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[Minotaur]

KC KC Procession Rats.

or

KC KC Scout Scout Scout

[luser]

Of course a KC-BM, see http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=11248.0

[florrat]

[ChocophileBenj]

May I see TWO logs where the KC + goons (and not militia) + masquerade pin occured ?

Edit : well, KC and goons are in the same expansion, so maybe it's more logical. Okay, so KC + (discard attack) + militia ?
I know it's doable with the good tools, but it's insanely hard, right ?

[theblankman]

May I see TWO logs where the KC + goons (and not militia) + masquerade pin occured ?

Edit : well, KC and goons are in the same expansion, so maybe it's more logical. Okay, so KC + (discard attack) + militia ?
I know it's doable with the good tools, but it's insanely hard, right ?

Search the logs for those three cards in the kingdom and someone finishing with zero points, but I'd be a little surprised if you find it in the wild.  Masq is essential to the pin but also counters it; as you get closer to that magical 4-card deck, it becomes more and more likely that your opponent's masq makes you pass away a necessary piece.  So to actually pull it off, you kind of need an opponent who doesn't see it coming, and doesn't even realize how good masq is.  Before everyone knew about it, I think someone used it to climb the iso leaderboards.  Back then games with player-selected kingdoms counted for iso rankings, and I think this was part of the reason that changed.  So it's happened, but since it become widely known it's also very rare. 

[AdamH]

In my time, I've played about 2000 games of Dominion online, and quite a bit IRL (a wild guess would be 500). I've run across actual pins in three of my games.

One of them was a designed kingdom with the pin in it. It was used in a tournament match and I was playing a bunch of tournament sets IRL. It was the KC+Goons+Masq pin vs. an Ironworks+Gardens rush. I went for the pin, he went for the rush, and I was one turn too slow and he won.

Here's the only online game, where I pull off a Cutpurse pin. Ghost Ship to discard, Masq to pass Coppers, and Cutpurse to decrease hand size. I got him to start a hand with one Copper when he resigned.

The other one was IRL and was once again a Cutpurse pin with masq to enable it, even though I don't even recall a handsize attack on that board.

So in my experience, the KC+Discard+Masquerade pin is less likely to show up, and it makes sense because KC+Masquerade are two specific cards, Cutpurse+Masquerade are two specific cards and I think there are more Villages than discard attacks.

[2.71828.....]

May I see TWO logs where the KC + goons (and not militia) + masquerade pin occured ?

Edit : well, KC and goons are in the same expansion, so maybe it's more logical. Okay, so KC + (discard attack) + militia ?
I know it's doable with the good tools, but it's insanely hard, right ?

Here is a game of KC-KC-Goons-Masq pin.

And then here are two games using the KC-KC-Outpost-Masq pin.

I looked for another KC-KC-Goons-Masq, but couldn't find one.  There were only about 20 games that came up in the log search with those cards, but the combo was not played in any of them.

[Titandrake]

I have seen KC-discard down to 3-Masq in exactly one game.

There were no +Actions. Not even a +1 Action, anywhere.

Masq was also the only +Cards.

[Minotaur]

[Minotaur]

[Axxle]

No you can't!

[Minotaur]

No you can't!

Yes they can.

[Axxle]

No you can't!

Yes they can.

No. You see, you can't upgrade any of the other ones into a province.

[Jimmmmm]

No you can't!

Yes they can.

No. You see, you can't upgrade any of the other ones into a province.

Whoop. Mind the edge cases.

[Kirian]

No you can't!

Yes they can.

No. You see, you can't upgrade any of the other ones into a province.

Whoop. Mind the edge cases.

And now I'm worried about Edge Case Bats.

[Minotaur]

No you can't!

Yes they can.

No. You see, you can't upgrade any of the other ones into a province.

What, your KC KC Highway Highway Bridge engine is acting up again?

[Witherweaver]

No you can't!

Yes they can.

No. You see, you can't upgrade any of the other ones into a province.

What, your KC KC Highway Highway Bridge engine is acting up again?

Yes, because there isn't an Upgrade.

[Minotaur]

No you can't!

Yes they can.

No. You see, you can't upgrade any of the other ones into a province.

What, your KC KC Highway Highway Bridge engine is acting up again?

Yes, because there isn't an Upgrade.

Ok, so it probably should have been Highway, KC-KC-Highway-Bridge-Upgrade.  My bad.

Expand still sucks.

[Witherweaver]

No you can't!

Yes they can.

No. You see, you can't upgrade any of the other ones into a province.

What, your KC KC Highway Highway Bridge engine is acting up again?

Yes, because there isn't an Upgrade.

Ok, so it probably should have been Highway, KC-KC-Highway-Bridge-Upgrade.  My bad.

Expand still sucks.

That doesn't work . Only makes Provinces cost 4

[Witherweaver]

You need exactly 7 reductions, so 2 KCd Bridges + 1 Highway, plus any Upgrade and any junk card with cost < 8.

[Minotaur]

No you can't!

Yes they can.

No. You see, you can't upgrade any of the other ones into a province.

What, your KC KC Highway Highway Bridge engine is acting up again?

Yes, because there isn't an Upgrade.

Ok, so it probably should have been Highway, KC-KC-Highway-Bridge-Upgrade.  My bad.

Expand still sucks.

That doesn't work . Only makes Provinces cost 4

1x Highway, then 3x Highway and 3x Bridge, followed by 3x Upgrade.  Provinces now cost 1, everything else now costs 0.  Unless it's a Colony game, but then you just need your last KC to hit a Bridge or Highway instead.

[Witherweaver]

Oh, I missed the first Highway on the list. My bad.

But KC-Highway only reduces by 1.

[Minotaur]

Oh, I missed the first Highway on the list. My bad.

But KC-Highway only reduces by 1.

Ugh, it's worded like that, isn't it? 

Ok, they are all bridges then.  I just don't like terminals if I don't have to use them. 

Also, Expand sucks.

[Witherweaver]

But you still need more drawing, and an extra Highway or Bridge that isn't KCd, and actions to play Upgrade.

So Expands $7 price point is an advantage here.

[Witherweaver]

So KC KC Bridge Bridge Highway, draw KC Upgrade, KC Upgrade to get three Provinces