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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #3550 on: June 05, 2014, 10:36:43 am »
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Theoretical question: how much crazier would expand be if the 3 was a 4? Just asking because King's Court effectively does twice what throne room does once, so it wouldn't be completely out of left field to have expand have twice the effect of a remodel.

Extrapolation time!

Double-Smithy; +6 cards, $7.
Double-Sea-Hag; $7; each opponent gets 2 curses.

Bah, that's a low blow. Playing a card has a cost in and of itself (one action and one card, at least). Notice that I say that king's court is twice a throne room, not 150% a throne room.

So double smithy would probably not be +6 cards. More like +5 cards. Which yeah, probably still is too strong, but +cards is the strongest bonus you can add (aside from +action to a terminal card, maybe), so extrapolating smithy is tricky. You can see though that moat costs 2, smithy costs 4, hunting grounds costs 6, if you want to extrapolate that.
Double sea hag for 7 seems alright though. It's not going to be useful for long, and by the time you get it online, the other player would have probably already developed a deck that can deal with the incoming curses.
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #3551 on: June 05, 2014, 10:50:53 am »
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If double Sea Hag topdecks both Curses (discarding top 2 cards first), then it is extremely strong, even for $7. However, with any other Curser on the board, it would be extremely weak, unless you luck into a T3/T4 $7. Is funny how things work out.
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #3552 on: June 05, 2014, 11:14:33 am »
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Hunting Grounds (+4 cards) costs $6 and has a buff. So +5 cards for $7 (possibly with a nerf) would probably be OK.
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #3553 on: June 05, 2014, 12:49:23 pm »
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I was thinking about Expand.  It's sort of like Band of Misfits - the $7 TfB version.  Only it does really lousy versions of a bunch of $5 cards...  And is priced above a Gold.  $7 for a card that can be Mine or Rebuild or Salvager or Trading Post would be a whole other ball game than Expand.
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #3554 on: June 05, 2014, 01:14:19 pm »
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I was thinking about Expand.  It's sort of like Band of Misfits - the $7 TfB version.  Only it does really lousy versions of a bunch of $5 cards...  And is priced above a Gold.  $7 for a card that can be Mine or Rebuild or Salvager or Trading Post would be a whole other ball game than Expand.

I think you are severely underestimating the price of versatility.  Consider Steward, a very strong card at $3, often purchased for $4 in a Silver/Steward opening.  Yet each of its options is worth less than $2, possibly as little as $1.
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #3555 on: June 05, 2014, 03:37:05 pm »
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I was thinking about Expand.  It's sort of like Band of Misfits - the $7 TfB version.  Only it does really lousy versions of a bunch of $5 cards...  And is priced above a Gold.  $7 for a card that can be Mine or Rebuild or Salvager or Trading Post would be a whole other ball game than Expand.

I think you are severely underestimating the price of versatility.  Consider Steward, a very strong card at $3, often purchased for $4 in a Silver/Steward opening.  Yet each of its options is worth less than $2, possibly as little as $1.

In some sense, Steward is a *lot* more versatile than Expand.  In fact, I'd rather draw Steward with two Golds and two Provinces than an Expand precisely because of this...

EDIT:  The Wiki article on Expand isn't all that flattering, either.  I really didn't think this card was highly regarded, overall...  http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/index.php/Expand
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #3556 on: June 05, 2014, 06:32:01 pm »
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The point is that Expand is not that great, but it's not absolutely terrible either.  Sometimes it's actually important.  Sometimes it's important even though there are other TfB on the board.  It's not highly regarded, but it's not completely ignorable either.  I hope those logs I linked are enough proof of that.
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #3557 on: June 08, 2014, 05:30:13 am »
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #3558 on: June 08, 2014, 03:17:20 pm »
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Shouldn't the title of this card be 'Sir Harry'? And then the text would be:

Each other player may announce whether he is 'feeling lucky'. Each player who feels lucky reveals the top four cards of his deck. If any of them are Knights, trash Sir Harry. Otherwise, trash all four cards.
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #3559 on: June 08, 2014, 11:07:32 pm »
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Shouldn't the title of this card be 'Sir Harry'? And then the text would be:

Each other player may announce whether he is 'feeling lucky'. Each player who feels lucky reveals the top four cards of his deck. If any of them are Knights, trash Sir Harry. Otherwise, trash all four cards.
This being on top of the knight pile on a 5/2 opening makes you reconsider going for knights, because it acts like a chapel.
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #3560 on: June 09, 2014, 03:25:37 am »
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #3561 on: June 09, 2014, 03:26:25 am »
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Also because someone else would inevitably do it anyway:

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...spin-offs are still better for all of the previously cited reasons.
But not strictly better, because the spinoff can have a different cost than the expansion.
I hereby declare myself the best dominion player in the world. Obviously.

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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #3562 on: June 09, 2014, 09:26:12 am »
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Also because someone else would inevitably do it anyway:



Why post the same thing again?
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #3563 on: June 09, 2014, 09:36:22 am »
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Aside from the mint/mine joke here; what's the other part of the joke? Why would you trash your wallet upon meeting someone who is mint or mine?
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #3564 on: June 09, 2014, 09:39:48 am »
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Aside from the mint/mine joke here; what's the other part of the joke? Why would you trash your wallet upon meeting someone who is mint or mine?

I'm guessing it's because he "gained" her and his wallet was in play...
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #3565 on: June 09, 2014, 10:10:45 am »
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I'm guessing it's because he "gained" her and his wallet was in play...

Her?
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #3566 on: June 09, 2014, 11:12:36 am »
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Aside from the mint/mine joke here; what's the other part of the joke? Why would you trash your wallet upon meeting someone who is mint or mine?

After making this joke, I looked up exactly how 'mint' is defined in this context, and discovered it's largely a British word, meaning most Americans probably aren't going to get the pun. A shame, I was so looking forward to getting to 2K respect. Er, I mean, amusing my fellow forum users.
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #3567 on: June 09, 2014, 11:18:45 am »
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Aside from the mint/mine joke here; what's the other part of the joke? Why would you trash your wallet upon meeting someone who is mint or mine?

After making this joke, I looked up exactly how 'mint' is defined in this context, and discovered it's largely a British word, meaning most Americans probably aren't going to get the pun. A shame, I was so looking forward to getting to 2K respect. Er, I mean, amusing my fellow forum users.

I'm an American and I'm familiar with "mint" in the sense of a compliment, I guess meaning really great or perfect. I ashamedly missed the whole "mint makes you trash your treasures" part of the joke.
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #3568 on: June 09, 2014, 11:32:02 am »
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Aside from the mint/mine joke here; what's the other part of the joke? Why would you trash your wallet upon meeting someone who is mint or mine?

After making this joke, I looked up exactly how 'mint' is defined in this context, and discovered it's largely a British word, meaning most Americans probably aren't going to get the pun. A shame, I was so looking forward to getting to 2K respect. Er, I mean, amusing my fellow forum users.

yeah, i tell you what, those two posts only netted 6 respect.  Tough crowd.  Here is a consolation +1
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #3569 on: June 09, 2014, 01:16:46 pm »
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #3570 on: June 09, 2014, 02:38:04 pm »
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #3571 on: June 09, 2014, 04:04:44 pm »
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So you bought her?
Probably so he could say, "Now you're mine!"

I actually first delivered this line to a guy - and there was a girl at the table.
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #3572 on: June 12, 2014, 12:14:27 pm »
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #3573 on: June 12, 2014, 03:06:05 pm »
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It's not so bad. At least you gave your opponent a junk card when you gained embassy  ;)
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #3574 on: June 12, 2014, 03:31:11 pm »
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