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Rubby

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Name the one card that completes this set
« on: September 29, 2014, 07:47:48 pm »
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(This is a pure Dominion puzzle - no outside-world knowledge required - and is not art-related.)

Name the one card that completes this set, and identify the common trait:

[EDIT: For a probably better, though easier, version of this, see the amended list in my 6th post.]

Beggar
Horse Traders
Lighthouse
Moat
Secret Chamber
Squire

Hint: It is NOT Urchin!
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Re: Name the one card that completes this set
« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2014, 08:51:21 pm »
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Scrying Pool. The common trait is that they counter Knights.
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Re: Name the one card that completes this set
« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2014, 08:56:04 pm »
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Scrying Pool. The common trait is that they counter Knights.
squire does not counter knights. How does scrying pool counter knights anyway?
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Re: Name the one card that completes this set
« Reply #3 on: September 29, 2014, 09:11:43 pm »
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Scrying Pool. The common trait is that they counter Knights.
squire does not counter knights. How does scrying pool counter knights anyway?
Squire costs $2 and gains Silvers. It's certainly better at countering Knights than Horse Traders. Scrying Pool costs $2P and usually benefits from having lots of $2 cards in your deck.
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Re: Name the one card that completes this set
« Reply #4 on: September 29, 2014, 09:23:34 pm »
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Surely there must be other cards that counter knights similarly. EDIT: Fortress, rats, cultist, bank, vineyards, feodum
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Re: Name the one card that completes this set
« Reply #5 on: September 29, 2014, 09:41:26 pm »
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And my personal favorite, Platinum
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Re: Name the one card that completes this set
« Reply #6 on: September 29, 2014, 09:46:52 pm »
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And my personal favorite, Platinum

Really? My favorite is Colony.
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Re: Name the one card that completes this set
« Reply #7 on: September 29, 2014, 10:34:13 pm »
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Countering Knights is not the trait. The answer is more straightforwardly factual and not subject to such debate.
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Re: Name the one card that completes this set
« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2014, 12:03:48 am »
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Vague thoughts: Something about the card having a part that only does something if there's another card that you can't guarantee will be in the kingdom/supply? Because all of these cards have a bit that's worthless unless there's an Attack card, whereas Urchin can be its own trigger. However, the only other such trigger I can think of is cards with an on-trash effect that can't trash themselves (or other cards of their kind), but there are more than one of those. Maybe Prince, that presumes the existence of a sub-$4 Action?

EDIT: But then there's also Golem, which presumes the existence of a non-Golem Action card.
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Re: Name the one card that completes this set
« Reply #9 on: September 30, 2014, 12:07:50 am »
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Vague thoughts: Something about the card having a part that only does something if there's another card that you can't guarantee will be in the kingdom/supply? Because all of these cards have a bit that's worthless unless there's an Attack card, whereas Urchin can be its own trigger. However, the only other such trigger I can think of is cards with an on-trash effect that can't trash themselves (or other cards of their kind), but there are more than one of those. Maybe Prince, that presumes the existence of a sub-$4 Action?

EDIT: But then there's also Golem, which presumes the existence of a non-Golem Action card.

Along those lines, tunnel presumes a way to discard other than during the clean-up phase, which isn't guaranteed to be on the board.
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Re: Name the one card that completes this set
« Reply #10 on: September 30, 2014, 01:16:56 am »
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Vague thoughts: Something about the card having a part that only does something if there's another card that you can't guarantee will be in the kingdom/supply? Because all of these cards have a bit that's worthless unless there's an Attack card, whereas Urchin can be its own trigger. However, the only other such trigger I can think of is cards with an on-trash effect that can't trash themselves (or other cards of their kind), but there are more than one of those. Maybe Prince, that presumes the existence of a sub-$4 Action?

EDIT: But then there's also Golem, which presumes the existence of a non-Golem Action card.

Good thoughts, but there would definitely be more than one other card fitting that description.
I'll post another hint soon.
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Re: Name the one card that completes this set
« Reply #11 on: September 30, 2014, 02:00:46 am »
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I found the solution. Don't look at it if you want to figure it out yourself!

They are all either Beggar, Horse Traders, Lighthouse, Moat, Secret Chamber, Squire, or Hermit. The card that completes the list is Hermit.

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Re: Name the one card that completes this set
« Reply #12 on: September 30, 2014, 02:04:43 am »
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Name the one card that completes this set, and identify the common trait:

Beggar
Horse Traders
Lighthouse
Moat
Secret Chamber
Squire

Hint: It is NOT Urchin!

I'm pretty sure you're wrong, it is Urchin.  ;)
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Re: Name the one card that completes this set
« Reply #13 on: September 30, 2014, 02:37:19 am »
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I found the solution. Don't look at it if you want to figure it out yourself!

They are all either Beggar, Horse Traders, Lighthouse, Moat, Secret Chamber, Squire, or Hermit. The card that completes the list is Hermit.

I must admit that this is an irrefutable alternative answer!
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Re: Name the one card that completes this set
« Reply #14 on: September 30, 2014, 06:13:29 am »
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They all have a clause which relies on the presence of attack cards.
Urchin can rely on itself so it doesn't work.

I guess the missing card is (far fetched) Black Market/Knight, since Black Market can put one Knight into the Black Market deck and the "If a Knight is trashed by this, trash this card." will never trigger.
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Re: Name the one card that completes this set
« Reply #15 on: September 30, 2014, 08:12:00 am »
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I think the answer is Tunnel, because all the cards can react to an attack card that the opponent plays or that it is the target of.
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Re: Name the one card that completes this set
« Reply #16 on: September 30, 2014, 08:14:15 am »
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Well, Trader and Watchtower can react to an attack the opponent plays, and they are as specific to the attack as Tunnel is.
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Re: Name the one card that completes this set
« Reply #17 on: September 30, 2014, 09:06:32 am »
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Is it Moat?

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Re: Name the one card that completes this set
« Reply #18 on: September 30, 2014, 09:08:53 am »
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"NOT Urchin".
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Re: Name the one card that completes this set
« Reply #19 on: September 30, 2014, 10:42:55 am »
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I guess the missing card is (far fetched) Black Market/Knight, since Black Market can put one Knight into the Black Market deck and the "If a Knight is trashed by this, trash this card." will never trigger.

But you can say the same thing about Urchin. Cultist too. No, the answer does not involve Black Market.
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Re: Name the one card that completes this set
« Reply #20 on: September 30, 2014, 10:50:28 am »
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Here's another hint. A slightly less restrictive version of the set, which actually might have made for a better puzzle, would also include Quarry and Vineyard.

The amended list -

Beggar
Horse Traders
Lighthouse
Moat
Quarry
Secret Chamber
Squire
Vineyard

is still missing one and only one card.
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Re: Name the one card that completes this set
« Reply #21 on: September 30, 2014, 11:24:35 am »
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Is it Moat?

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Re: Name the one card that completes this set
« Reply #22 on: September 30, 2014, 11:27:48 am »
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Re: Name the one card that completes this set
« Reply #23 on: September 30, 2014, 11:45:10 am »
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Diadem. All of them have non action text that require another action card that is not a copy of itself to work.
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Re: Name the one card that completes this set
« Reply #24 on: September 30, 2014, 11:59:56 am »
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Diadem. All of them have non action text that require another action card that is not a copy of itself to work.

Actually, all Prizes, Urchin, Mercenary, Spoils, and all Ruins require an Action not a copy of themselves to work.
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