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[pacovf]

My reading is that he was just very dumb.

In any case, I don't understand the fixation on Columbus. His -personal- influence was extremely small scale.

[GeoLib]

My reading is that he was just very dumb.

In any case, I don't understand the fixation on Columbus. His -personal- influence was extremely small scale.

Well part of it is that in the US we have a federal holiday in his honor, despite the fact that he did horrible things. That's pretty frustrating

[Minotaur]

My reading is that he was just very dumb.

In any case, I don't understand the fixation on Columbus. His -personal- influence was extremely small scale.

The red-blooded American patriots decided to fetishize him as an exemplar of American can-do attitude and whitewash what he actually did.  It's really gross, and quality of life for Joe Native American still isn't up to par 500+ years later.  I don't know if you're American or not, but he was a huge staple of K-6 education when I was growing up, and he might still be for all I know.  And I probably wouldn't know how horrible he was if it weren't for college Columbus Day protests and/or internet essays/cartoons circulating on the internet.

[Minotaur]

History classes for K-6 is 90% nationalist propaganda, and a lot of adults won't ever accept anything different from that, not now or until the day they die.  Columbus is America's origin myth.  He's the "in the beginning" of the America F Yeah Testament of the Bible.  If people didn't make him into that, then he wouldn't be any more than one out of the countless genocidal zealots that stain the pages of history.

[Eran of Arcadia]

 . . . at any rate, while Oracle, Fortune Teller, and Soothsayer are attack cards, they aren't necessarily negative references.

[Seprix]

. . . at any rate, while Oracle, Fortune Teller, and Soothsayer are attack cards, they aren't necessarily negative references.

And even if they were, it doesn't mean women are being objectified as evil. Why ignore Thief and Saboteur? Men are in those images, and they're negative.

[Seprix]

My reading is that he was just very dumb.

In any case, I don't understand the fixation on Columbus. His -personal- influence was extremely small scale.

The red-blooded American patriots decided to fetishize him as an exemplar of American can-do attitude and whitewash what he actually did.  It's really gross, and quality of life for Joe Native American still isn't up to par 500+ years later.  I don't know if you're American or not, but he was a huge staple of K-6 education when I was growing up, and he might still be for all I know.  And I probably wouldn't know how horrible he was if it weren't for college Columbus Day protests and/or internet essays/cartoons circulating on the internet.

I don't think it really matters at any rate whether we celebrate the day now or not. Most people don't know about his evil deeds; people aren't celebrating that, they're simply celebrating America's founding. A bad thing has become a good thing, in a sense. I think evil things done in the past can be remodified in the name of tradition to more positive things. Should we? Depends. Do I like Columbus Day? Not really. But I won't vouch to get rid of it.

[enfynet]

My reading is that he was just very dumb.

In any case, I don't understand the fixation on Columbus. His -personal- influence was extremely small scale.

The red-blooded American patriots decided to fetishize him as an exemplar of American can-do attitude and whitewash what he actually did.  It's really gross, and quality of life for Joe Native American still isn't up to par 500+ years later.  I don't know if you're American or not, but he was a huge staple of K-6 education when I was growing up, and he might still be for all I know.  And I probably wouldn't know how horrible he was if it weren't for college Columbus Day protests and/or internet essays/cartoons circulating on the internet.

I don't think it really matters at any rate whether we celebrate the day now or not. Most people don't know about his evil deeds; people aren't celebrating that, they're simply celebrating America's founding. A bad thing has become a good thing, in a sense. I think evil things done in the past can be remodified in the name of tradition to more positive things. Should we? Depends. Do I like Columbus Day? Not really. But I won't vouch to get rid of it.

We celebrate Columbus' discovery, but not the Vikings. We celebrate the Pilgrims, but not Jamestown.

Also, more and more people are working on Labor Day.

[Seprix]

My reading is that he was just very dumb.

In any case, I don't understand the fixation on Columbus. His -personal- influence was extremely small scale.

The red-blooded American patriots decided to fetishize him as an exemplar of American can-do attitude and whitewash what he actually did.  It's really gross, and quality of life for Joe Native American still isn't up to par 500+ years later.  I don't know if you're American or not, but he was a huge staple of K-6 education when I was growing up, and he might still be for all I know.  And I probably wouldn't know how horrible he was if it weren't for college Columbus Day protests and/or internet essays/cartoons circulating on the internet.

I don't think it really matters at any rate whether we celebrate the day now or not. Most people don't know about his evil deeds; people aren't celebrating that, they're simply celebrating America's founding. A bad thing has become a good thing, in a sense. I think evil things done in the past can be remodified in the name of tradition to more positive things. Should we? Depends. Do I like Columbus Day? Not really. But I won't vouch to get rid of it.

We celebrate Columbus' discovery, but not the Vikings. We celebrate the Pilgrims, but not Jamestown.

Also, more and more people are working on Labor Day.

Winners write the history books.

[Eran of Arcadia]

Sorry, I just . . . it was a bit much.

[eHalcyon]

[pacovf]

That would be Sir Richard Francis Burton, of course.

[jaketheyak]

That would be Sir Richard Francis Burton, of course.

[Kirian]

Say "Map!"

[Minotaur]

Say "Map!"

That backpack is all like, "Hi, I'm Gear!  I like you, Map!"

[GwinnR]

Say "Map!"

Why should I do this? Noone needs just one Map!

[Witherweaver]

She's looking for the other one, obviously.

[Elanchana]

I dare you to edge case this.

[Awaclus]

But revealing the other Trader doesn't do anything. If you just wanted to waste time, you might as well keep revealing that Trader for the first Silver over and over again.

[Elanchana]

But revealing the other Trader doesn't do anything.

[Awaclus]

But revealing the other Trader doesn't do anything.

Then why not reveal it infinitely many times?

[Elanchana]

But revealing the other Trader doesn't do anything.

Then why not reveal it infinitely many times?

...um... because I'm used to Goko? <.< *hides*

[qmech]

But revealing the other Trader doesn't do anything.

Then why not reveal it infinitely many times?

Feature request: ordinal-valued BM.

[jaketheyak]

I dare you to edge case this.

Revealing Trader still does nothing, but you've obviously emptied the Silver pile if you're only gaining six of them.

[Minotaur]