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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #1900 on: April 23, 2013, 11:18:32 am »
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You can copy Squire.

Why not open Squire/Watchtower for the same effect?  :o
How do you trash the Squire?
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #1901 on: April 23, 2013, 11:19:47 am »
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Well, you could have 3 coppers, squire, WT on t3, chosing +2 buys with squire and buy 2 squires, trashing them with WT.
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #1902 on: April 23, 2013, 11:21:17 am »
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You can copy Squire.

Why not open Squire/Watchtower for the same effect?  :o

Then you need a golden hand of Squire, WT and 3 Copper. With Talisman, you only need to line up 1 extra copper instead of 3.

But I guess success kid doesn't care about the odds. He probably favours the hard way.
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #1903 on: April 23, 2013, 11:22:31 am »
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Because now you're specifying all five cards of your t3 hand. Bad enough that I was counting on drawing both my openers, I only needed a single copper with them.
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #1904 on: April 23, 2013, 11:23:35 am »
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Well, you could have 3 coppers, squire, WT on t3, chosing +2 buys with squire and buy 2 squires, trashing them with WT.

But this version is much much luck based, you need 3 coppers WT Squire, with the talisman-version it is only neeed Copper Talisman WT.
Sure, both opening combos are pretty hypothetical and will fail most of the time, and in such cases Squire-WT is nicer to continue playing
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #1905 on: April 23, 2013, 11:24:51 am »
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Well, you could have 3 coppers, squire, WT on t3, chosing +2 buys with squire and buy 2 squires, trashing them with WT.

But this version is much much luck based, you need 3 coppers WT Squire, with the talisman-version it is only neeed Copper Talisman WT.
Sure, both opening combos are pretty hypothetical and will fail most of the time, and in such cases Squire-WT is nicer to continue playing

Sure, I'm well aware of this, I was just referring to DStu's question.
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #1906 on: April 23, 2013, 11:29:21 am »
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Well, you could have 3 coppers, squire, WT on t3, chosing +2 buys with squire and buy 2 squires, trashing them with WT.

But this version is much much luck based, you need 3 coppers WT Squire, with the talisman-version it is only neeed Copper Talisman WT.
Sure, both opening combos are pretty hypothetical and will fail most of the time, and in such cases Squire-WT is nicer to continue playing

Yeah, the second part was the thing I was referring to, but it's true that it's even more unlikely.

On a similar note:

Opens Remake/Watchtower
[Success kid]
Plays 2 Familiars turn 3

http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=6210.msg165396#msg165396

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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #1907 on: April 23, 2013, 12:12:35 pm »
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You can copy Squire.

Why not open Squire/Watchtower for the same effect?  :o
Because it would have been too obvious:


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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #1908 on: April 23, 2013, 05:45:43 pm »
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You can copy Squire.

Why not open Squire/Watchtower for the same effect?  :o
Because it would have been too obvious:

And more difficult, you need to get Squire, Watchtower and 3 Coppers in hand together to be able to buy and trash two more Squires, while with Talisman, you only need Talisman+Watchtower+1 Copper to pull it off.
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #1909 on: April 24, 2013, 10:41:43 am »
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #1910 on: April 24, 2013, 04:20:26 pm »
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I've never pulled it off, and I have asked beginners if they would mind those cards being in the kingdom...  They always tell that there would be something wrong with it and say no.  I did pull off KC-KC-B-B-B with one once.
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #1911 on: April 24, 2013, 04:42:07 pm »
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I've never pulled it off, and I have asked beginners if they would mind those cards being in the kingdom...  They always tell that there would be something wrong with it and say no.  I did pull off KC-KC-B-B-B with one once.

You know i realized that after i posted those images but i am teaching to beginner who is a great players of other games and he asked me to play full strength against him always. We are something like 15 vs 0 but he is still continue coming again and again and actually progress very quickly by seeing me play.

So i guess for certain beginners the scumbag Steve academy is probably a better dominion school that the GGG University. I suppose in the end it all depends on the board... i mean on the player ^^
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #1912 on: April 24, 2013, 05:04:02 pm »
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Dominating combos do not seem like the best way to understand the game. Most games are not just identifying one combo, but properly combining different pieces. I think trying to build a reasonable engine for several games is best, maybe after identifying exactly how strong a BM+X strategy is to compare.
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #1913 on: April 25, 2013, 01:33:04 am »
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You know i realized that after i posted those images but i am teaching to beginner who is a great players of other games and he asked me to play full strength against him always. We are something like 15 vs 0 but he is still continue coming again and again and actually progress very quickly by seeing me play.

So i guess for certain beginners the scumbag Steve academy is probably a better dominion school that the GGG University. I suppose in the end it all depends on the board... i mean on the player ^^

I prefer to show people how strong combos work so they learn faster. So, rather than hinder my play style, when I see the board, I'll tell everyone exactly how the cards that I plan to use will interact with each other, and why that is a good strategy, then I leave it up to them to mirror me or mess around, or try to counter what I'm doing.
Or, I'll swap a copper or two of theirs for a silver. That seems to work great for most of the people I play with, changes my win rate from most games to slightly more games than other people. The only time that has really backfired on me by totally breaking the game was with a 4/4 start and Treasure Map was on the table, and they connected Treasure Maps on turn 3
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #1914 on: April 25, 2013, 03:05:50 am »
+1

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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #1915 on: April 25, 2013, 01:38:27 pm »
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Celestial Chamelion can explain it.
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #1916 on: April 29, 2013, 04:59:15 am »
+3

(Everybody will hate me after that, but...)




Yeah, I took this image on 9gag because it's the fastest way to find it !
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #1917 on: April 29, 2013, 06:39:42 am »
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http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3u38zp/

I can't explain it in a solitaire game... did you have a little help from your opponent?
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #1918 on: April 29, 2013, 06:47:42 am »
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See serakfalcon's post above mine.
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #1919 on: April 29, 2013, 02:46:50 pm »
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See serakfalcon's post above mine.


Er... right.  And now I've followed up on ftl's CC response too.   :)
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #1920 on: May 02, 2013, 02:18:54 am »
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #1921 on: May 02, 2013, 09:54:01 am »
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #1922 on: May 02, 2013, 04:50:47 pm »
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #1923 on: May 05, 2013, 06:21:46 am »
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Re: Homage to the Best Card
« Reply #1924 on: May 05, 2013, 12:53:33 pm »
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I nearly tried this one in a game :-|

How could I be so stupid? It tends to be always a trap: Treasure Map

Edit: I know, that can work nice, if you got Golem and Treasure Map in hand.
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