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Re: Ranger
« Reply #25 on: November 10, 2014, 08:14:21 pm »
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And Rigger and Contraption
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Re: Ranger
« Reply #26 on: November 11, 2014, 07:37:31 am »
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That could be an interesting idea:

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Troupe
Types: Action
Cost: $3
+1 Card
+1 Action

This card is considered to have all types. You can still play it only as an Action card.

Doesn't do anything by itself, but comboes with a lot of stuff?

I tried to word it in such a way that you could choose which type it has whenever you want, but then either it has no type while it is in the supply (no cute Mine Copper into Troupe trick, etc.), or other players get to choose while they are attacking you.
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Re: Ranger
« Reply #27 on: November 12, 2014, 08:54:58 am »
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I think the last sentence is unnecessary.  The action type is what allows you to play it as an action, and whether playing it as an action is actually simulataneously playing it as a treasure doesn't matter because there's no "whenever you play a treasure" triggers in the game.

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Re: Ranger
« Reply #28 on: November 12, 2014, 11:44:11 am »
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I think the last sentence is unnecessary.  The action type is what allows you to play it as an action, and whether playing it as an action is actually simulataneously playing it as a treasure doesn't matter because there's no "whenever you play a treasure" triggers in the game.

The last sentence is to avoid arguments about whether or not you can play it during the Buy Phase, since it is also a Treasure.
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Re: Ranger
« Reply #29 on: November 12, 2014, 12:11:46 pm »
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Troupe
Types: Action
Cost: $3
+1 Card
+1 Action

This card is considered to have all types. You can still play it only as an Action card.

Rules confusion aside, I think it would be nice if the card did something for you in addition to being a combo with whatever.
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Re: Ranger
« Reply #30 on: November 12, 2014, 12:16:21 pm »
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Troupe
Types: Action
Cost: $3
+1 Card
+1 Action

This card is considered to have all types. You can still play it only as an Action card.

Rules confusion aside, I think it would be nice if the card did something for you in addition to being a combo with whatever.

You mean, like rats? :P

But yeah, the concept can be expanded, of course. I just offered the most pure instantiation of the idea.
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Re: Ranger
« Reply #31 on: November 12, 2014, 12:22:56 pm »
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I think the last sentence is unnecessary.  The action type is what allows you to play it as an action, and whether playing it as an action is actually simulataneously playing it as a treasure doesn't matter because there's no "whenever you play a treasure" triggers in the game.

The last sentence is to avoid arguments about whether or not you can play it during the Buy Phase, since it is also a Treasure.

What happens when Venture hits it?
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Re: Ranger
« Reply #32 on: November 12, 2014, 12:25:28 pm »
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Troupe
Types: Action
Cost: $3
+1 Card
+1 Action

This card is considered to have all types. You can still play it only as an Action card.

Rules confusion aside, I think it would be nice if the card did something for you in addition to being a combo with whatever.

You mean, like rats? :P

But yeah, the concept can be expanded, of course. I just offered the most pure instantiation of the idea.

Hey, Rats does something, even if it's just to fill your deck with Rats!
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Re: Ranger
« Reply #33 on: November 12, 2014, 12:27:15 pm »
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I think the last sentence is unnecessary.  The action type is what allows you to play it as an action, and whether playing it as an action is actually simulataneously playing it as a treasure doesn't matter because there's no "whenever you play a treasure" triggers in the game.

The last sentence is to avoid arguments about whether or not you can play it during the Buy Phase, since it is also a Treasure.

What happens when Venture hits it?

Given the way both cards are worded, Troupe stays on top of your deck. I think.
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Re: Ranger
« Reply #34 on: November 12, 2014, 12:27:43 pm »
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Troupe
Types: Action
Cost: $3
+1 Card
+1 Action

This card is considered to have all types. You can still play it only as an Action card.

Rules confusion aside, I think it would be nice if the card did something for you in addition to being a combo with whatever.

You mean, like rats? :P

But yeah, the concept can be expanded, of course. I just offered the most pure instantiation of the idea.

Hey, Rats does something, even if it's just to fill your deck with Rats!

and as discussed elsewhere, rats can sometimes be useful, even if you never trash them.
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Re: Ranger
« Reply #35 on: November 12, 2014, 02:36:39 pm »
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Why prohibit it from being played as a treasure?  Do you hate fun? It doesn't really break the rules to play a Treasure card during the action phase anymore than it breaks the rules to play an Action card during the buy phase.
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Re: Ranger
« Reply #36 on: November 12, 2014, 02:47:08 pm »
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Why prohibit it from being played as a treasure?  Do you hate fun? It doesn't really break the rules to play a Treasure card during the action phase anymore than it breaks the rules to play an Action card during the buy phase.

Because it would be a real Action-Treasure card, and then



Honestly though, no specific reason, other than I hate fun. It could break stuff, maybe?
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Re: Ranger
« Reply #37 on: November 12, 2014, 03:02:59 pm »
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Why prohibit it from being played as a treasure?  Do you hate fun? It doesn't really break the rules to play a Treasure card during the action phase anymore than it breaks the rules to play an Action card during the buy phase.

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Re: Ranger
« Reply #38 on: November 12, 2014, 03:07:56 pm »
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my advise is, don't do the restriction, it's awful.
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Re: Ranger
« Reply #39 on: November 12, 2014, 03:25:18 pm »
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Dunno, Donald seemed quite opposed to the concept of an action-treasure in the interview thread, I guess there must be a reason?
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Re: Ranger
« Reply #40 on: November 12, 2014, 03:28:53 pm »
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Dunno, Donald seemed quite opposed to the concept of an action-treasure in the interview thread, I guess there must be a reason?

Well, one thing is probably rule clarity.  It's an Action, but I can play it during my Buy phase.  Do I need an Action to be able to play it?  We'd want the answer to be "No", since it is a Treasure and  you're just playing a Treasure, but you'd still have to clarify anything like that in the rule book.

Or as Pops suggested, he just hates fun.
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Re: Ranger
« Reply #41 on: November 12, 2014, 04:59:21 pm »
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Dunno, Donald seemed quite opposed to the concept of an action-treasure in the interview thread, I guess there must be a reason?

I'm pretty sure Donald doesn't mind a card that offers the functionality of both Treasure and Action (you can do that with a reaction without messing up the rules). It's just the types that create a horrible confusion when mixed. So intentionally putting them on one card leaves you with just the mess that Donald obviously wanted to avoid when he made cards like Ghost Ship or Treasury the way they are (in this case: To avoid Attack-Duration and Treasure-Duration).
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Re: Ranger
« Reply #42 on: November 12, 2014, 07:22:44 pm »
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I think it's one of those issues where fan card vs. official card makes a big difference over how appropriate it is.
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