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When luck is not on your side
« on: October 01, 2014, 03:03:04 pm »
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"Okay my engine is almost done, time to..."
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Elanchana Destler   draws Estate, Moneylender, Silver, Throne Room, Estate
"wait goko no"
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Elanchana Destler   draws Estate, Copper, Copper, Copper, Throne Room
"goko what are you"
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Elanchana Destler   draws Copper, Throne Room, Estate, Province, Estate
"GOKO"
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Elanchana Destler   draws Estate, Silver, Moneylender, Province, Estate
"STAHP"

So yeah, post all your terrible draws/shuffle luck here.
« Last Edit: October 01, 2014, 03:04:37 pm by Elanchana »
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Re: When luck is not on your side
« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2014, 03:05:06 pm »
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Ha.  Though, I really have to wonder what your deck composition was at that point...
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Re: When luck is not on your side
« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2014, 03:05:54 pm »
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Plus:

"Goko plz"

I think there is meme potential here somewhere.
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Re: When luck is not on your side
« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2014, 03:08:35 pm »
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Ha.  Though, I really have to wonder what your deck composition was at that point...
I kind of cheated on the first post - those weren't consecutive draws and one of them was from a different game. But they all happened. In decks that were SUPPOSED to be streamlined by that point.
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Re: When luck is not on your side
« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2014, 03:54:41 pm »
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I got a pretty spectacular draw fail just now...

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Elanchana Destler   draws Laboratory, Laboratory, Throne Room, Gold
Elanchana Destler   shuffles deck
Elanchana Destler   draws Gold
Oh good, two labs! This will be a good turn to double province!
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Elanchana Destler   plays Laboratory
Elanchana Destler   draws Moneylender, Estate
Elanchana Destler   plays Throne Room
Elanchana Destler   plays Laboratory
Elanchana Destler   draws Province, Estate
Elanchana Destler   plays Laboratory
Elanchana Destler   draws Duchy, Duchy
...or not.
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Re: When luck is not on your side
« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2014, 04:07:11 pm »
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Hmm, I'm noticing a pattern. Obviously you can't always trash Estates. But generally it should be a priority.
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Re: When luck is not on your side
« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2014, 06:08:56 pm »
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Hmm, I'm noticing a pattern. Obviously you can't always trash Estates. But generally it should be a priority.

It looks like they are playing base-only. There aren't many Estate trashers in base-only.

In any case, it is hard to tell whether something is bad luck or bad planning with just one line of log.
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Re: When luck is not on your side
« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2014, 06:10:29 pm »
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It looks like a bunch of base-only games, and if she has moneylender, there's probably no chapel. I'm willing to bet estate trashing wasn't an option on several of these boards.

If remodel is around, though, take one. It's no chapel, but it can at least pick up a few silvers, and turn moneylender into gold when the coppers are gone. Base is light on trashing, but you still oughta take what you can.

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Re: When luck is not on your side
« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2014, 06:12:49 pm »
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I'm kind of questioning the Throne Rooms.  But hard to judge from just a couple lines.
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Re: When luck is not on your side
« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2014, 06:14:36 pm »
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except chapel was on the board.  Game logs are super easy to find using the Salvager Log Search
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Re: When luck is not on your side
« Reply #10 on: October 01, 2014, 06:17:32 pm »
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If you are building an engine, you should almost always open Chapel.
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Re: When luck is not on your side
« Reply #11 on: October 01, 2014, 06:28:44 pm »
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I got a pretty spectacular draw fail just now...

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Elanchana Destler   draws Laboratory, Laboratory, Throne Room, Gold
Elanchana Destler   shuffles deck
Elanchana Destler   draws Gold
Oh good, two labs! This will be a good turn to double province!
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Elanchana Destler   plays Laboratory
Elanchana Destler   draws Moneylender, Estate
Elanchana Destler   plays Throne Room
Elanchana Destler   plays Laboratory
Elanchana Destler   draws Province, Estate
Elanchana Destler   plays Laboratory
Elanchana Destler   draws Duchy, Duchy
...or not.

As an aside, it is usually better to throne the first Laboratory here, to maximize the number of cards you can draw, and thus your chances of kicking off whatever engine you've got going. The disaster scenario, the way you played it, is that the first Lab draws a Throne Room, and then when you throne the second you don't draw anything useful. If you had throned the first one, you could now throne the second.

If you are starved for +actions instead of +cards, then the way you did it could be better, hoping to Throne-Throne-Lab-Lab, which saves you an action compared to my way. But if you have plenty of actions (as you often will if throned Labs are your backbone), then there's no need to be greedy and hope you can throne a throne: the potential upside is only one extra +action, and the downside is your turn ends way too soon if you draw badly.

Since your deck at that point contained only two terminals in total, you definitely didn't need the actions! Obviously it wouldn't have mattered, since you didn't draw your other Throne Room, but it's best to avoid the possibility of danger when you can.
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Re: When luck is not on your side
« Reply #12 on: October 01, 2014, 07:11:11 pm »
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Chapel strategies never work for me on a 4/3 opening split with that board - they way too often pop up with cards that I don't want to trash, money I need for a buy, or terminals that make them unusable.

Anyway, I created this thread so that other people could post their unlucky draws as well as me.
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Re: When luck is not on your side
« Reply #13 on: October 01, 2014, 07:17:03 pm »
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Chapel strategies never work for me on a 4/3 opening split with that board - they way too often pop up with money I need for a buy
On chapel turns you won't be able to buy anything.
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Re: When luck is not on your side
« Reply #14 on: October 01, 2014, 07:20:56 pm »
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Chapel strategies never work for me on a 4/3 opening split with that board - they way too often pop up with money I need for a buy
On chapel turns you won't be able to buy anything.

It took me a while to learn this. Now I'm usually ok with trashing all 4 copper if I draw them with my chapel. although I usually have a buy a silver with my 3 copper left. I still think its a good idea to do.
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Re: When luck is not on your side
« Reply #15 on: October 01, 2014, 07:28:01 pm »
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Chapel strategies never work for me on a 4/3 opening split with that board - they way too often pop up with money I need for a buy
On chapel turns you won't be able to buy anything.
If I have enough money for an essential card and trashing a copper would prevent me from getting it, I can't exactly trash the copper then, can I?

Someone make this thread about general bad draws and not about me please.
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Re: When luck is not on your side
« Reply #16 on: October 01, 2014, 07:35:12 pm »
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This is Dominion Strategy.  Most posts here are going to involve strategy at some point. 

You can trash the Copper, and in lots of cases you should.  But you know, depends on board, situation, etc.
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Re: When luck is not on your side
« Reply #17 on: October 01, 2014, 07:43:01 pm »
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Someone make this thread about general bad draws and not about me please.

The problem is that anyone who wanted to post about general bad draws already could have, in a new thread: there's nothing "exciting" about a thread you've created that invites bad-beat posts. But the games you posted do have some interesting strategic elements, and as this is a forum about dominion strategy, folks are trying to help you improve your play by talking about the games. If you really want this thread to be "only" about bad draws, it will probably just die out without a single post; I don't see much point in asking for that to be the thread's topic (even though that's what the title said). If, instead, you want to change the subject because you're feeling ganged-up-on by numerous posts that seem to be saying you played badly, that's another matter. If that's the problem, say so, and others will either adjust their tone or stop replying, because they really are just trying to be helpful to you.
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Re: When luck is not on your side
« Reply #18 on: October 01, 2014, 07:44:47 pm »
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Re: When luck is not on your side
« Reply #19 on: October 01, 2014, 07:45:34 pm »
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Also, the sort of implicit idea here is that "bad luck" is a lot more about deck construction than about actual bad luck.  Or: "you make your own shuffle luck". 

So, the posts analyzing deck construction and what led to those draws are actually about "luck" in that sense.
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Re: When luck is not on your side
« Reply #20 on: October 01, 2014, 07:48:44 pm »
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Re: When luck is not on your side
« Reply #21 on: October 01, 2014, 07:50:59 pm »
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Bad luck does exist in Dominion. Trust me, I have had my share of games where my draws sucked and vice versa.

However, there are also times where bad luck could be mitigated. I don't think a thread about bad luck is a bad thing, however, getting advice and feedback can also be helpful if it seems that somewhere the game could have been played differently which could lead to less bad luck.
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Re: When luck is not on your side
« Reply #22 on: October 01, 2014, 07:53:13 pm »
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Someone make this thread about general bad draws and not about me please.

The problem is that anyone who wanted to post about general bad draws already could have, in a new thread: there's nothing "exciting" about a thread you've created that invites bad-beat posts. But the games you posted do have some interesting strategic elements, and as this is a forum about dominion strategy, folks are trying to help you improve your play by talking about the games. If you really want this thread to be "only" about bad draws, it will probably just die out without a single post; I don't see much point in asking for that to be the thread's topic (even though that's what the title said). If, instead, you want to change the subject because you're feeling ganged-up-on by numerous posts that seem to be saying you played badly, that's another matter. If that's the problem, say so, and others will either adjust their tone or stop replying, because they really are just trying to be helpful to you.
Okay, fair enough. The reason why I'm a bit squirrely about the strategy replies is because I already made a thread asking for help about effective chapeling, so I didn't want this to become a duplicate. But anyway, thanks for the help (and not completely destroying my life on the forum). Lock the thread if you want, theory, or if anyone else actually does have some game-changing bad luck hands - you know, like, picking up 4 smithies and one treasure in a vill/smith deck - feel free to post them. Please don't ban me?
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Re: When luck is not on your side
« Reply #23 on: October 01, 2014, 07:58:19 pm »
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This is Dominion Strategy.  Most posts here are going to involve strategy Mafia, Maths or Memes at some point.

FTFY

Okay, fair enough. The reason why I'm a bit squirrely about the strategy replies is because I already made a thread asking for help about effective chapeling, so I didn't want this to become a duplicate. But anyway, thanks for the help (and not completely destroying my life on the forum). Lock the thread if you want, theory, or if anyone else actually does have some game-changing bad luck hands - you know, like, picking up 4 smithies and one treasure in a vill/smith deck - feel free to post them. Please don't ban me?

Don't worry, you're fine. :)
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Re: When luck is not on your side
« Reply #24 on: October 01, 2014, 08:40:57 pm »
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This is Dominion Strategy.  Most posts here are going to involve strategy Mafia, Maths or Memes at some point.

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