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Re: TV shows
« Reply #1175 on: January 29, 2019, 10:15:38 am »
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I just finished Firefly. WHY DID THE EVIL TV EXECUTIVES END IT!?!?
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« Reply #1176 on: January 29, 2019, 10:26:02 am »
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I just finished Firefly. WHY DID THE EVIL TV EXECUTIVES END IT!?!?

So you wanted me to cry today, didnít you

Also avoid the movie at all costs
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« Reply #1177 on: January 29, 2019, 12:56:16 pm »
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I just finished Firefly. WHY DID THE EVIL TV EXECUTIVES END IT!?!?

So you wanted me to cry today, didnít you

Also avoid the movie at all costs

Too late.
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« Reply #1178 on: January 29, 2019, 01:01:10 pm »
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I just finished Firefly. WHY DID THE EVIL TV EXECUTIVES END IT!?!?

So you wanted me to cry today, didnít you

Also avoid the movie at all costs

Too late.

Oh i am sorry...
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« Reply #1179 on: January 29, 2019, 01:30:56 pm »
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What? Serenity was a great movie. Philistines!

Well, I guess it can't be the best movie ever. I rather enjoyed it.

Firefly was indeed a very witty show. Obviously the network didn't think it paid off, which is a shame. It probably wasn't that expensive to film, but it was still fancier than many other shows. Just not enough people watched it while it was on to justify Fox pumping money into it, though I'm sure they're aware of the missed opportunity.

I was one of those that helped Firefly to fail. I never watched it when it was on. I watched the episodes after it was canceled. It just did not interest me enough to give it a view. When I finally did, I had a great appreciation for the writing and borrowed someone's DVDs to watch the rest.
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« Reply #1180 on: January 29, 2019, 07:05:09 pm »
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I found a way to watch Westworld!

The first season had one of the most complex plots I've seen in a show so far. At least three major twists (Bernard being a host, William and the old guy being the same person, Ford wanting to "save" (??) the hosts).

The second one in particular really messed with my emotions as I was watching. There's this character I sympathized with a lot, and this other character I was kind of repulsed by even though it was never clear whether he was a bad guy. And then they're the same. Go figure. The fact that two narrative strands (which are shown side by side) are actually 30 years apart was also completely unexpected. I loved everything about that storyline, everything involving Dolors, up to and including the twist. Her maze of disjoint memories after having gone through so many loops may not be realistic, but it was psychologically fascinating.

I liked the Bernard story-line too. Shame that Elsie died, she was super cool.

Then there's the Maeve storyline, which feels really weak, especially compared to the above. It's very simple, just the most straight-forward rebellion plot, and it feels super contrived. Like, this is the most basic way a host would break out: they'd befriend some fatuous people working there and slowly gain access to new rights and stuff. This is exactly the kind of thing you would figure out how to prevent if you designed this place. But even assuming that the security people are incompetent, there's so much you have to buy into to accept how that story went. There's just no way this would ever work out like that IRL. At parts I didn't even understand why the two guys weren't just wiping her memory, except because the plot didn't plan for it. After finishing season 1, it also feels... unnecessary? Maybe there's more to it, but as of now I still don't understand what the big escape plan is, and I would just be as confused without Maeve as with Maeve. As far as I'm concerned, cutting her out entirely would make season 1 quite a bit better.

I also really hated that they have a setting that can just change her IQ. That was the worldbuilding detail I have the biggest problem with. It doesn't seem to fit with how the rest of the hosts operate, and it also highlights the show's biggest plothole, which is that the entire project isn't something that will ever exist. Instead of building hundreds of human-level IQ robots that will amuse rich people, you could just build a single AI with the goal of acquiring power, which will be infinitely more efficient. It's like there's an arms race and one side is content with building nukes only to use in movies. And that's okay, you can't tell this story without having that plot hole, and that's an acceptable price to pay. But Calling attention to it like that? Before, I was assuming that the hosts are still far away from human level intelligence, and the process Dolores goes through comes from her learning like a human would. The idea that they can just set their IQ to a specific level is really asinine. And totally unnecessary, too. Nothing in the story would break if you took it out.

For a good portion of the time, watching the show was a fairly surreal experience, because the things that actually matter are so different from the things that would ordinarily matter in that kind of setting. Like there's all of this surrounding flavor that's totally irrelevant in the long term, and then a few stands in between that are important. Quite fascinating.


Overall, I consider it one of the best, certainly one of the most interesting shows I've encountered. What does f.ds think about it? I don't remember it ever being discussed here. I've only watched one episode of season 2 thus far.
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Re: TV shows
« Reply #1181 on: January 31, 2019, 04:55:10 pm »
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I just finished Firefly. WHY DID THE EVIL TV EXECUTIVES END IT!?!?

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« Reply #1182 on: February 01, 2019, 09:43:01 am »
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I found a way to watch Westworld!

The first season had one of the most complex plots I've seen in a show so far. At least three major twists (Bernard being a host, William and the old guy being the same person, Ford wanting to "save" (??) the hosts).

The second one in particular really messed with my emotions as I was watching. There's this character I sympathized with a lot, and this other character I was kind of repulsed by even though it was never clear whether he was a bad guy. And then they're the same. Go figure. The fact that two narrative strands (which are shown side by side) are actually 30 years apart was also completely unexpected. I loved everything about that storyline, everything involving Dolors, up to and including the twist. Her maze of disjoint memories after having gone through so many loops may not be realistic, but it was psychologically fascinating.

I liked the Bernard story-line too. Shame that Elsie died, she was super cool.

Then there's the Maeve storyline, which feels really weak, especially compared to the above. It's very simple, just the most straight-forward rebellion plot, and it feels super contrived. Like, this is the most basic way a host would break out: they'd befriend some fatuous people working there and slowly gain access to new rights and stuff. This is exactly the kind of thing you would figure out how to prevent if you designed this place. But even assuming that the security people are incompetent, there's so much you have to buy into to accept how that story went. There's just no way this would ever work out like that IRL. At parts I didn't even understand why the two guys weren't just wiping her memory, except because the plot didn't plan for it. After finishing season 1, it also feels... unnecessary? Maybe there's more to it, but as of now I still don't understand what the big escape plan is, and I would just be as confused without Maeve as with Maeve. As far as I'm concerned, cutting her out entirely would make season 1 quite a bit better.

I also really hated that they have a setting that can just change her IQ. That was the worldbuilding detail I have the biggest problem with. It doesn't seem to fit with how the rest of the hosts operate, and it also highlights the show's biggest plothole, which is that the entire project isn't something that will ever exist. Instead of building hundreds of human-level IQ robots that will amuse rich people, you could just build a single AI with the goal of acquiring power, which will be infinitely more efficient. It's like there's an arms race and one side is content with building nukes only to use in movies. And that's okay, you can't tell this story without having that plot hole, and that's an acceptable price to pay. But Calling attention to it like that? Before, I was assuming that the hosts are still far away from human level intelligence, and the process Dolores goes through comes from her learning like a human would. The idea that they can just set their IQ to a specific level is really asinine. And totally unnecessary, too. Nothing in the story would break if you took it out.

For a good portion of the time, watching the show was a fairly surreal experience, because the things that actually matter are so different from the things that would ordinarily matter in that kind of setting. Like there's all of this surrounding flavor that's totally irrelevant in the long term, and then a few stands in between that are important. Quite fascinating.


Overall, I consider it one of the best, certainly one of the most interesting shows I've encountered. What does f.ds think about it? I don't remember it ever being discussed here. I've only watched one episode of season 2 thus far.

Well, if you've only gotten into S2E1 then you haven't even...
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« Reply #1183 on: February 01, 2019, 12:20:28 pm »
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Is it supposed to get better? Because after all of my complicated thoughts on the first season, the second just seems plain bad to me so far. Somewhere in episode 3 or 4 I decided to drop it.
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« Reply #1184 on: February 05, 2019, 12:02:46 am »
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I watched the first two episodes of Deadly Class. I'm still not entirely certain about the entirely ridiculous premise. It certainly puts forth a lot of style, and that's amusing to a point. It does have Benedict Wong, Henry Rollins, and Brian Posehn, so there is some fame attached to this.

It is chock full of cultural stereotypes and school cliques. To the point where one has to wonder what is a secret school of assassins even doing with a cheerleading squad?

I think I'll keep giving it a shot, if only because really bizarre premises can win me over with their sheer absurdity.
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« Reply #1185 on: February 17, 2019, 11:18:37 pm »
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The Expanse Season 3 is available on Amazon Prime, and it's really excellent. Some changes from the books, but I'm overall very impressed with how it's been adapted. Apparently Amazon has pricked it up for Season 4. I really hope they do the entire series.
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