darkhood there, and how come R2D2 and C3PO can walk through the fire of battle without a scratch? I mean, i also prefer VI over the prequels, but i doubt the reason's anything but nostalgia.

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« Reply #222 on: December 08, 2015, 01:29:49 pm »
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I sometimes wonder whether i'd hate episode VI if it came out today.

you would. the sixth is the second worst after the first.

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« Reply #225 on: December 08, 2015, 04:03:13 pm »
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http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-ways-new-star-wars-could-be-disaster/

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« Reply #227 on: December 08, 2015, 05:19:20 pm »
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I sometimes wonder whether i'd hate episode VI if it came out today. I mean, the death star story is just a rip-off from episode IV, and what's with those teddy bears killing Storm Troopers Home-alone-style? When were those space-nazis replaced with Mr. Darkhood there, and how come R2D2 and C3PO can walk through the fire of battle without a scratch? I mean, i also prefer VI over the prequels, but i doubt the reason's anything but nostalgia.

Also, two burp jokes and a Tarzan joke.

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« Reply #228 on: December 08, 2015, 06:14:16 pm »
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How viable is this plan?

http://www.dorkly.com/post/76692/star-wars-a-new-hope-could-have-been-handled-in-5-seconds

Not very, light sabers can't cut through everything immediately, plus they have handles that would probably catch on something. Think about when Luke and Vader fight in Empire Strikes back, their sabers are constantly bouncing off metal things (see this video around 5 minutes)

Plus look at Qui Gon cutting through the blast doors in Phantom Menace. This video around 2 minutes in here:

He can't cut through those blast doors particularly quickly.

If Obiwan had dropped his light saber it probably would have just gotten stuck in the floor and Vader would have picked it up after chopping Obiwan in two or if the floor was particularly flimsy he probably would have had some storm trooper pick it up a few floor down when it eventually hit something reasonably durable.

There's a more elaborate list of things that light sabers can't cut through if you look into the various Star Wars wikis too if you're curious, but I wanted to just use movie examples.
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« Reply #229 on: December 08, 2015, 10:03:44 pm »
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Michio Kaku (physicist guy) once made a TV special on how you could make a realistic working lightsaber, and his plan involved a telescoping ceramic blade heated to unreasonable temperatures.  In that instance, it would certainly make sense for physical objects to resist, though still be melted by, a lightsaber.

However, if you're going by the crystals and contained plasma beam thing, it would start to get weird.  No matter how hot the lightsaber was, it wouldn't cut instantly through everything.  However, a plasma is a gas (sort of), even if contained by a magnetic field or whatever.  So if you tried to shove a lightsaber through something, the magnetic field would pass through the material, and the plasma would be compressed.  That would heat it up more, and it would start to melt through whatever you were cutting, but after a certain point, you'd no longer be able to push, as you no longer have the physical strength to compress the plasma further.

As for lightsaber combat, I'm pretty sure it's mostly down to the magnetic fields.  Blaster bolts are obviously not lasers, but bits of plasma, and so would interact with the lightsaber's magnetic field.  Dueling with a lightsaber, your magnetic fields would collide with each other.  And then vibroblades or whatever General Grievous' droid pikemen have are quite obviously electrically charged, and thus interacting magnetically as well.
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« Reply #230 on: December 17, 2015, 10:36:23 am »
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I've got a bad feeling about this...
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Poe flies an x-wing. Finn is a storm trooper. Kylo is not a Sith. BB-8 is carrying something. Rey is a scavenger. Leia and Han know each other. Luke is played by Mark Hamill. And lightsabers kill people.
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« Reply #231 on: December 17, 2015, 10:55:56 am »
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I watched the new movie yesterday, I enjoyed it a lot. The best one since the Empire stroke back.
Spoiler, generally referencing how the plot is structured: It has got essentially the same story arch as a new Hope (and Episode VI for that matter). It's obviously not a vile remake, and there are sure some unexpected plot twists, but I hope they'll stray a bit more from the trodden on the next two movies, plot-wise.
The feeling is much much more Original Trilogy-ish, but without the '80ish feeling. There were a couple of dei ex machina to carry the plot forward that could have been easily avoided and they bug me a fair bit. (That's S2R2 randomly waking up with all the answers we'd been looking for just as the story hits a dead end. Also, the way Han Solo enters the movie felt cheap storywise.)
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« Reply #232 on: December 17, 2015, 11:05:04 am »
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I've got a bad feeling about this...
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Vader kills Dumbledore.
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« Reply #233 on: December 17, 2015, 11:35:14 am »
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I watched the new movie yesterday, I enjoyed it a lot. The best one since the Empire stroke back.
Spoiler, generally referencing how the plot is structured: It has got essentially the same story arch as a new Hope (and Episode VI for that matter). It's obviously not a vile remake, and there are sure some unexpected plot twists, but I hope they'll stray a bit more from the trodden on the next two movies, plot-wise.
The feeling is much much more Original Trilogy-ish, but without the '80ish feeling. There were a couple of dei ex machina to carry the plot forward that could have been easily avoided and they bug me a fair bit. (That's S2R2 randomly waking up with all the answers we'd been looking for just as the story hits a dead end. Also, the way Han Solo enters the movie felt cheap storywise.)
Overall, infinitely better than I expected.
My biggest issue was the small chasm ex machina between Rey and Kylo.
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« Reply #234 on: December 17, 2015, 11:55:01 am »
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I watched the new movie yesterday, I enjoyed it a lot. The best one since the Empire stroke back.
Spoiler, generally referencing how the plot is structured: It has got essentially the same story arch as a new Hope (and Episode VI for that matter). It's obviously not a vile remake, and there are sure some unexpected plot twists, but I hope they'll stray a bit more from the trodden on the next two movies, plot-wise.
The feeling is much much more Original Trilogy-ish, but without the '80ish feeling. There were a couple of dei ex machina to carry the plot forward that could have been easily avoided and they bug me a fair bit. (That's S2R2 randomly waking up with all the answers we'd been looking for just as the story hits a dead end. Also, the way Han Solo enters the movie felt cheap storywise.)
Overall, infinitely better than I expected.
My biggest issue was the small chasm ex machina between Rey and Kylo.

Yeah, that one too! How could I forget to list it. Really annoying, and avoidable too. It's the kind of things that suddently puts your suspension of disbelief on high stress.
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« Reply #235 on: December 17, 2015, 04:59:33 pm »
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Spoiler, generally referencing how the plot is structured: It has got essentially the same story arch as a new Hope (and Episode VI for that matter). It's obviously not a vile remake, and there are sure some unexpected plot twists, but I hope they'll stray a bit more from the trodden on the next two movies, plot-wise.

Wow, that's pretty much exactly what I DIDN'T want the movie to be. Hopefully I'll enjoy it anyway. *grumble grumble*
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« Reply #236 on: December 17, 2015, 10:09:33 pm »
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I'm putting this in double spoilers because it's an ACTUAL spoiler, so don't scroll over if you don't want to be spoiled:

You've been warned!  Move your mouse away!

I felt that the way Rey's arc developed is the way Anakin should have been handled in the prequels.  The way she just instinctively picks up Force aptitude makes her far more likely to have been conceived by midi-chlorians or whatever.

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« Reply #237 on: December 17, 2015, 11:52:27 pm »
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I'm putting this in double spoilers because it's an ACTUAL spoiler, so don't scroll over if you don't want to be spoiled:

You've been warned!  Move your mouse away!

I felt that the way Rey's arc developed is the way Anakin should have been handled in the prequels.  The way she just instinctively picks up Force aptitude makes her far more likely to have been conceived by midi-chlorians or whatever.

Don't let your mouse go over the thing between these!


I agree with your spoiler, wero. I wasn't thinking about that while watching it, but you're absolutely right. Missed opportunity, and I'm glad that we got this.

I actually did not mind the rehash of Episode IV. It was pretty blatant, but it was kind of neat to see the various twists. Han instead of Obi-Wan. Bad-ass girl instead of whiny boy. Adorable droid instead of plucky droid. All rather enjoyable. I did roll my eyes at the chasm, though. Oh well, it's a space opera, and that fit the trope so easily.

I may have to go a second viewing when the crowds die down. There were some pretty amusing lines, and my theatre was small but full of uproarious laughter. I missed some lines. Watching it again will be no heartache for me, I can tell you.
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« Reply #238 on: December 17, 2015, 11:59:25 pm »
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Oh, over the first half hour I just kept telling myself "I'm seeing this again."
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« Reply #239 on: December 18, 2015, 03:37:05 am »
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I actually like that Kylo is blatantly and emotional wreck like Anakin was, and they established how messed up and evil he is with the death of Solo.
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« Reply #240 on: December 18, 2015, 11:57:07 pm »
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I actually like that Kylo is blatantly and emotional wreck like Anakin was, and they established how messed up and evil he is with the death of Solo.

Yeah, it's like they're making up a lot for the unimpressive way they built up Darth Vader. I couldn't help but chuckle a little inwardly at how emo they make him look, but it actually works.
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« Reply #241 on: December 20, 2015, 05:17:24 pm »
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Kid 1 made it through 30 minutes before her complainto about it being too loud meant mom had to remove her from the theater.  Kid 2 lasted 15 minutes longer.  I'm posting here because I don't yet feel like asking for pity on Facebook right now.

The first 45 minutes were great though!
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We can tell you what happened...
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« Reply #243 on: December 20, 2015, 09:41:05 pm »
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I really enjoyed the blatant "we have done this before" war council.

Also, who are rey's parents? As someone who has not read any star wars forums or anything like that, I like the idea she is kylo's twin and Luke wiped people's memories and hid her away to keep her safe. Or something like that. But that is just speculation with my friends (who are also not reading star wars theories and stuff) after we watched the movie
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« Reply #244 on: December 20, 2015, 11:09:57 pm »
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I kind of assumed she was Luke's.

She was, at least, under training as a child.  And being Luke's daughter would explain her strong natural ability
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« Reply #245 on: December 20, 2015, 11:14:32 pm »
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And re: deus ex machina, I'm not so bothered by it since the premise of the universe is The Force.  So, you know, destined encounters.

I'm more bothered by how a small explosion destroys a planet.
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« Reply #246 on: December 20, 2015, 11:15:58 pm »
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I kind of assumed she was Luke's.

She was, at least, under training as a child.  And being Luke's daughter would explain her strong natural ability



That was my interpretation too, but I based it more off the visions she saw when picking up Luke's lightsaber. It's also more likely if the trailer line where Luke talks about the Force wasn't filmed for just the trailer. However, I wouldn't be surprised if she was the daughter of someone else, or if she was naturally gifted in the Force. If they keep doing parallels, her parents will likely be the shocking reveal for VIII.

The ridge thing separating them, I agree, it's the Force. Destiny's real, fate and all that.
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« Reply #247 on: December 21, 2015, 12:15:00 am »
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Though what was kind of confusing about the flashback, is that it seemed as if it was supposed to be Kylo Ren that attacked Luke's school when Rey was just a child.   That had to have been like ~15 years ago.  However, Ren can't be that much older than Rey himself.  I suppose he could have been a late teen/young adult at the time.  Or was it the big bad guy?
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« Reply #248 on: December 21, 2015, 12:17:28 am »
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I loved this movie. Left the theater giddy and can't wait to see it again. Even more hyped to see episode 8.
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« Reply #249 on: December 21, 2015, 12:29:28 am »
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And re: deus ex machina, I'm not so bothered by it since the premise of the universe is The Force.  So, you know, destined encounters.

I'm more bothered by how a small explosion destroys a planet.

It might seem that way, but remember that "weapon" had just charged up, so it is possible that the "small" explosion caused a weakness in the system that contains that energy, allowing that to destroy the planet. That certainly seems more likely than a couple mines taking it out.

I kind of assumed she was Luke's.

She was, at least, under training as a child.  And being Luke's daughter would explain her strong natural ability



That was my interpretation too, but I based it more off the visions she saw when picking up Luke's lightsaber. It's also more likely if the trailer line where Luke talks about the Force wasn't filmed for just the trailer. However, I wouldn't be surprised if she was the daughter of someone else, or if she was naturally gifted in the Force. If they keep doing parallels, her parents will likely be the shocking reveal for VIII.

The ridge thing separating them, I agree, it's the Force. Destiny's real, fate and all that.

Hate to ruin the trailer for you, but Luke's dialogue was entirely from Return of the Jedi.

Luke: You're wrong, Leia. You have that power too. In time you'll learn to use it as I have. The Force runs strong in my family. My father has it. I have it. And... my sister has it. Yes. It's you, Leia.

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« Reply #250 on: December 21, 2015, 01:14:08 am »
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yeah, or discussion about why she isn't Luke's kid basically was along the lines of "that means Luke would have had a 'love-child' with someone" "Disney/star wars is not going to make that how it happened." I mean, forbidden love is a thing (anakin/padme) but a straight up random bastard daughter? Doesn't fit the whole star wars style I think. Plus making it a sister v brother battle makes sense to me as far as plot goes.
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« Reply #251 on: December 21, 2015, 01:52:16 am »
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The "hit here to blow up superweapon" trope didn't really annoy me, it makes ou wonder when the evil engineers will start building their planet-destroying weapons without a glaring weak point in them. At least it got a sort of explaination (the oscillation stabilizer blah blah blah). The chasm isn't even considered abnormal by the characters.
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« Reply #252 on: December 21, 2015, 05:02:46 am »
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Just thinking along those lines, maybe he does suspect, which is why he offered her a job. Abandoning someone causes all sorts of bad emotions, maybe unsure how she would respond and wanted to get to know her more first. I mean, still unconfirmed speculation

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« Reply #253 on: December 21, 2015, 06:25:27 am »
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Also, what is a reasonable wait period before we quit using spoilers?

I think that wait period must be over now. I didn't look at this thread at all between the release and I had seen SW:TFA and I think one can assume that others who care about spoilers do the same.
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« Reply #254 on: December 21, 2015, 07:17:56 am »
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I think we're meant to believe she's Luke's daughter, everything points to that. But she could be Han and Leia's, yeah. She's definitelythe daughter (or granddaughter) of someone we know, certainly.
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« Reply #255 on: December 21, 2015, 08:37:18 am »
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She's the daughter of Jar Jar
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