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Re: When luck is not on your side
« Reply #25 on: October 01, 2014, 09:41:45 pm »
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Please don't ban me?

Oh god, you had a terrible experience from that "when to green" thread, didn't you? Bans are extremely rare here. I've only ever seen it happen in cases where someone either swore vociferously at others or tried to use the forum to plan definitely-illegal things. Getting annoyed when people derail the intended purpose of your thread is definitely not on the list.

On the subject of posting bad draws, I think you'll find that people here are unlikely to join in because most of us have realized that usually there's something you could have done better to avoid such a draw or mitigate bad luck that did occur. Not to say that there isn't luck in Dominion (because there certainly is), but as one forumite likes to say "You make your own shuffle luck." If I really can't figure out what went wrong and it looks to me like bad luck, then I'll sometimes post on the forum, but usually under the title of "What did I do wrong?" Very occasionally the top players who look at it will say that it really does look like I got unlucky (it happened once with a rebuild game), but usually they point out dozens of mistakes that I made that lead to my "bad luck."

On the topic of chapel. Just try trashing indiscriminately. Any of the first three shuffles where you draw chapel and any coppers or estates, trash them. It is almost always better to trash and skip your turn. Obviously, things are much more nuanced than this, but new players tend to undertrash rather than overtrash.
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Re: When luck is not on your side
« Reply #26 on: October 01, 2014, 10:45:14 pm »
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Yeah, people don't usually get banned here, and when they do, they definitely have a good reason to get banned. Count Grishnakh had a history of causing shitstorms on the forum, and in the greening thread he was being extremely aggressive and rude towards pretty much everyone without having anything worth saying to say — this is not the case here.

It is common for threads to get derailed here. Usually it's not a problem — people still post in the thread when they have something to say on the original topic, so it serves its purpose, and when people have something to say about something else, the conversation flows naturally without the need to have one conversation in multiple threads. If it becomes a problem (i.e. if an offtopic discussion starts actively hurting the ability to use the thread for its original purpose), theory usually splits the thread so that people can continue the conversation, but the thread can still be used for what it was originally meant for. So you don't have to worry about it.

as one forumite likes to say "You make your own shuffle luck."

More like every forumite at this point.
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Re: When luck is not on your side
« Reply #27 on: October 05, 2014, 07:49:19 pm »
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as one forumite likes to say "You make your own shuffle luck."

More like every forumite at this point.

This makes me so happy.
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Re: When luck is not on your side
« Reply #28 on: October 05, 2014, 11:30:27 pm »
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as one forumite likes to say "You make your own shuffle luck."

More like every forumite at this point.

This makes me so happy.

You make your own happy.
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Re: When luck is not on your side
« Reply #29 on: October 13, 2014, 05:00:52 pm »
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Elanchana Destler: turn 2
(...)
Elanchana Destler   draws Estate, Copper, Estate, Estate, Copper
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supermonkey: turn 2
(...)
supermonkey   draws Copper, Chapel, Copper, Copper, Estate
Contrary to popular belief, you don't always make your own shuffle luck.
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Re: When luck is not on your side
« Reply #30 on: October 13, 2014, 05:05:20 pm »
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Elanchana Destler: turn 2
(...)
Elanchana Destler   draws Estate, Copper, Estate, Estate, Copper
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supermonkey: turn 2
(...)
supermonkey   draws Copper, Chapel, Copper, Copper, Estate
Contrary to popular belief, you don't always make your own shuffle luck.
You bought a noble brigand on turn one with 5 coins? I think you made your own (and his) shuffle luck.
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Re: When luck is not on your side
« Reply #31 on: October 13, 2014, 05:06:56 pm »
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Elanchana Destler: turn 2
(...)
Elanchana Destler   draws Estate, Copper, Estate, Estate, Copper
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supermonkey: turn 2
(...)
supermonkey   draws Copper, Chapel, Copper, Copper, Estate
Contrary to popular belief, you don't always make your own shuffle luck.
You bought a noble brigand on turn one with 5 coins? I think you made your own (and his) shuffle luck.
Uh.......no? We both got 5/2 - I opened Chapel/Market (which is usually a win for me) and he/she opened Chapel/Lab.
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Re: When luck is not on your side
« Reply #32 on: October 13, 2014, 05:07:19 pm »
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Elanchana Destler: turn 2
(...)
Elanchana Destler   draws Estate, Copper, Estate, Estate, Copper
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supermonkey: turn 2
(...)
supermonkey   draws Copper, Chapel, Copper, Copper, Estate
Contrary to popular belief, you don't always make your own shuffle luck.
You bought a noble brigand on turn one with 5 coins? I think you made your own (and his) shuffle luck.

Huh? The cards you draw on turn 2 are the ones you'll be playing on turn 3. This looks like a totally normal draw in a Chapel/X opening, where X is definitely not Noble Brigand.
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Re: When luck is not on your side
« Reply #33 on: October 13, 2014, 05:09:21 pm »
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Elanchana Destler: turn 2
(...)
Elanchana Destler   draws Estate, Copper, Estate, Estate, Copper
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supermonkey: turn 2
(...)
supermonkey   draws Copper, Chapel, Copper, Copper, Estate
Contrary to popular belief, you don't always make your own shuffle luck.
You bought a noble brigand on turn one with 5 coins? I think you made your own (and his) shuffle luck.

Huh? The cards you draw on turn 2 are the ones you'll be playing on turn 3. This looks like a totally normal draw in a Chapel/X opening, where X is definitely not Noble Brigand.
ahh, oops, got confused by the turn 2 heading, didn't realize it was cleanup phase. Sorry.
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Re: When luck is not on your side
« Reply #34 on: October 14, 2014, 04:42:07 pm »
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BeRen: turn 3
BeRen   plays Swindler
ThaddeusB   reveals Copper
ThaddeusB   trashes Copper
ThaddeusB   gains Curse

BeRen: turn 6
BeRen   plays Swindler
ThaddeusB   reveals Copper
ThaddeusB   trashes Copper
ThaddeusB   gains Curse
BeRen   plays Swindler
ThaddeusB   reveals Copper
ThaddeusB   trashes Copper
ThaddeusB   gains Curse

BeRen: turn 7
BeRen   plays Swindler
ThaddeusB   reveals Copper
ThaddeusB   trashes Copper
ThaddeusB   gains Curse

BeRen: turn 8
BeRen   plays Swindler
ThaddeusB   reveals Copper
ThaddeusB   trashes Copper
ThaddeusB   gains Curse

That's his first 5 Swindler plays...  Then later, when I was trying to comeback after trashing the curses one by one with Hermit (the only trasher on the board)

ThaddeusB: turn 15
ThaddeusB   plays Swindler
BeRen   reveals Province
BeRen   trashes Province
BeRen   gains Province

ThaddeusB: turn 21
ThaddeusB   plays Swindler
BeRen   reveals Province
BeRen   trashes Province
BeRen   gains Province
ThaddeusB   plays Swindler
BeRen   reveals Province
BeRen   trashes Province
BeRen   gains Province
(of 3 total Provinces)

ThaddeusB: turn 24
ThaddeusB   plays Swindler
BeRen   reveals Overgrown Estate
BeRen   trashes Overgrown Estate
BeRen   draws Gold
ThaddeusB   plays Swindler
BeRen   reveals Province
BeRen   trashes Province
BeRen   gains Province


I can safely say this is by far the best/worst Swindler luck I've ever seen.


(Edit) Log: http://gokosalvager.com/static/logprettifier.html?20141014/log.53be12a0e4b00ccce8075fbc.1413318661104.txt
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Re: When luck is not on your side
« Reply #35 on: October 14, 2014, 04:52:12 pm »
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Playing multiple Swindlers turns 21 and 24 seems questionable...
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Re: When luck is not on your side
« Reply #36 on: October 14, 2014, 05:03:37 pm »
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Playing multiple Swindlers turns 21 and 24 seems questionable...

Sorry, forgot the log.  It was Processioned both times as I needed the coin and didn't need the card anymore...  I probably played poorly in many spots though; I was pretty much tilted after the 4th straight Copper-Curse Swindle left my deck utterly destroyed.
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Re: When luck is not on your side
« Reply #37 on: October 15, 2014, 03:20:12 am »
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Well, the swindling coppers into curses is actually not that bad. I usually worry about my $5s becoming Duchies or my $4s becoming Scouts. But, swindling all those Provinces is a bit crazy,
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Re: When luck is not on your side
« Reply #38 on: October 15, 2014, 12:44:51 pm »
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(strongly prefer lab/chapel to market/chapel on a 5/2 as it gives better chance of finding the chapel and matching it to desired targets while the difference in economy is modest.  lab in an over-drawn deck isn't the hottest thing, but it helps reliability, which is not to be underrated.)
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