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Re: RMM19: LOST Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #700 on: January 13, 2015, 08:39:02 pm »

I also think BA is definitely town because of this (if he's not, ash is scum) so we'd be losing a quasi-IC.
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Re: RMM19: LOST Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #701 on: January 13, 2015, 08:45:54 pm »

I also think BA is definitely town because of this (if he's not, ash is scum) so we'd be losing a quasi-IC.

How are BA and my alignments linked?

Whether BA is town (sounds likely) or scum (unlikely), it has no bearing on anything I've claimed.  He's basically stopped dead the plan, which is possibly in scum's best interest, but it's something someone of any alignment might want to do for any number of unknown reasons.

Basically I'm failing to see how BA and I have our alignments connected.
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Re: RMM19: LOST Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #702 on: January 13, 2015, 08:52:42 pm »

I don't want to lynch BA today.
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Re: RMM19: LOST Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #703 on: January 13, 2015, 10:05:05 pm »

Look, there's an argument to be made that waiting isn't that bad, and if I'm killed, we lost a high-risk/high-reward power at worst.  The risk is really high.

Like, I don't know if all players will press the button for sure, which would cause bad things to happen.  I don't know if scum will also press the button, too, of if they think it's worth it just to get free reign on all their own powers (like, what if they are strong enough already?).

I mean, I think if scum were to just let us superpower town without upgrading themselves, that would be game over for them.  Which is why it's designed to be so risky, and also designed to be tempered by scum just getting upgraded too.

In the end, I see at worst just more fun if 100% of the players get upgraded, and at best way more fun PLUS crazier powers and hopefully a net gain for town.

What I like about it is that it's all or nothing -- there's disincentive for any faction to only have one player press the button, since it results in negative effects for the entire faction.

This is what links your alignments.
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Re: RMM19: LOST Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #704 on: January 13, 2015, 10:08:55 pm »

I still don't understand.

If you mean that me saying it could be good to wait/not lynch BA could mean that if he's scum, I'm scum protecting him...then I guess.  But you could say that about everyone who doesn't want to lynch him today.
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Re: RMM19: LOST Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #705 on: January 13, 2015, 10:26:03 pm »

vote: xeiron

Scum goes along with lynching town with little risk.

I disagree.  Scum opposes the plan because it looks townie, or waits until it's kosher to go along.  Those sitting back without an opinion are more likely scum.
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Re: RMM19: LOST Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #706 on: January 13, 2015, 11:38:07 pm »

I disagree with lynching BA just because we want to try to get superpowers. I think all in all it would just be a balanced ish game if everyone upgraded except that we decided to lynch a potential townie for it.
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Re: RMM19: LOST Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #707 on: January 13, 2015, 11:39:45 pm »

I disagree with lynching BA just because we want to try to get superpowers. I think all in all it would just be a balanced ish game if everyone upgraded except that we decided to lynch a potential townie for it.

Everyone is a potential townie.
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Re: RMM19: LOST Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #708 on: January 13, 2015, 11:42:46 pm »

Vote: Hydrad
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Re: RMM19: LOST Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #709 on: January 13, 2015, 11:56:13 pm »

I disagree with lynching BA just because we want to try to get superpowers. I think all in all it would just be a balanced ish game if everyone upgraded except that we decided to lynch a potential townie for it.

Everyone is a potential townie.

Ok yes. I guess I see him as a really high potential for being towny.
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Re: RMM19: LOST Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #710 on: January 14, 2015, 03:57:11 am »

I just want everyone to know I go back to work on Wed. so I won't be able to post in as much. I work ten hour shifts and am pretty exhausted by the time I get home. I will be checking in though before leaving for work and when getting back.

I think we need to come up with a consensus on the button soon. Also, we should try doing a little scum hunting.
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Re: RMM19: LOST Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #711 on: January 14, 2015, 04:28:51 am »

I have no opinion about the BA thing. I think we should do a vote or something. Well, that conflicts with me having no opinion about it, doesn't it? I'd guess I'd vote for not doing it if I had to decide.

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Re: RMM19: LOST Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #712 on: January 14, 2015, 04:41:24 am »

I have no opinion about the BA thing. I think we should do a vote or something. Well, that conflicts with me having no opinion about it, doesn't it? I'd guess I'd vote for not doing it if I had to decide.

We are doing a vote.
If you are for executing the plan today, you vote for Beyond Awesome.
If you are against, you vote for someone else.
If you cannot push the button or otherwise will not comply with the plan even if the majority goes for it, you say so.
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Re: RMM19: LOST Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #713 on: January 14, 2015, 05:17:15 am »

Vote: Hydrad

I re-read Hydrad and I have a couple of questions (I don't know anything about the flavor and that's mostly why I'm asking).

1) Can we assume that Hydrad is telling the truth about not knowing the flavor?
2) If yes, is his claim something that would be difficult to fake flavor-wise?

If the answer to at least one of these questions is no, then I like a Hydrad lynch today.
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Re: RMM19: LOST Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #714 on: January 14, 2015, 06:43:45 am »

Vote: Hydrad

I re-read Hydrad and I have a couple of questions (I don't know anything about the flavor and that's mostly why I'm asking).

1) Can we assume that Hydrad is telling the truth about not knowing the flavor?
2) If yes, is his claim something that would be difficult to fake flavor-wise?

If the answer to at least one of these questions is no, then I like a Hydrad lynch today.

1) I believe Hydrad when he says that he does not know the flavor.
2) No idea.

The problem here is that if Hydrad is scum, he does not need to know the flavor himself in order to fakeclaim. He could have been prepped by a scummate who does.

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Re: RMM19: LOST Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #715 on: January 14, 2015, 06:55:27 am »

Some more question to Hydrad

3) Do you have status about the plan to have somebody targeting you at night? Do we need to target you on future nights?
4) Is it so that having everyone pushing the button (and nobody tareting you) would lead to bad stuff (if Jacob is in control of the Island)? 
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Re: RMM19: LOST Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #716 on: January 14, 2015, 08:16:40 am »

If BA is lynched, I'LLC push the button, but I don't think he should be. He might as well use the self-sacrificing thing and not waste our lynch.
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Re: RMM19: LOST Mafia - Night 1
« Reply #717 on: January 14, 2015, 08:24:48 am »

I'm happy with how many roles I see from my Pokemon game in recent setups.

I also want to hear the plan.
Just found this post.

XP, what roles do you see in this game that are similar to roles in your pokemon game?
Reino being Jack of all trades? Your own role?
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Re: RMM19: LOST Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #718 on: January 14, 2015, 08:25:24 am »

The problem here is that if Hydrad is scum, he does not need to know the flavor himself in order to fakeclaim. He could have been prepped by a scummate who does.

That's a good point. Vote: Hydrad
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Re: RMM19: LOST Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #719 on: January 14, 2015, 11:29:02 am »

I want to lynch BA and press the button.

Vote: BA
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Re: RMM19: LOST Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #720 on: January 14, 2015, 11:47:33 am »

If BA is lynched, I'LLC push the button, but I don't think he should be. He might as well use the self-sacrificing thing and not waste our lynch.
I agree with this, we should try to lynch scum today and let BA suicide.
It doesn't really hurt us if we get the powers one day later
+ if we are lucky and lynch a second scum we are in a really good position
+ we get the "decently beneficial" effect of BA's suicide
+ i'm pretty sure scum won't kill ash tonight because i'm almost 100% sure that we have someone with protective powers
+ If BA is actually scum and doesn't use his suicide we can just lynch him tomorrow
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Re: RMM19: LOST Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #721 on: January 14, 2015, 12:29:37 pm »

YOU MAY HAVE ALL JUST RECEIVE A PM. DO NOT READ IT. DO NOT OPEN IT. DELETE IT WITHOUT READING IT, PLEASE.

MESSAGE ME DIRECTLY FOR CLARIFICATION IF NEED BE.
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Re: RMM19: LOST Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #722 on: January 14, 2015, 12:30:02 pm »

And I'm locking this thread temporarily.
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Re: RMM19: LOST Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #723 on: January 14, 2015, 01:49:02 pm »

I have to ask everyone to send me a PM indicating whether or not you read the PM reinoe apparently sent out. It goes without saying that you should answer truthfully... or at least I thought such things go without saying, but I'm not sure anymore.

Thread remains locked!
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Re: RMM19: LOST Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #724 on: January 14, 2015, 02:13:16 pm »

Thank you for your quick answers. I've received enough to realize that this game cannot continue. I apologize to everyone for not having handled the reinoe situation better.
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