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Re: M52: Death Note Mafia
« Reply #250 on: October 15, 2014, 01:44:06 pm »

I think overdefending is a valid scumtell.  I haven't seen e do it too much, I'll have to re-look at things.

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Re: M52: Death Note Mafia
« Reply #251 on: October 15, 2014, 01:59:01 pm »

Defending yourself strongly is scummy when you only have a few votes on you, but once there's a substantial wagon town's going to defend themselves as much as scum.
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Re: M52: Death Note Mafia
« Reply #252 on: October 15, 2014, 02:14:59 pm »

Vote Count 1.5
Eevee (2): XerxesPraelor, 2.71828.....
Witherweaver (1): Teproc
2.71828..... (4): Axxle 2, Hydrad, Witherweaver, Eevee
Axxle2 (2): sudgy, EgorK
Hydrad (1): silverspawn
Not Voting (1): A Drowned Kernel

Day 1 ends at 2pm FT on October 19th.

« Last Edit: October 16, 2014, 11:24:47 am by AndrewisFTTW »
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Re: M52: Death Note Mafia
« Reply #253 on: October 16, 2014, 02:05:38 am »

Though, Hydrad looks scummy in almost every game.

What do you have against me!

You got mislynched twice, it's not a silverspawn thing.

@WW : I disagree with your statement there, I think wagon dynamics are very different because there are so many scum players. I could easily see scum!silver raising the "wow, that wagon was fast !" issue to protect his partner.

I do think he's town though (silver).
In the last game I was mafia, town did this for scum. It's a gut reaction ppl have to the first wagon.
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Re: M52: Death Note Mafia
« Reply #254 on: October 16, 2014, 02:31:35 am »

Sure, but not every player was there. I wasn't. And I'm not ultimately making the decision myself- I'm counting my own vote as equal to anyone else's, but I'm explicitly stating if the majority overrules me, I'll go along, which is certainly not something that every player would do.

I am really not a fan of this.  I think that the notebearer should listen and put a lot of weight into what the town majority thinks, but should make the ultimate decision himself.
If you want to do this, ADK, I'd say at least give yourself doublevoter status or something. You know you're town.
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Re: M52: Death Note Mafia
« Reply #255 on: October 16, 2014, 02:34:05 am »

In DW2, I didn't come out with a real vote until several days into D1.  By then I had a good feel for people and had enough to convince my (mistakenly) that faust was scum. 
Assuming this is true, this plus his point by point rebuttal of my case makes me want to...
Unvote
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Re: M52: Death Note Mafia
« Reply #256 on: October 16, 2014, 02:35:32 am »

e is over-defending himself like crazy! It's interesting he continues to do it even after people specifically voted him for it, but I don't remember him reacting like this as town before so vote: e if I wasn't already.
Mmmm, not really. He's the biggest wagon and now that people have put out cases and now he can respond to them. I mean I guess he could be searching for scum but that's just a bit more antitown than scummy.
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Re: M52: Death Note Mafia
« Reply #257 on: October 16, 2014, 02:38:18 am »

e is over-defending himself like crazy! It's interesting he continues to do it even after people specifically voted him for it, but I don't remember him reacting like this as town before so vote: e if I wasn't already.

Policy vote: Eevee

for making the most annoying argument in the world.

I'm also fine with ww, but isn't often that scum gets run up to L-1 but the hammer is hard to produce?
What do you mean? Overdefending yourself is a valid scumtell.
If he had like one vote for him that's overdefensive. But he's almost lynched.
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Re: M52: Death Note Mafia
« Reply #258 on: October 16, 2014, 02:43:17 am »

Vote Count 1.5
Eevee (2): XerxesPraelor, 2.71828.....
Witherweaver (1): Teproc
2.71828..... (4): Axxle 2, Hydrad, Witherweaver, Eevee
Axxle2 (1): sudgy
Hydrad (1): silverspawn
Not Voting (2): EgorK, A Drowned Kernel

Day 1 ends at 2pm FT on October 19th.


Egor is on me tooooooo

Vote: Hydrad When all else fails... sheep your town reads.
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Re: M52: Death Note Mafia
« Reply #259 on: October 16, 2014, 02:44:03 am »

My vote is based on his initial reaction, though. Of course his situation now warrants the intensity of his reaction.
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Re: M52: Death Note Mafia
« Reply #260 on: October 16, 2014, 06:13:48 am »

In DW2, I didn't come out with a real vote until several days into D1.  By then I had a good feel for people and had enough to convince my (mistakenly) that faust was scum. 
Assuming this is true, this plus his point by point rebuttal of my case makes me want to...
Unvote

I can confirm.

WW doesn't seem to be happening, let's try something else.

vote : Eevee
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Re: M52: Death Note Mafia
« Reply #261 on: October 16, 2014, 07:36:10 am »

WW doesn't seem to be happening, let's try something else.

I feel like someone says this every game.
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Re: M52: Death Note Mafia
« Reply #262 on: October 16, 2014, 07:36:54 am »

Vote: Eevee

When in doubt, sheep the people that want to lynch you.

That's S-1, I think.
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Re: M52: Death Note Mafia
« Reply #263 on: October 16, 2014, 07:37:47 am »

Well I'm probably wrong about one of WW and Eevee.. great.
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Re: M52: Death Note Mafia
« Reply #264 on: October 16, 2014, 08:25:46 am »

Honestly its just a thought and a pretty lame one. But this game has a higher then 50% winrate if town just randomly shoots someone every time.

It might be better to just ignore votes and stuff as mafia can influence it so much.

Unless I forgot how to code actual town chances are about 43% using random votes (and yes, I had accounted for notebearer no shooting himself)
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Re: M52: Death Note Mafia
« Reply #265 on: October 16, 2014, 08:28:22 am »

Go for Axxle. We either eleminate hard to read scum or get good vig
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Re: M52: Death Note Mafia
« Reply #266 on: October 16, 2014, 08:29:10 am »

You guys are putting way too much weight in the 100% vig rate thing...
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Re: M52: Death Note Mafia
« Reply #267 on: October 16, 2014, 10:42:53 am »

I have no defense.

.. because I don't know why you are suspecting me. Can someone help me?
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Re: M52: Death Note Mafia
« Reply #268 on: October 16, 2014, 10:43:28 am »

I have no defense.

.. because I don't know why you are suspecting me. Can someone help me?

You said something scummy that one time. 
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Re: M52: Death Note Mafia
« Reply #269 on: October 16, 2014, 11:26:04 am »

Vote Count 1.6

Eevee (4): XerxesPraelor, 2.71828....., Teproc, Witherweaver
2.71828..... (2): Hydrad, Eevee
Axxle2 (2): sudgy, EgorK
Hydrad (2): silverspawn, Axxle2

Not Voting (1): A Drowned Kernel

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Re: M52: Death Note Mafia
« Reply #270 on: October 16, 2014, 11:26:27 am »

I have no defense.

.. because I don't know why you are suspecting me. Can someone help me?

You said something scummy that one time. 

Why can't we lynch this guy again ?
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Re: M52: Death Note Mafia
« Reply #271 on: October 16, 2014, 11:30:30 am »

I have no defense.

.. because I don't know why you are suspecting me. Can someone help me?

You said something scummy that one time. 

Why can't we lynch this guy again ?

Because there is no lynching in this version.
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Re: M52: Death Note Mafia
« Reply #272 on: October 16, 2014, 11:30:39 am »

Why Eevee is scum

Eevee has been on my case from the very beginning.  In fact, he has posted so little, I can go back to the very beginning and go through all his posts.
  • His first post was about how he didn't like the case against me, but thought my reaction was scummy.  He also casually sets up Axxle2 as scum by making a little joke.
  • His next post was setup related, but immediately after that he again states how he thinks I overreacted to the votes against me.  And again, he casually sets Axxle2 up as scum. 
  • Then he revotes me while I am at L-1 again because he thinks I overreacted to the votes.  This is what really made me think he is scum.  As I said, this vote has to come from either sloppy town or conniving scum.  I mean, I didn't explicitly say "I am at L-1" but 3 posts previous to his revote I stated that I had 5 votes.  The vote itself was enough for me to think he was scum, but now looking back at all his content, I am just confirming it in my mind.  the way he tunnels me has that "certainty" that I lacked in my first post which people find to be very townie (I guess).  But at the same time he is keeping a backdoor open for an Axxle2 lynch.
  • His next post is simply a defense for why he is voting for me, saying that over-defending is scummy.  Then qualifies that by saying it is more overreaction than overdefending.  Then all off a sudden he starts to backtrack.  Saying that I was allowed to defend myself when I got to L-1 or so, but I guess not before that.
Also, eevee just isn't giving off his normal friendly town vibe.  Maybe that is just me because he has been targeting me, but in general town!eevee seems to be somewhat more active (recognizing that he did have some v/la at the start).  But in general, he has had any content added to the game, except to enlighten us on how defending yourself is scummy.
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Re: M52: Death Note Mafia
« Reply #273 on: October 16, 2014, 11:35:48 am »

I mean the Eevee lynch is fine but the deafening silence I've been getting with trying to get a wagon on WW is making me feel really good about lynching him.

Still no one ?
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Re: M52: Death Note Mafia
« Reply #274 on: October 16, 2014, 11:37:55 am »

Eevee : for me it's simple. You're being lazy, going for an easy case and overstating it by saying that overedefending yourself is a scum tell (it's been proven time and time again that it isn't) and you just generally feel off.

You also felt completely off to me when I was spectating James Bond though, so... I don't know, you're not my preferred lynch, but why not.
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