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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #6150 on: December 22, 2017, 04:04:27 pm »
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #6151 on: December 22, 2017, 07:03:57 pm »
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I just wanna see some timelines burn.
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #6152 on: December 22, 2017, 09:55:06 pm »
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Yeah, I tried to reproduce the Duplicate bug, but I can't figure out what happened.  I swear it happened and I have no idea how or why.
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #6153 on: December 22, 2017, 11:37:43 pm »
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Yeah, I tried to reproduce the Duplicate bug, but I can't figure out what happened.  I swear it happened and I have no idea how or why.

I guess they'll have to mark it as "Cannot Duplicate" in their issue-tracking system.
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #6154 on: December 23, 2017, 03:11:17 am »
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Yeah, I tried to reproduce the Duplicate bug, but I can't figure out what happened.  I swear it happened and I have no idea how or why.

The reason is that it's already been fixed.
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #6155 on: December 23, 2017, 10:16:57 am »
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Yeah, I tried to reproduce the Duplicate bug, but I can't figure out what happened.  I swear it happened and I have no idea how or why.

The reason is that it's already been fixed.

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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #6156 on: February 03, 2018, 08:06:12 pm »
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Unless I missed something, this hasn't been mentioned: this thread now has over 1 million views.
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #6157 on: February 15, 2018, 04:05:21 pm »
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #6158 on: February 15, 2018, 04:47:27 pm »
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #6159 on: February 16, 2018, 02:56:41 am »
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Lord Rattington, in real life:
https://www.reddit.com/r/dominion/comments/7xs92b/did_i_make_the_right_choice/

I've done that before... well not to that degree. But I remember a game when I was winning by a lot (maybe I even already had more than 50% of total points); and I trashed I think 2 Provinces to help myself keep going and end the game. Not saying it was the right move; this way way long ago.

Of course, it would be the right move if, even after trashing the Provience(s), you still have more than 50% of the possible available VP.
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #6160 on: February 16, 2018, 06:56:09 am »
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Of course, it would be the right move if, even after trashing the Provience(s), you still have more than 50% of the possible available VP.

You could say the same thing about gaining the Curse pile...
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #6161 on: February 16, 2018, 10:31:09 am »
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Of course, it would be the right move if, even after trashing the Provience(s), you still have more than 50% of the possible available VP.

At the point where you have already achieved victory, nothing is "wrong" or "right" from a strategic perspective...short of throwing the game.

After the win, the rest is meaningless fluff.

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Did any of you guys watch game four of the man versus computer match of Go between AlphaGo and Lee Sedol?
It was the only game that Lee won.

Lee found a winning line that the computer did not sufficiently explore because the pattern recognition part of the program predicted only 3 of 10,000 pro players would play that move, and it invested it's computational resources on more probable lines.  Lee took a small but unassailable edge in the game.  What did the computer do in response? 

Well, a human would have played the strongest go they knew to try to thin the margin, or they would have resigned.

AlphaGo's prime directive is to WIN.  so it would not passively play to a narrow loss.  So it only played moved that were possible winning, even though the only way for them to be possibly winning was if Lee failed to play the obvious counters to each attack, that even I could have played reflexively without thinking.

AlphaGo flailed around the board until it finally resigned the trash heap mess it had made of the endgame.

Was AlphaGo wrong?  No.  There was no right or wrong.  The game was over.

In all four of the other games, AlphaGo took a lead with strong play.  The endgames looked very funny, because AlphaGo stopped playing the strongest moves, and just played the very first move it found that guaranteed a win.  It played slack and weak moves that were painful to watch.  In game 3, the English language commentator said something like "AlphaGo must think it is winning, because that move makes it's position worse." And it was true; it just defended a thin lead until Lee resigned. 

Was AlphaGo wrong to play such weak moves? No.  There was no right or wrong.  The game was over.
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #6162 on: February 16, 2018, 12:25:06 pm »
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Of course, it would be the right move if, even after trashing the Provience(s), you still have more than 50% of the possible available VP.
At the point where you have already achieved victory, nothing is "wrong" or "right" from a strategic perspective...short of throwing the game.
For a time when it would actually improve your chances of winning, what if your opponent was going for a Copper-gainer+Tower deck, so that he had no chance to compete on Province VP and it was down to a race to see if you could empty the Provinces before he could empty the Coppers and claim the Tower VP (especially if you don't have a strong enough deck to handle greening and there aren't cards to allow a fast three-pile)?

Really, trying to race against any strategy that heavily backloads its VP would probably qualify in at least some circumstances.
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #6163 on: February 16, 2018, 01:04:27 pm »
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For the record, there was a game I played against Elanchana a long time ago in which I was super ahead (IIRC I had a lead of 3 or 4 Provinces), and I decided to trash two Provinces to get a Mercenary attack and a decent turn instead of a completely useless turn. That decision was wrong and I ultimately lost.

So yeah. Don't trash Provinces unless it guarantees the win.
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #6164 on: February 16, 2018, 02:28:08 pm »
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Winning with style > winning

Of course, it would be the right move if, even after trashing the Provience(s), you still have more than 50% of the possible available VP.

At the point where you have already achieved victory, nothing is "wrong" or "right" from a strategic perspective...short of throwing the game.

After the win, the rest is meaningless fluff.

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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #6165 on: February 19, 2018, 03:16:19 am »
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #6166 on: February 19, 2018, 03:54:01 pm »
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What about when you KC it for a Village for your terminal draw?  IS THERE EVEN A WAY TO DEPICT THIS?
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #6167 on: February 27, 2018, 09:40:17 am »
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #6168 on: March 06, 2018, 09:26:17 am »
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #6169 on: March 06, 2018, 11:32:11 am »
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #6170 on: March 06, 2018, 02:24:24 pm »
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #6171 on: March 07, 2018, 05:07:25 pm »
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I don't think he knows about Second Brunch...

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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #6172 on: March 19, 2018, 09:51:56 pm »
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« Reply #6173 on: March 19, 2018, 10:03:33 pm »
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