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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #3975 on: November 12, 2014, 07:36:07 pm »
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Is there a specific reason to dislike this Sirloin guy?

Some prefer the rump.



A bit more seriously, his games tend to be derivative, and he is not particularly accomodating in online arguments. Strong opinions arise.
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #3976 on: November 12, 2014, 07:41:48 pm »
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A bit more seriously, his games tend to be derivative [...]

Ah, i think i heard about him, then. Okay, i'm informed now.
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #3977 on: November 12, 2014, 07:47:44 pm »
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But that's actually a good article, no matter how much it was written by Sirlin.

Really? What's good about it?

I actually had to look up whether "that" was an article. Turns out it's a so-called determiner.

In case you're interested in the article, it's here: http://www.sirlin.net/articles/playing-to-win

Okay... So i actually read this and another one of his articles (the one about defensive aspects in Guilty Gear) and found at least the second one helpful... Is there a specific reason to dislike this Sirloin guy? Note i am actually clueless and not trying to imply anything here. Didn't read more of his articles, either.

I think the articles are OK.

I don't like Sirlin though, mainly because his game Puzzle Strike shamelessly ripped off its design from a fan-made chip version of Dominion:

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/image/395648/dominion

While it's possible that Sirlin came up with the chip idea on his own, but the art direction is obviously stolen, and it was done so without permission.  He never even acknowledged the source, let alone apologized for his actions.

He's also a bit of an elitist jerk.  If you want to read a ton of drama, here's an example

There are certainly people that support him, and I wouldn't disparage him just for being "outspoken", but the plagiarism with Puzzle Strike has forever soured me on him and his games.
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #3978 on: November 12, 2014, 11:07:12 pm »
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Reading this is hilarious:

http://www.fantasystrike.com/forums/index.php?threads/puzzle-strike-and-bgg.8586/

Sirlin (and his community) get so defensive about his games.  I could never see any Dominion player get that defensive about Dominion or Donald X because, well, the game speaks for itself.
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #3979 on: November 12, 2014, 11:59:46 pm »
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Reading this is hilarious:

http://www.fantasystrike.com/forums/index.php?threads/puzzle-strike-and-bgg.8586/

Sirlin (and his community) get so defensive about his games.  I could never see any Dominion player get that defensive about Dominion or Donald X because, well, the game speaks for itself.

Well, when you love something, it's tough when other people hate it.  Even if they have good reasons for that, your mind really wants to rationalize it such that you are right and they are wrong.  When people in other forums say that Dominion is just multiplayer solitaire, I get the urge to correct them on the many subtle interactions of the game (not to mention various cards that offer direct interaction).

It's also tough when the thing you love turns out to be not as wonderful as you thought.  So you might attempt to ignore or downplay the problems.  You may be so good at rationalizing that you convince yourself.

In this case, these people love Puzzle Strike (or maybe Sirlin himself).  When it comes out that Puzzle Strike ripped off its graphic design from this fan-made creation with no acknowledgement whatsoever... hey, it's not really plagiarism, if we twist the definition around to fit our purposes!  Even if it is plagiarism, it isn't that big a deal.  It's the gameplay that matters!  And hey, the guy who got ripped off didn't mind!  Let's just ignore that the comment we are talking about is kind of sarcastic, and he has since clarified that, yes, he was not entirely pleased that he received zero acknowledgement.

Anyway, there's no reason to dwell on it.  Some people have made up their mind.  I'll leave them to it.
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #3980 on: November 13, 2014, 04:08:10 am »
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I could never see any Dominion player get that defensive about Dominion or Donald X because, well, the game speaks for itself.

Let's see what happens: "Multiplayer solitaire, neener neener neeener! Grab a stapler, paste the theme, neener neener neeener!"
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #3981 on: November 13, 2014, 04:37:01 am »
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I could never see any Dominion player get that defensive about Dominion or Donald X because, well, the game speaks for itself.

Let's see what happens: "Multiplayer solitaire, neener neener neeener! Grab a stapler, paste the theme, neener neener neeener!"


Would you really defend Dominion on a thematic level ?
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #3982 on: November 13, 2014, 05:38:16 am »
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #3983 on: November 13, 2014, 02:47:14 pm »
+6

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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #3984 on: November 13, 2014, 02:59:47 pm »
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I could never see any Dominion player get that defensive about Dominion or Donald X because, well, the game speaks for itself.

Let's see what happens: "Multiplayer solitaire, neener neener neeener! Grab a stapler, paste the theme, neener neener neeener!"


Would you really defend Dominion on a thematic level ?

I would defend Dominion having a simple theme that doesn't distract from the gameplay
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #3985 on: November 13, 2014, 03:21:40 pm »
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I could never see any Dominion player get that defensive about Dominion or Donald X because, well, the game speaks for itself.

Let's see what happens: "Multiplayer solitaire, neener neener neeener! Grab a stapler, paste the theme, neener neener neeener!"

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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #3986 on: November 14, 2014, 06:08:12 am »
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #3988 on: November 14, 2014, 07:47:36 am »
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Almost happened to me ;)
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #3989 on: November 14, 2014, 08:49:23 am »
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I could never see any Dominion player get that defensive about Dominion or Donald X because, well, the game speaks for itself.

Let's see what happens: "Multiplayer solitaire, neener neener neeener! Grab a stapler, paste the theme, neener neener neeener!"


Would you really defend Dominion on a thematic level ?

I would defend Dominion having a simple theme that doesn't distract from the gameplay

This.  So much this.
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #3990 on: November 14, 2014, 08:49:42 am »
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #3991 on: November 14, 2014, 07:25:51 pm »
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Scavenger as an unemployed Chancellor is hilarious, in that losing his livelihood somehow made him vastly better at his job.
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #3992 on: November 14, 2014, 08:05:07 pm »
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #3993 on: November 14, 2014, 09:01:25 pm »
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Scavenger as an unemployed Chancellor is hilarious, in that losing his livelihood somehow made him vastly better at his job.

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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #3994 on: November 14, 2014, 10:18:39 pm »
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Ok, riffing on this.

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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #3995 on: November 15, 2014, 01:25:10 am »
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #3996 on: November 15, 2014, 01:40:48 am »
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Explorer not only decided to take whatever treasures she could, she even grew herself a beard. Times are very rough.
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #3997 on: November 15, 2014, 09:30:30 am »
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #3998 on: November 15, 2014, 09:39:01 am »
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Explorer not only decided to take whatever treasures she could, she even grew herself a beard. Times are very rough.

Well, she had to do *something* to keep her parents from finding out she's a lesbian.  They are *very* conservative.
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #3999 on: November 15, 2014, 09:47:00 am »
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Well, she had to do *something* to keep her parents from finding out she's a lesbian.  They are *very* conservative.

Growing a beard sounds like a strange way to hide the fact that you are a lesbian.
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