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« on: September 26, 2014, 11:11:38 am »
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Fall is the time for America to premiere their new shows. I haven't watched Gotham yet, but it's on my list. I'm a little wary about it. The reason that Smallville did so well (at first) was because it was a story of a youth coming to terms with his new powers. Bruce Wayne has no such powers to cope with. I had heard that the show is really focused on Gordon, which may make it more interesting, but I don't know if it'll stand out from other cop shows…unless they take a Dick Tracy bent, which could be kind of awesome.

The shows I did see so far are Forever and Scorpion. Forever just bugged me. The very first scene annoyed me as they clearly were going with a Sherlock vibe with him approaching a random stranger and astounding her with his cold-reading techniques where he reveals parts of her personal life. Naturally, he continues to do this even though it's been overdone already. Furthermore, the show assumes some really dumb police if it's standard procedure to allow the medical examiner to examine the body of the person that he's accused of killing. Sure, Mr. ME, feel free to handle the only evidence we have to suspect you; I'm sure nothing bad can come from this. Granted, that kind of stupidity permeates all manner of crime shows, but then again there's a reason I generally don't watch those crime shows. I have a limited number of times I can suspend disbelief, and I have to reserve those for the shows I do watch, like Agents of SHIELD. I was amused that he figured out what the poison was by injecting himself with it, but he came to the correct conclusion awfully quickly. I'm sure there are plenty of poisons that can kill nearly instantaneously.

Scorpion is a bit more interesting. It falls into the socially-awkward-geek trope, much like Big Bang Theory. In fact, it's about four nerds who team up with a pretty girl who keeps them grounded in reality while not fully understanding any of the genius stuff they do. It's not as egregious as BBT, but naturally they had to make one of the geniuses cripplingly OCD. They also added an adorable child element, but at least it ties into the group fairly well. One interesting thing about the pilot is that it featured nary a single death or gunshot. I'm sure that'll change later on, but it was interesting to see a drama without a bad guy. They also played up the genius trope by having the psychologist figure out where the data center would store the server for a specific client based on a photograph of the manager but then taunt us by him identifying the correct server by reading the label (though he still relied on psychology to get to the right area).

I'll give Scorpion another try. I'm not sure about Forever. The pilot got a little bit more interesting at the end, but I don't know if I can endure another sociopathic genius, despite the Highlander similarities. I'm more lenient about Scorpion since they aren't quite so bad with the annoying genius angle, but that depends on the focus group. I can see the executives in season 2 saying, "You know what audiences love? An annoying genius who repeats a catch phrase!" This show has the potential of being interesting and an even greater potential of being monumentally stupid. I hope it reaches the first potential and not the second.

Nothing else recording right now. I forgot about the new shows until this week, so I already missed some. Not a whole lot sounds that interesting to me except for Gotham. I recorded the other two on a whim. Also, I have Google Fiber and can record a shitload of shows, so why not?
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« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2014, 11:56:46 am »
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I watched the pilot of Gotham. It wasn't the greatest, but I'm hoping it'll get better once they don't have to force all the characters into one short episode. It definitely seems to focus on Gordon, but he was a likable character so that's fine by me.
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« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2014, 03:47:02 pm »
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Yeah, Gotham wasn't great, but pilots are often rough, we'll know what kind of show it is after 3 episodes. I like the look of it a lot though.

I watched the pilot of Black-ish, it's pretty good. The voiceover got a little annoying, ut I hope it'll be less present in subsequent episodes.
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« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2014, 04:01:33 pm »
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I might be a bit biased, but Gotham is horrible.


Constantine had some major flaws but was overall OK, and they are getting rid of the worst part of the pilot (the female support character) so it might get better.
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« Reply #4 on: September 29, 2014, 10:56:42 pm »
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I wish they didn't go for shock value and cliffhangers as much, but the second episode of Gotham was certainly better, I'm starting to like this. Holy hell the actress playing Cat is amazing! Catwoman has been my least favorite character in all the franchises, but I'm absolutely loving her now.
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« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2014, 01:23:09 pm »
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Sorry this isn't adding to the conversation but BBT sucks.
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« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2014, 02:26:23 pm »
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I like some of the season 1 bbt episodes. Recently it's become more pop culture jokes and less "nerd" jokes. The characters are getting annoying.

I am enjoying Parks & Recreation though.
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« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2014, 02:28:03 pm »
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Sorry this isn't adding to the conversation but BBT sucks.

Which is why I was a little leery about Scorpion. Any time a TV show is described as having a team of eccentric geniuses, I cringe a little, because I know that television writers are typically not geniuses. Maybe someone is, and he really loves writing, which would benefit the rest of us, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

There's some show where everything on the board is verified to be correct. I'm not sure if that's BBT or not.
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« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2014, 02:28:56 pm »
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I watched the pilot of Gotham. It wasn't the greatest, but I'm hoping it'll get better once they don't have to force all the characters into one short episode. It definitely seems to focus on Gordon, but he was a likable character so that's fine by me.

Pacing was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too fast.   It should be a slow boil.
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« Reply #9 on: September 30, 2014, 02:32:58 pm »
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Sorry this isn't adding to the conversation but BBT sucks.

Which is why I was a little leery about Scorpion. Any time a TV show is described as having a team of eccentric geniuses, I cringe a little, because I know that television writers are typically not geniuses. Maybe someone is, and he really loves writing, which would benefit the rest of us, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

There's some show where everything on the board is verified to be correct. I'm not sure if that's BBT or not.

I have a physicist friend who pointed out something wrong to me on BBT when they were trying to say something smart. But besides that, it's just not funny.
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« Reply #10 on: September 30, 2014, 02:39:36 pm »
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Most of Big Bang Theory's "sciency" stuff is not quite right, or at least not appropriate to the level of the characters.  (Like, talking about basic high school/freshman Physics stuff as if it's a PhD thing.)  But, that's not really the point of the show.
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« Reply #11 on: September 30, 2014, 02:57:46 pm »
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I'm mostly looking forward to The Flash, and excited for a whole slew of returning series.
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« Reply #12 on: September 30, 2014, 06:43:09 pm »
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Anyone seen stuff about Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt? It's from Tina Fey and some of the other creators of 30 Rock, which is one of my all-time favorite comedies. I also love the lead actress (The Office), though I didn't care so much for other listed actor in Don't Mess With the B*.

Anyway it's not coming until midseason, but I'm pretty pumped.
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« Reply #13 on: October 02, 2014, 05:27:52 pm »
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Has anyone seen Bojack Horseman? I thought it was very very good, Bojack himself and Vincent Adultman being the funniest characters.
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« Reply #14 on: October 02, 2014, 05:42:12 pm »
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Has anyone seen Bojack Horseman? I thought it was very very good, Bojack himself and Vincent Adultman being the funniest characters.

I watched the first two episodes. It did not annoy me. I may watch again.

I worried that it would be gross and/or raunchy for the sake of shocks, but some of those jokes work. But the cotton-candy puking scene really had to be cut down. Seriously guys.
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« Reply #15 on: October 02, 2014, 05:47:41 pm »
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Fall is the time for America to premiere their new shows. I haven't watched Gotham yet, but it's on my list. I'm a little wary about it. The reason that Smallville did so well (at first) was because it was a story of a youth coming to terms with his new powers. Bruce Wayne has no such powers to cope with. I had heard that the show is really focused on Gordon, which may make it more interesting, but I don't know if it'll stand out from other cop shows…unless they take a Dick Tracy bent, which could be kind of awesome.

I'm really hoping it ends up feeling like Gotham Central one of my favourite DC series, about cops who work in Batman's shadow. It always felt really human, and just edged around living in a world where super heroes existed. If Batman doesn't exist yet though, I'm not sure how much they could incorporate from this series though.

Has anyone seen Bojack Horseman? I thought it was very very good, Bojack himself and Vincent Adultman being the funniest characters.

It's great! I love the details in the animation that are separate to the plot. The animators must have had a blast working on this show when they were given so much leeway to include their own visual gags in the show. (My favourite character is Mr. PeanutButter, voiced by the great voice actor Paul F. Tompkins.)

Anyone seen stuff about Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt? It's from Tina Fey and some of the other creators of 30 Rock, which is one of my all-time favorite comedies. I also love the lead actress (The Office), though I didn't care so much for other listed actor in Don't Mess With the B*.

Anyway it's not coming until midseason, but I'm pretty pumped.
I hadn't heard about this, but I'm already excited!
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« Reply #16 on: October 02, 2014, 05:49:07 pm »
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Has anyone seen Bojack Horseman? I thought it was very very good, Bojack himself and Vincent Adultman being the funniest characters.

I watched the first two episodes. It did not annoy me. I may watch again.

I worried that it would be gross and/or raunchy for the sake of shocks, but some of those jokes work. But the cotton-candy puking scene really had to be cut down. Seriously guys.

I tend to agree with this. I think the show took a few too many cues from Family Guy in how to execute it's jokes. It's better in later episodes (I felt anyways).
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« Reply #17 on: October 03, 2014, 02:20:38 am »
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I checked out Gotham.  I'll keep watching, but the guy playing Jim Gordon is too young.  Also, there was once a time when I watched The O.C., which kind of puts his character in an odd light.  Nothing on his acting, he just doesn't look very different from when he played a moody, troubled teenager.

Similarly, that one kid from the most recent episode was recognizable from when he played various goofy characters on Disney Channel shows.  Also a little jarring, though his acting was fine too.

Anybody else ever find it odd to recognize characters playing roles that don't match their past work?
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« Reply #18 on: October 03, 2014, 02:58:53 am »
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Ben McKenzie played one of the leads in Southland, which was really gritty and way more mature than The O.C.
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« Reply #19 on: October 03, 2014, 03:00:36 am »
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Ben McKenzie played one of the leads in Southland, which was really gritty and way more mature than The O.C.

I never watched Southland though.
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« Reply #20 on: October 03, 2014, 10:00:08 am »
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I checked out Gotham.  I'll keep watching, but the guy playing Jim Gordon is too young.  Also, there was once a time when I watched The O.C., which kind of puts his character in an odd light.  Nothing on his acting, he just doesn't look very different from when he played a moody, troubled teenager.

Similarly, that one kid from the most recent episode was recognizable from when he played various goofy characters on Disney Channel shows.  Also a little jarring, though his acting was fine too.

Anybody else ever find it odd to recognize characters playing roles that don't match their past work?

I've never seen anyone on Gotham before except Alfred and Gordon's partner, so it's not really a problem for me.

But generally, I don't have a problem with this.  If the story is told well and the characters are engrossing, I'll get drawn in and ignore other things.
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« Reply #21 on: October 03, 2014, 10:50:33 am »
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The Alfred casting on Gotham is god-awful.
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« Reply #22 on: October 03, 2014, 12:21:18 pm »
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The Alfred casting on Gotham is god-awful.

Agreed.
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« Reply #23 on: October 03, 2014, 12:49:31 pm »
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The Alfred casting on Gotham is god-awful.

Maybe more the writing and direction than the casting. It seemed out of character when he called Bruce a stupid little boy.
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« Reply #24 on: October 03, 2014, 03:24:46 pm »
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So I brought up American Horror Story in another thread and felt that deserves its own mention here. I'm looking forward to the new season.

I had a roller coaster of emotions about AHS between seasons 1 and 2. I watched season 1 up to the end, and I was disappointed. I felt that it was a horrible cliffhanger. Well, little did I know it wasn't a cliffhanger. It was the end of season 1, and season 2 was a brand new story.

I like this formula. Perhaps more shows should have gone with this format. How many shows get beaten into the ground because the writers are trying desperately to explain why the protagonist has this condition that wasn't revealed in the previous five seasons? Or they want to introduce another love interest (there was a Cracked article that points out that George Costanza bedded a significantly higher-than-average number of women despite him being the schlub of the group).

I feel that if Heroes adopted this formula, we might still be having episodes today. Granted, it already feels like the seasons are disjointed, but it'd be cool if they were separate on purpose.

Anyway, Freakshow next week, I do believe. Looking forward to it.
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« Reply #25 on: October 03, 2014, 03:43:58 pm »
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So I brought up American Horror Story in another thread and felt that deserves its own mention here. I'm looking forward to the new season.

I had a roller coaster of emotions about AHS between seasons 1 and 2. I watched season 1 up to the end, and I was disappointed. I felt that it was a horrible cliffhanger. Well, little did I know it wasn't a cliffhanger. It was the end of season 1, and season 2 was a brand new story.

I like this formula. Perhaps more shows should have gone with this format. How many shows get beaten into the ground because the writers are trying desperately to explain why the protagonist has this condition that wasn't revealed in the previous five seasons? Or they want to introduce another love interest (there was a Cracked article that points out that George Costanza bedded a significantly higher-than-average number of women despite him being the schlub of the group).

I feel that if Heroes adopted this formula, we might still be having episodes today. Granted, it already feels like the seasons are disjointed, but it'd be cool if they were separate on purpose.

It certainly is a flaw in many successful shows that they end up wearing out their welcome. I've always thought people should just let shows end on high notes and bow out gracefully, but AHS's format of just rebooting the story every season is another nice way of handling it. (though it only works with certain stories)
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« Reply #26 on: October 03, 2014, 04:07:17 pm »
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I think that the writing could be well done if they know when the story will end. Babylon 5 had always been intended to be a 5-year arc. Unfortunately, that got screwed up when they learned they were going to be canceled after season 4 so they hurried up the plot only to learn there would be a season 5, so they stretched that for what they could (that is to say, awkwardly). I wonder how the show would have turned out if it fleshed out the entire story in 5 seasons as originally intended. The way the story ended in season 4 was still great, even though it was rushed.

I think Breaking Bad also had a 5-year arc planned? It certainly felt like it.

So knowing that you're essentially writing a 10-hour movie split across several episodes has got to be kind of exhilarating for some writers. Not being a writer of TV shows myself, I don't really know.

But admittedly, they can still end up shoving too much into AHS. You ever watch a regular-length movie and think, "That could have been compressed into a 30-minute episode of Twilight Zone"? I could imagine someone thinking that an AHS season could be compressed into a 2-hour movie.
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« Reply #27 on: October 03, 2014, 04:10:30 pm »
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True Detective is also following an anthology framework.  Season 2 is in production now.
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« Reply #28 on: October 03, 2014, 04:31:21 pm »
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I hated the AHS pilot (and thus stopped there), but I like the anthology model. True Detective is one, Fargo is another, they'll be doing a season 2, based on the Sioux Fall case that was mentioned a few times I think.
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« Reply #29 on: October 03, 2014, 05:06:00 pm »
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I hated the AHS pilot (and thus stopped there), but I like the anthology model. True Detective is one, Fargo is another, they'll be doing a season 2, based on the Sioux Fall case that was mentioned a few times I think.

Ooh, I didn't know that about Fargo.. and I still haven't gotten around to watching all of the first season.
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« Reply #30 on: October 03, 2014, 06:58:37 pm »
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I hated the AHS pilot (and thus stopped there), but I like the anthology model. True Detective is one, Fargo is another, they'll be doing a season 2, based on the Sioux Fall case that was mentioned a few times I think.

Ooh, I didn't know that about Fargo.. and I still haven't gotten around to watching all of the first season.
Fargo is elite. I'm probably in the minority with this, but I enjoyed it even more than True Detective.
Really glad both shows are coming back, of course.
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« Reply #31 on: October 04, 2014, 05:08:05 am »
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I hated the AHS pilot (and thus stopped there), but I like the anthology model. True Detective is one, Fargo is another, they'll be doing a season 2, based on the Sioux Fall case that was mentioned a few times I think.

Ooh, I didn't know that about Fargo.. and I still haven't gotten around to watching all of the first season.
Fargo is elite. I'm probably in the minority with this, but I enjoyed it even more than True Detective.
Really glad both shows are coming back, of course.

I can't even fathom how one could enjoy True Detective (a decent but derivative show that was full of its own sense of importance) more than Fargo. I know many people do, but I just don't get it.

I'm being hyperbolic, people can like what they like, but I'm annoyed by people who name TD as one of the greatest shows of all time. It seems that a lot of people who have a certain contempt for TV gathered around True Detective to discover something that's existed ever since The Sopranos premiered.
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« Reply #32 on: October 05, 2014, 06:58:55 pm »
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The Alfred casting on Gotham is god-awful.

Maybe more the writing and direction than the casting. It seemed out of character when he called Bruce a stupid little boy.

Now that I watched both episodes, I feel qualified to comment on this. I didn't think it was that bad. It does seem so out of character for the patient Alfred who assists Batman, but this is an Alfred who has pretty much had fatherhood thrust upon him. Up until now, Alfred has only been a servant. If Bruce is acting up, then he only needs to report the behavior to the parents who then enact some parenting. Now he has no one. So when Bruce acts up now, Alfred has to parent up, and that's difficult for one who's never parented before.

I suspect that they're playing him rough so that he can grow into the patient Alfred we all know. At least I hope so.

What is gripping me is the evolution of the Penguin. I'm really interested in that. He's not a character I really cared about before, so this interest is new to me, especially his doting mother.

One problem with this show is that some characters are pretty much invulnerable. Gordon, Cobblepot, Nygma, Selina, and Alfred all pretty much have to survive. So there's no tension with them. I don't know enough about Batman to assume the same for the other characters. Naturally, there need to be new villains and victims so that they could die off, though it's nice that the Dollmaker's thugs did not get killed.
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« Reply #33 on: October 05, 2014, 07:16:27 pm »
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While I have very little time for series so I am not watching Gotham, I am surprised by the (apparent) omnipresence of known villains in the show. To the best of my knowledge, it is a recurring theme in the Batman universe that it is precisely the rise of Bruce Wayne as the Dark Knight which causes the appearance of the "costumed villains" in the city, with Gotham's crime before that being mainly of the usual mafia variety (cf. the Falcone). By showing all these people around while Bruce is but a kid, they are (or risk) sapping an interesting aspect of the character, IMHO.

Of course, since they are only interested in pre-Batman Gotham, I can understand them not really caring about an arguably minor point that won't ever affect the series, but it does make fitting it into the pre-existing narrative a bit more complicated.
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« Reply #34 on: October 05, 2014, 08:45:57 pm »
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One problem with this show is that some characters are pretty much invulnerable. Gordon, Cobblepot, Nygma, Selina, and Alfred all pretty much have to survive. So there's no tension with them. I don't know enough about Batman to assume the same for the other characters. Naturally, there need to be new villains and victims so that they could die off, though it's nice that the Dollmaker's thugs did not get killed.

I don't think it's completely set in stone that these people can't die.  There's always the chance that there will be identity theft shenanigans.  Somebody dies, someone takes on the name to step in.  They could possibly also twist the mythology behind who becomes who, e.g. the girl who is implied to become Poison Ivy was given a name change from the comic book character (but maybe she won't actually be Poison Ivy).

While I have very little time for series so I am not watching Gotham, I am surprised by the (apparent) omnipresence of known villains in the show. To the best of my knowledge, it is a recurring theme in the Batman universe that it is precisely the rise of Bruce Wayne as the Dark Knight which causes the appearance of the "costumed villains" in the city, with Gotham's crime before that being mainly of the usual mafia variety (cf. the Falcone). By showing all these people around while Bruce is but a kid, they are (or risk) sapping an interesting aspect of the character, IMHO.

Of course, since they are only interested in pre-Batman Gotham, I can understand them not really caring about an arguably minor point that won't ever affect the series, but it does make fitting it into the pre-existing narrative a bit more complicated.

I think the idea is that these villains are not yet villains, or at least not costumed villains.  For example, Nygma (the Riddler) is a forensics guy with the GCPD, and Cobblepot (Penguin) is just a mafia henchman.  So they are exploring these people before Batman.

Granted, they may very well make them too much like their future selves for the sake of fan service.
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« Reply #35 on: October 06, 2014, 10:59:39 pm »
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Such a dissappointing Gotham episode tonight, too many ridiculous things. Jim's partner is overacting like crazy, as is the lady playing Fish. Batista is a goofball, he doesn't fit for a mafia boss, and the relationship drama between Jim's wife and the female cop is just cringeworthy.

Penguin continues to be elite, though. He is carrying the show at this point.
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« Reply #36 on: October 06, 2014, 11:57:05 pm »
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I like the kid playing Bruce.  The line about killing making the guy a criminal was excellent, and he seemed just like a boy should when playing at a swordfight.
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« Reply #37 on: October 07, 2014, 09:58:04 am »
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I think it's okay, not good.  You just have to watch it and not expect greatness.  Kind of like The Strain, though Gotham isn't falling into as many pitfalls as The Strain is.  Either way, worth some entertainment when nothing else is on.  Gotham is a cool idea, and it may get better.

The problem is that the bar for TV shows has been raised very high by shows like Breaking Bad, True Detective, The Walking Dead, Hannibal, The Leftovers, Game of Thrones, Fargo, etc.  There's really nothing (save Hannibal) on regular network TV (like, NBC, ABC, FOX, whatever) that can compete.  The production quality is just not great.. acting is iffy.. I think scripts and stories are written to appeal to a wide audience that doesn't want to invest any time into a television show. 

Watching the pilot episode of Breaking Bad feels like you're really involved in something.  Watching the pilot of Gotham felt like.. "well, I can go cook some dinner while I'm watching this".  Nothing invested... no real risk of missing anything.

I felt similar when I watched the first episode of Gracepoint.  I found myself checking my phone, doing other stuff, not really getting engrossed in the television.  Compare to  The Killing (which has almost an identical premise), where I was immediately interested in what was happening and why, who these people were and what motivated them, etc.  I'm hoping Gracepoint picks up.

Speaking of television shows: It was announced yesterday that Twin Peaks is getting a revival in 2016 on Showtime. It will take place in current time (~25 years after the events of the original series.)  Twin Peaks was, I think, one of the best and most innovative television shows around. 

A link: http://qz.com/277156/how-and-why-showtime-resurrected-twin-peaks/
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« Reply #38 on: October 07, 2014, 10:44:07 am »
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Speaking of television shows: It was announced yesterday that Twin Peaks is getting a revival in 2016 on Showtime. It will take place in current time (~25 years after the events of the original series.)  Twin Peaks was, I think, one of the best and most innovative television shows around. 

A link: http://qz.com/277156/how-and-why-showtime-resurrected-twin-peaks/

I'm not entirely sure how I feel about this. My initial reaction is to say to just let sleeping dogs lie. Sometimes a restart is just not a good idea. There were plenty of shows I enjoyed where a restart would feel awkward. In some instances, they tried it and then failed (see Babylon 5 and Crusade).

That being said, fast forwarding 25 years is the right choice, I think. If any of the actors can come back, then those characters could make reprisals, but I think that a fresh new cast would be in order. I hope they avoid the temptation to throw in too many descendants. "Oh gee, the sheriff's son is now of age, and he's just become a deputy."

Bringing back Agent Cooper could be interesting, though. He was left in conceptual limbo, so this could be a way to explain his 25-year absence. This might not be a bad thing (but it also be a terrible thing).

Watching the series over 20 years after it premiered reminded me of just how overrated Lynch has been as a director. He did great with this series (at first), but watching Fire Walk with Me was a bit of a disappointment.
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« Reply #39 on: October 07, 2014, 10:50:20 am »
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Lynch is, like, my favorite director.  Have you watched his other stuff?

Plus, 25 years is the right choice: http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m74xotr7Wj1rwnwnfo1_1280.jpg
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« Reply #40 on: October 07, 2014, 11:27:11 am »
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Lynch is, like, my favorite director.  Have you watched his other stuff?

Plus, 25 years is the right choice: http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m74xotr7Wj1rwnwnfo1_1280.jpg

I've seen Blue Velvet, Eraserhead, and Mulholland Drive. I actually got bored watching Lost Highway and did not continue it. I saw Elephant Man way back on HBO, but I was really much too young to fully grok what I was watching.

I do enjoy Blue Velvet and Mulholland Drive. I see his vision, and it is pretty cool, but I still say he's overrated. I only recently watched Eraserhead, and I was extremely let down. Part of it may be because it's been elevated to such ridiculously lofty heights that it could not live up to the hype, but I found it pretty boring overall. The embryo scene was creepy; I do not dispute that, but the movie fell flat for me.

So Twin Peaks was a welcome change. It wasn't just Lynch masturbating with wild camera shots and surrealism (except toward the end). He told a story, which is what made Blue Velvet such a good movie, while still maintaining his weirdness (Log Lady, creepy shut-in that had Laura's diary, backwards dwarf).

I won't ever say the man isn't brilliant. He just marches to a very different drum, and that drum doesn't always produce good music.

And that was hard for me to say because I went through college singing his praise after seeing Blue Velvet. I was sold on this grand image of him that I talked up Eraserhead and Wild at Heart, despite not having actually seen them (and still haven't seen Wild at Heart to this day).

But to put that into context, I was a huge Tim Burton fan in college, and I find him to be very overrated nowadays.
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« Reply #41 on: October 07, 2014, 11:45:11 am »
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"Overrated" seems like a weird word to me, though.  Lynch feels pretty underground.  If I ever meet someone and end up talking about some movies, most people haven't heard of him or have heard of what he's done but haven't really seen much, if anything.  I've never witnessed such a grand praise of his work that I could possibly consider him overrated.

I actually haven't seen Eraserhead.  Blue Velvet was great, maybe my favorite by him.  Mulholland Drive was.. well, singular.  Inland Empire was quite good as well. 

I don't know if his drum always produces "good music" or not, but I know it always produces something I want to hear.
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« Reply #42 on: October 07, 2014, 12:25:58 pm »
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Getting away from television (but I'll gladly continue talking about Twin Peaks) and moving it to http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=11628.msg427170#msg427170.
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« Reply #43 on: October 08, 2014, 10:24:09 pm »
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Watching American Horror Story.. all these new shows continue to have background music way way way WAY too loud.. it drowns out and distracts from dialogue.  I don't understand what's going on. 

Is there something wrong with my TV?
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« Reply #44 on: October 09, 2014, 08:36:47 am »
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Watching American Horror Story.. all these new shows continue to have background music way way way WAY too loud.. it drowns out and distracts from dialogue.  I don't understand what's going on. 

Is there something wrong with my TV?

In general, I notice the music is louder than it should be. I find myself playing volume masher during many shows.

The music in AHS is unlike other shows, so in a sense, the music is one of the performers, as it is designed to put you on edge. The loudness did not bother me so much, since it was not your typical score. Still, I played volume masher during AHS too.

Speaking of which, I enjoyed Freakshow. It is has a contender for creepiest clown. The musical number was mesmerizing. Well done.

The thing that bothers me about AHS is that it exemplifies its own message. Who are the actors carrying the show? Not freaks. While there are freaks on the show, they are mostly window dressing with lines being spoken by only a couple of them. The stars are done up to look like freaks. Ironically, the pinhead got more screen time in Asylum than she did in Freakshow (but it's still early).

And it's hard to blame them. After all, acting is a talent, and not everyone has it. And real-life freaks probably did not attend acting workshops. They're accustomed to show business, but it's a different beast. I saw an interview with the guy with the short arms (not sure what that condition is called), and he was a fairly articulate guy who loves acting. Maybe some show/movie will cast him as an actor and not as a freak. I'm reminded of how Peter Dinklage's height was a big deal in Game of Thrones but never mentioned in X-Men: Days of Future Past.
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« Reply #45 on: October 09, 2014, 08:43:21 am »
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Doing a separate Gotham post in case you watch this and not AHS and would have glossed over my AHS post.

I did see Balloonman. It wasn't as bad as I thought it'd be. It wasn't great, but I didn't think it too terrible. Fish is pretty much a caricature at this point, and I don't find that necessarily a bad thing. Gotham is not a show to be confused with all the other cop shows out there. And they're choosing to make themselves stand out by going to its comics roots. Fish is overdramatic and manipulative. The mob bosses are stereotypical mob bosses. The Balloonman's techniques are wildly impractical. The Dollmaker's minions were creepily pleasant. I said earlier that this show could benefit from a splash of Dick Tracy. This isn't close, but it does have a certain style. I'll still give it a shot.

I'm finding the Bruce Wayne plot a bit boring now. It was interesting to see the gears click in his head as he watches the news stories of an anonymous vigilante dispensing justice and to see how his own code against killing forms. But the rest of the story pales in comparison to Penguin's rise to power. Maybe that'll change. It just seems that the more they build up Bruce, the more it restricts his future growth (but then, he's the freakin' Batman, so what growth is needed here?).
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« Reply #46 on: October 09, 2014, 09:25:06 am »
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I really wouldn't mind if Season 1 was all about Penguin's rise to power and Season 2 focused on another villain (Riddler) coming into fruition.  Season 3 or 4 could introduce Joker.
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« Reply #47 on: October 09, 2014, 09:38:20 am »
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Hum, I can understand how Cobblepot's rise to power would be interesting by itself, because he is more of a crime lord than a super villain, so it would be interesting in the same way, say, Scarface is.

However, most other Batman villains would be pretty boring. Because they are not trying to "build" anything, they have no foil, no conflict in their genesis. What would you do, one full season dedicated to Gordon trying to catch the Riddler and failing? That could be interesting, but it would be really hard to do. Not that I would expect them to try something like that in their first season, while they are still trying to find their audience.
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« Reply #48 on: October 09, 2014, 12:36:55 pm »
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They can let Gordon succeed (with great difficult), only to have the system fail immediately after, exemplifying Gotham's need for the Batman.
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« Reply #49 on: October 09, 2014, 12:44:36 pm »
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Or Joker can be locked away at Arkham for a while, escape and be at large away, etc.  They are going to eventually going to have to contend with the fact that none of these villains are ever killed or truly defeated.
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« Reply #50 on: October 09, 2014, 01:40:59 pm »
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Or Joker can be locked away at Arkham for a while, escape and be at large away, etc.  They are going to eventually going to have to contend with the fact that none of these villains are ever killed or truly defeated.

But hey, that's kinda true even with Batman around.
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« Reply #51 on: October 09, 2014, 02:24:14 pm »
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Or Joker can be locked away at Arkham for a while, escape and be at large away, etc.  They are going to eventually going to have to contend with the fact that none of these villains are ever killed or truly defeated.

But hey, that's kinda true even with Batman around.

Right.. and now they have to, in a convincing way, show these villains rise up, be a big problem, have some contention, and still stick around and be relevant for 15 or so years.
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« Reply #52 on: October 09, 2014, 03:18:05 pm »
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Or Joker can be locked away at Arkham for a while, escape and be at large away, etc.  They are going to eventually going to have to contend with the fact that none of these villains are ever killed or truly defeated.

But hey, that's kinda true even with Batman around.

Right.. and now they have to, in a convincing way, show these villains rise up, be a big problem, have some contention, and still stick around and be relevant for 15 or so years.

Yeah, I think Penguin being relevant is enough here. There are plenty of opportunities for new villains to rise up and be beaten down.

My Wiki Fu shows that Dollmaker is a canonical villain, though apparently flexible enough that he could be made into a new villain.

It's probably best that they stay away from the main villains. Having them show up as cameos would be neat. Perhaps Clayface before he became Clayface. You could see how the actor turns to a life of crime, but don't actually make him Clayface. I'm not all that familiar with the other villains (but playing Arkham Asylum/City/Origin helps), but it seems a lot of them had normal identities beforehand, like Nygma. Show them without having them suit up.

But I think inventing villains would be useful here.
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« Reply #53 on: October 09, 2014, 03:37:38 pm »
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Is Gotham supposed to be in the same universe as Arrow and Flash?  They are all DC properties, but Arrow already had the Dollmaker for an episode.
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« Reply #54 on: October 13, 2014, 05:00:42 pm »
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« Reply #55 on: October 14, 2014, 12:57:23 am »
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Gotham talk!

I think the show would work so much better if Bruce was a little older, maybe a teenager. As it is, it's just not at all believable they would include him in such gruesome things to this extent. There is no way any sane adult would treat him the way Jim and Alfred are treating him. At this point I think the show would be better without him in the picture at all. Maybe introduce him in the pilot and forget about him for a couple of seasons, or something. I get that they want to focus on his journey to become Batman, but they aren't doing a very good job of it.

I've really liked all the scenes with Edward Nygma. Just like with Penguin, they've managed to strike a great balance between cartoony and realistic there, which I think is the show's biggest hurdle right now. Jim's partner and especially Fish are just so far in the cartoony end it's really tough to watch. It's literally bad enough it makes me pause the episode to write about it here. I also hate every single scene with Jim's wife, but I guess that's the norm. Batista is still a terrible Maroni, I liked the other mafia characters though and Falconi is great. This new killer was a great actor, but you sort of wonder why a hitman who goes to such lengths to hide his identity would leave a signature on every single victim of his or why he would announce he is going to kill the target even after being caught by the police when they are pointing a freaking gun at him. He was described as very professional and not at all insane, so it's really just an example among many of the writers being either very lazy or not very good. The plot takes shortcuts like that all the time, and overexplains many things, but I'm glad they at least eased up on the cliffhangers  in this episode. I like the setting and the general feel, but man this would have the potential to be so much better. It's still probably my favorite show that's airing until Hannibal returns, but it feels like a guilty pleasure because it's so bad in so many ways. If the two current main characters (Oswald and Jim) weren't doing such a terrific acting job, I might honestly not even watch it. Oswald being behind the robbery was a twist I should have seen coming but didn't, so that was great. Him killing the lackeys with cake went too far for me, but I'll give it to them after they managed to surprise me. Who is the woman Fish hired at the end, is she from the comics?
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« Reply #56 on: October 14, 2014, 01:26:52 am »
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On the flip side, I'm actually liking young Bruce right now.  I don't think he can be a teenager because lots of fans would be angry about the retcon (right?).  I get the sense that Alfred is unhappy that Bruce is looking into these things, but isn't parent enough to deny the kid.  Jim isn't in a parenting role.  Bruce's actions still make sense to me, and I think the actor is doing a good job.

I totally agree that the hitman's actions were inconsistent.  Is he from the comics?  A real pro wouldn't use such a distinctive weapon and surely would have been more discrete if launching an attack at gunpoint.  I just thought of The Last Airbender -- "sneak attacks don't work if you yell it out loud."  Oh, and he probably would have disposed of the body of the man he was impersonating rather than leaving it to rot in an apartment. 

I don't really understand why Jim refuses to explain the situation to Barbara.  Doesn't everybody know that Gotham is totally corrupt?  "Cobblepot is the guy you met earlier.  I was ordered to kill him so I faked it, or else we all would have been in danger.  The idiot came back to Gotham and there's not much we can do about it.  I'm trying to change the GCPD and the city for the better, but it's difficult.  I need your support.  I trust you, and I need you to trust me when I tell you that you need to keep this secret."

I mean, they're engaged.  Confirming that, yes, Gotham is pretty messed up shouldn't be a big deal.  Barbara won't be in any more danger than she already is now, especially if she doesn't spread around the info.  Which, you know, she shouldn't, because it could get Jim killed.  She's an adult that should understand that much.  All the drama feels too artificial.  I don't really like it when people keep secrets for no compelling reason.  So am I missing something there?  This is more a problem with Jim's character than Barbara's, though she had her own secret that wasn't so compelling.

Oswald setting up the robbery was so obvious. C'mon dude, how did you not see that coming? :P

Are you watching the other superhero films on TV?  Arrow and Flash?  Agents of SHIELD?  I'm liking all of these more than Gotham.  They all have a good tone that mixes some fun into the serious stuff.
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« Reply #57 on: October 14, 2014, 02:00:00 am »
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On the flip side, I'm actually liking young Bruce right now.  I don't think he can be a teenager because lots of fans would be angry about the retcon (right?).  I get the sense that Alfred is unhappy that Bruce is looking into these things, but isn't parent enough to deny the kid.  Jim isn't in a parenting role.  Bruce's actions still make sense to me, and I think the actor is doing a good job.
I like the actor too. Parenting role or not, why would Jim discuss gang wars and mob bosses with a 10 year old?

I don't really understand why Jim refuses to explain the situation to Barbara.  Doesn't everybody know that Gotham is totally corrupt?  "Cobblepot is the guy you met earlier.  I was ordered to kill him so I faked it, or else we all would have been in danger.  The idiot came back to Gotham and there's not much we can do about it.  I'm trying to change the GCPD and the city for the better, but it's difficult.  I need your support.  I trust you, and I need you to trust me when I tell you that you need to keep this secret."

I mean, they're engaged.  Confirming that, yes, Gotham is pretty messed up shouldn't be a big deal.  Barbara won't be in any more danger than she already is now, especially if she doesn't spread around the info.  Which, you know, she shouldn't, because it could get Jim killed.  She's an adult that should understand that much.  All the drama feels too artificial.  I don't really like it when people keep secrets for no compelling reason.  So am I missing something there?  This is more a problem with Jim's character than Barbara's, though she had her own secret that wasn't so compelling.
This is something that bothers me often. I don't know why the people making these shows feel compelled to attach romantic subplots to shows and characters when it doesn't help the story. Is there an audience that likes them? Barbara's secret was very stupid too. They are engaged and living together but the fact that she was recently in a committed relationship with a woman never came up? What DO they talk about?

Oswald setting up the robbery was so obvious. C'mon dude, how did you not see that coming? :P

Are you watching the other superhero films on TV?  Arrow and Flash?  Agents of SHIELD?  I'm liking all of these more than Gotham.  They all have a good tone that mixes some fun into the serious stuff.
I know, I felt so stupid!  :-[ Not watching any of those three. I like the mob side of things in Gotham too, so I figured I could give either Sopranos or Ray Donovan a shot.
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On the flip side, I'm actually liking young Bruce right now.  I don't think he can be a teenager because lots of fans would be angry about the retcon (right?).  I get the sense that Alfred is unhappy that Bruce is looking into these things, but isn't parent enough to deny the kid.  Jim isn't in a parenting role.  Bruce's actions still make sense to me, and I think the actor is doing a good job.
I like the actor too. Parenting role or not, why would Jim discuss gang wars and mob bosses with a 10 year old?

My understanding is that Bruce is going to find out about this stuff either way.  It's in the news, it's connected to his parents, and Bruce is curious and intelligent.  Might as well be frank with the kid and maybe learn a bit more about what his parents were doing with Arkham, as well as reassure him that the outcome wasn't all bad even though it wasn't what his parents envisioned.  The kid already knows first hand about violent crime in Gotham.

I don't know, I thought Jim's way of talking about the subject with a child was acceptable.  At the least, it didn't break my suspension of disbelief, whereas the hitman's shenanigans did just a little bit.



Agents of SHIELD is pretty slow to start, but it gets really good towards the end of the first season, when The Winter Soldier was released in theaters.

Arrow strikes a nice balance between gritty realism and campy superhero stuff, I think.  And Flash (after only one episode so far) should be jumping into the deep end as far as having actual super-powered characters, which is nice.
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« Reply #59 on: October 15, 2014, 08:11:55 am »
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I really hope this week's Agents of SHIELD marks the beginning of the end of Fitz's aphasia. The gimmick of him being unable to complete his thoughts articulately may be dramatic (and for all I know, accurate, being that I don't know anyone with aphasia, but I'm sure it's not being that it's television we're talking about), but it halts the momentum of the show.
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« Reply #60 on: October 15, 2014, 09:47:27 am »
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I don't really understand why Jim refuses to explain the situation to Barbara.  Doesn't everybody know that Gotham is totally corrupt?  "Cobblepot is the guy you met earlier.  I was ordered to kill him so I faked it, or else we all would have been in danger.  The idiot came back to Gotham and there's not much we can do about it.  I'm trying to change the GCPD and the city for the better, but it's difficult.  I need your support.  I trust you, and I need you to trust me when I tell you that you need to keep this secret."

I mean, they're engaged.  Confirming that, yes, Gotham is pretty messed up shouldn't be a big deal.  Barbara won't be in any more danger than she already is now, especially if she doesn't spread around the info.  Which, you know, she shouldn't, because it could get Jim killed.  She's an adult that should understand that much.  All the drama feels too artificial.  I don't really like it when people keep secrets for no compelling reason.  So am I missing something there?  This is more a problem with Jim's character than Barbara's, though she had her own secret that wasn't so compelling.
This is something that bothers me often. I don't know why the people making these shows feel compelled to attach romantic subplots to shows and characters when it doesn't help the story. Is there an audience that likes them? Barbara's secret was very stupid too. They are engaged and living together but the fact that she was recently in a committed relationship with a woman never came up? What DO they talk about?


And Barbara's acting is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo bad.  I've been cringing.

Also, the story there is just being told terribly.  The part last episode where she "breaks up" with Gordon by giving him that ultimatum... no effect there, because you've never been invested in that relationship.  There was nothing to like there.. all you saw was her saying terrible cringy lines for four episodes, then she's like "stop hiding things from me or I leave".  There really wasn't an appropriate buildup to that moment.  I mean, they tried to make the buildup by introducing that police chick to tell her about Gordon's "evil deeds", but it all fell very flat.
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« Reply #61 on: October 15, 2014, 09:48:11 am »
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Oh yeah, and the lady that plays Fish sucks.
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« Reply #62 on: October 15, 2014, 11:17:41 am »
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Article about Gotham:

http://badassdigest.com/2014/10/07/gotham-is-the-worst-thing-to-happen-to-batman-since-joel-schumacher/?utm_source=zergnet.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=zergnet_287348

I don't think it's as bad as this guy makes it out to be, but some of the points are valid.

I think the big thing is, what's with the "villain-of-the-week" episode style?  Each episode so far, Gordan and grumps chase down and kill (or arrest) some bad guy.  How much can you get invested in a drama if it's all nicely wrapped up in 40sih minutes broken up by a bunch of car commercials?  Conflicts shouldn't get resolved every week.  The pacing of this show just feels so rushed.

There are the longer character archs---penguin, gangsters, Bruce---but it just feels so hacked together.
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« Reply #63 on: October 15, 2014, 11:20:18 am »
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I think the big thing is, what's with the "villain-of-the-week" episode style?

Welcome to network television ?
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« Reply #64 on: October 15, 2014, 11:24:31 am »
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I think the big thing is, what's with the "villain-of-the-week" episode style?

Welcome to network television ?

Does "network" mean ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX?
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« Reply #65 on: October 15, 2014, 12:13:35 pm »
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I really hope this week's Agents of SHIELD marks the beginning of the end of Fitz's aphasia. The gimmick of him being unable to complete his thoughts articulately may be dramatic (and for all I know, accurate, being that I don't know anyone with aphasia, but I'm sure it's not being that it's television we're talking about), but it halts the momentum of the show.

I'm looking forward to catching up, I've only seen the first two episodes and I've been wondering how they'll continue to handle 2nd season Fitz.
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« Reply #66 on: October 15, 2014, 12:32:12 pm »
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I think the big thing is, what's with the "villain-of-the-week" episode style?

Welcome to network television ?

Does "network" mean ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX?

Technically I think the CW is also a network, but yes.
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« Reply #67 on: October 15, 2014, 01:16:19 pm »
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I kind of thought all channels were networks.  What are all the other ones?

Though, Hannibal is on NBC, and Hannibal is fantastic. 
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« Reply #68 on: October 15, 2014, 01:46:05 pm »
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I kind of thought all channels were networks.  What are all the other ones?

Though, Hannibal is on NBC, and Hannibal is fantastic.
Even Hannibal suffered from the serial villain syndrome in the beginning, though.
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« Reply #69 on: October 15, 2014, 01:49:40 pm »
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I kind of thought all channels were networks.  What are all the other ones?

Though, Hannibal is on NBC, and Hannibal is fantastic.
Even Hannibal suffered from the serial villain syndrome in the beginning, though.

Yeah, but the serial villains were cool.  And some spanned multiple episodes (Eddie Izzard).  Though I actually missed some episodes of Season 1, so I don't have as great of a feel for how it felt week-by-week.
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I seem to be the only watching Hell on Wheels and Justified. Also, House of Cards should be coming back around sometime not to long off.

Walking Dead s05e01 did not disappoint. AHS:Freakshow seems like it will be worth watching, none of the runs has particularly grabbed me.

Finally, Grimm is set to start later this month coming off a pretty big cliffhanger from last season.
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Walking Dead season 5 premiere goes down as one of my favorite season premieres ever.  I'm not even sure why.. I was super hyped for it, and after watching it there wasn't even a hint of disappointment or being let down.  Usually when you're looking forward to something so much, it's hard not to build it up beyond the point where it can deliver.  But it was just so satisfying and I can't wait to watch more.

There were some lines I really liked.  "They don't get to live." being my favorite, I think.  And "We don't have to double back." cracked me up.
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« Reply #72 on: October 15, 2014, 02:16:56 pm »
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The very beginning of s01 had one episode villains that weren't very interesting (to me anyways). I did like all of the ones that spanned over multiple episodes.
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« Reply #73 on: October 15, 2014, 03:16:48 pm »
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From the last episode of Hell on Wheels:

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Cullen Bohannon!
Cullen Bohannon!
Cullen Bohannon!
Get your blue coat killin'
ass out here, now!

I'm right here, Sid!

You best come and talk to me 'fore I shoot the piss out of this pig shit town!

All right. Let's talk.

Well, look at you.
You're jealous of my badge. You had to go out and get one for yourself.

You should have kept ridin'.

Yeah, I thought so too. You know, I was half way to Denver after I set that cute Lil' yankee twist's church on fire.
You know what it was made me come back?
It was you, Bohannon. You and me got unfinished business.

Suppose that's right.

What do you say we settle things right now?

I'm all done with killin'.

Well, maybe you gonna get killed.

I'm gonna arrest you.

Well, why don't you come on over here and try.

Drop that gun.

Yeah, come on and take it.

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Ahh!

[Gunshot]

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The church lady?

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« Reply #74 on: October 15, 2014, 05:46:29 pm »
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I kind of thought all channels were networks.  What are all the other ones?

Though, Hannibal is on NBC, and Hannibal is fantastic. 

Yep, and it has horrible ratings. The only reason it hasn't been canceled yet is that it's an international production and it costs nothing for NBC.

Other channels include HBO, Showtime, AMC, TNT, USA, TBS, Sundance, Starz... I don't know I'm just naming those who make scripted content (of varying quality) but the main difference is that networks have to appeal to a mass audience, and that means serialization is bad because people need to be able to drop in.

Now this is not universally true : Lost is an example of a network TV show that eventually cared little about people being able to drop in. And guess what, the less it cared about that, the less popular it was in terms of ratings. So this episodic "villain of the week" or "case of the week" structure is to be expected on network TV. It can be well done : I enjoy watching an episode of NCIS when I'm at my uncle's house (he's a big fan of that show) but it's a very limited format.
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« Reply #75 on: October 15, 2014, 05:48:21 pm »
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I find it hilarious that I know more about american TV than WW :P.

This is not a slam by the way, I get obsessive about stuff and American TV happens to be one of those things. But I thought "network TV" was a concept everybody would be familiar with in the US : if it's not then all this talk about it being dead really is true !
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« Reply #76 on: October 15, 2014, 05:50:13 pm »
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I never watch "network" shows besides Hannibal. And now I've been watching Gotham.

Well, and those that are reaired on other stations.  Like, I watch reruns of Big Bang Theory, Family Guy, American Dad, whatever on TBS and/or Adult Swim. 
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« Reply #77 on: October 15, 2014, 06:10:02 pm »
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Speaking of which, how unbelievably bad is TBBT these days? I can't believe I'm still watching it. Parsons still delivers a couple of great one liners an episode, but all in all it's so so bad.
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« Reply #78 on: October 15, 2014, 06:12:21 pm »
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Speaking of which, how unbelievably bad is TBBT these days? I can't believe I'm still watching it. Parsons still delivers a couple of great one liners an episode, but all in all it's so so bad.

I know the feeling. I gave up on it in season 5 I think ? But I stuck with stuff like Dexter or HIMYM till the end just because of inertia.
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« Reply #79 on: October 15, 2014, 07:14:40 pm »
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Anyone on The Blacklist?

Our normal rotation is Modern Family, Blacklist, Brooklyn 99, Pawn Stars, Wonderland (Australian evening soap).

I need to get SHIELD going again, I watched all of S1.  I want to watch Madam Secretary, but have only seen the pilot.
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« Reply #80 on: October 16, 2014, 09:02:21 am »
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Anyone watching Masters of Sex? I think I watch it for the historical context while my wife watches it for the smut.
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« Reply #81 on: October 16, 2014, 09:18:37 am »
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Anyone watching Masters of Sex? I think I watch it for the historical context while my wife watches it for the smut.

I am, kinda. I actually haven't finished the first season yet. It's very good but it makes Mad Men look eventful and exciting.
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« Reply #82 on: October 21, 2014, 01:16:15 am »
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Fish just might be the worst acted character of all time? It's really getting unbearable.

Liked the episode other than that, though.
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« Reply #83 on: October 21, 2014, 09:38:37 am »
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Fish just might be the worst acted character of all time? It's really getting unbearable.

Liked the episode other than that, though.

Haha, yeah.  The kid playing Bruce is maybe a little weak.  But, I like that he's becoming a detective.  I mean, Batman is supposed to be a detective, but we don't really ever see a whole lot of that.  (Maybe a bit in the movies, but it's more him beating people up.)
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« Reply #84 on: October 25, 2014, 01:24:54 am »
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I'm watching Grimm.

I think the trope I hate the most in TV and film is visible passwords.  Man, no security system is going to leave the password completely readable for anybody who happens to be looking at the screen.  If you must do that for the plot, at least make it something plausible.  Have the password be written down on a sticky note or in a notebook or something, because there are actually people who do that.
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« Reply #85 on: October 27, 2014, 04:45:04 pm »
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Walking Dead, great as usual. 
Gracepoint... eh, getting somewhat more interesting.  Still seems to fall short of engaging its audience, though.  Dude that plays the father is TERRIBLE.  He delivers his lines as if he's struggling to remember them. 
American Horror Story... we get it, the Carnival is out in the fields.  There are crickets, and you'll always hear crickets in the background.  But they're not in the background.  They're in the foreground.  Dialogue is in the background.  What's the purpose of this?
Gotham... I hope it gets better.

That's all I'm really watching at the moment~.  Walking Dead is what I look forward too.  Can't wait for HBO shows to come back en force (True Detective, Game of Thrones, Silicon Valley, Leftovers).  Hopefully Hannibal will start up in the winter.  I'm hoping The Strain gets a lot stronger in season 2.  Season 1 was watchable, but should have been much better.

The Knick looked really interesting, but I only get Cinemax at random times (not sure if it's a mistake or a promotion thing).  I saw some of some episodes. 
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As I'm about to catch up watching all of Archer, I'm ready for 6th season. While the earlier season were probably more funny, I just love the character too much to not keep watching. So many quotable lines from the show. Anyone else watch Archer/are eager for the next season?
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« Reply #87 on: October 28, 2014, 05:31:46 am »
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I liked the new Gotham episode. Of course they'd enter the killers lair without backup despite what happened 10 years ago, but other than that, it was pretty good. No Fish scenes a good Gotham episode make.
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« Reply #88 on: October 28, 2014, 09:50:31 am »
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I liked the new Gotham episode. Of course they'd enter the killers lair without backup despite what happened 10 years ago, but other than that, it was pretty good. No Fish scenes a good Gotham episode make.

Gordon's wife, that cop chick. CRINGE.  Worst.  Actors.  Ever.

Also, why would the arrest Gordon without a body?  The first thing they should be doing is searching the river for a body.  Which they should have done way back in the beginning.  No way they'll make a murder case with only some random homeless guy's testimony.  I don't usually mind these sort of things in shows, but the actual arrest of Gordon was just silly.

Other than that, though, I agree it's getting better.
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« Reply #89 on: October 28, 2014, 11:53:54 am »
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As I'm about to catch up watching all of Archer, I'm ready for 6th season. While the earlier season were probably more funny, I just love the character too much to not keep watching. So many quotable lines from the show. Anyone else watch Archer/are eager for the next season?

Netflix-only fan of the show here. One of these days they'll put Season 5 up.
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As I'm about to catch up watching all of Archer, I'm ready for 6th season. While the earlier season were probably more funny, I just love the character too much to not keep watching. So many quotable lines from the show. Anyone else watch Archer/are eager for the next season?

Netflix-only fan of the show here. One of these days they'll put Season 5 up.

My netflix has season 5 I think? Canadian netflix though so it may be different.
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« Reply #91 on: October 28, 2014, 10:24:49 pm »
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« Reply #92 on: October 29, 2014, 10:28:57 am »
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Oh by the way, you guys watch Rick and Morty?  Best.  Show.  Ever.

I love this show!
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« Reply #93 on: November 02, 2014, 11:59:42 am »
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So apparently they're making a TV show of 12 Monkeys: IMDB Link.  Seems odd to me, but maybe it'll be cool.

Also, I liked this weeks American Horror Story much better.

Oh by the way, you guys watch Rick and Morty?  Best.  Show.  Ever.

I love this show!

Yes. Hands-down the funniest show.  I hope new episodes start soon. 
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Also, I liked this weeks American Horror Story much better.

Yeah, I liked American Horror Story this week. Very sad.

And an interesting take in the passing of the crown. The way they played up Twisty the Clown, it seemed like he'd be an ongoing villain for the entire season. His exit was surprising, which made the story interesting.
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« Reply #95 on: November 03, 2014, 10:55:50 am »
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Also, I liked this weeks American Horror Story much better.

Yeah, I liked American Horror Story this week. Very sad.

And an interesting take in the passing of the crown. The way they played up Twisty the Clown, it seemed like he'd be an ongoing villain for the entire season. His exit was surprising, which made the story interesting.

But if you follow the ongoing interviews out there then you know that we have not seen the last of Twisty at all.
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« Reply #96 on: November 03, 2014, 12:13:41 pm »
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Also, I liked this weeks American Horror Story much better.

Yeah, I liked American Horror Story this week. Very sad.

And an interesting take in the passing of the crown. The way they played up Twisty the Clown, it seemed like he'd be an ongoing villain for the entire season. His exit was surprising, which made the story interesting.

But if you follow the ongoing interviews out there then you know that we have not seen the last of Twisty at all.

I have not, but I also know that people don't necessary stay gone in AHS.

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« Reply #97 on: November 03, 2014, 08:56:37 pm »
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« Reply #99 on: November 04, 2014, 11:00:02 am »
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And once again, Penguin completely redeems the episode.
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I'm higher on this show than I've ever been. Yes, the gunfight sucked and Barbara is one of the most annoying characters in any show ever, but Penguin is just so good. I love his chemistry with Falcone, very excited to see what's next!
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« Reply #100 on: November 07, 2014, 08:42:23 am »
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I managed to watch this week's American Horror Story.

How much confidence do you lack when your fantasies aren't even perfect. The guy fantasized about obtaining the Illustrated Seal but can't even muster up the illusion of being lauded for it. Then he can't even properly dream about killing two people at once. It has to be this long drawn-out farce that ends up with him returning a less-than-perfect specimen. I'm not sure if the writers are intentionally setting him up to be this pathetic or if they're trying to make the fantasies seem more real by introducing flaws.
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« Reply #101 on: November 07, 2014, 10:04:06 am »
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I managed to watch this week's American Horror Story.

How much confidence do you lack when your fantasies aren't even perfect. The guy fantasized about obtaining the Illustrated Seal but can't even muster up the illusion of being lauded for it. Then he can't even properly dream about killing two people at once. It has to be this long drawn-out farce that ends up with him returning a less-than-perfect specimen. I'm not sure if the writers are intentionally setting him up to be this pathetic or if they're trying to make the fantasies seem more real by introducing flaws.

Correct, and Dandy represents the orthogonal mentality whereupon he is spontaneously successful without reprise.
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« Reply #102 on: November 19, 2014, 01:38:47 am »
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Gotham is screwing with the timeline, right?  I thought Harvey Dent was supposed to be around Bruce Wayne's age. 

And was the comic book character a little mentally unstable before his disfigurement?  I always thought he was supposed to be unambiguously good until he became Two-Face, at which point he started going insane.
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« Reply #103 on: November 19, 2014, 08:53:04 am »
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So, watching this week's American Horror Story I stopped twice to make sure I hadn't skipped an episode somehow. I feel this series has really lost touch with anything it thought it was trying to accomplish. There are still some really great moments but overall it isn't cohesive at all.
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« Reply #104 on: November 25, 2014, 12:13:16 pm »
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So, watching this week's American Horror Story I stopped twice to make sure I hadn't skipped an episode somehow. I feel this series has really lost touch with anything it thought it was trying to accomplish. There are still some really great moments but overall it isn't cohesive at all.

It threw me off when the two ladies arrived at the doctor's office. I was thinking that I didn't remember Dell getting any more extreme than breaking fingers (which is still pretty extreme). They handled it with dialogue about the off-screen action. But it's still a little sloppy because the daughter blamed the freaks for his actions. How did she know it was related to the freaks?

But for this to have some serious impact, Dell's actions have to come to light, so they have to learn about the extortion of the doctor at some point. His other actions have pretty much turned the circus against him, though.
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« Reply #105 on: November 25, 2014, 12:16:51 pm »
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So, watching this week's American Horror Story I stopped twice to make sure I hadn't skipped an episode somehow. I feel this series has really lost touch with anything it thought it was trying to accomplish. There are still some really great moments but overall it isn't cohesive at all.

It threw me off when the two ladies arrived at the doctor's office. I was thinking that I didn't remember Dell getting any more extreme than breaking fingers (which is still pretty extreme). They handled it with dialogue about the off-screen action. But it's still a little sloppy because the daughter blamed the freaks for his actions. How did she know it was related to the freaks?

But for this to have some serious impact, Dell's actions have to come to light, so they have to learn about the extortion of the doctor at some point. His other actions have pretty much turned the circus against him, though.

I think that was supposed to be indicative of general prejudice against the freaks.  Doctor took them as patients, something bad happened to doctor, therefore it must be their fault.  The show is trying to demonstrate that the general view of the town is that anything bad is the freak's fault.
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« Reply #106 on: December 01, 2014, 09:39:00 am »
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I watch Bones through osmosis. It's not a show I bother watching, but I'm often in the room when it's playing.

I think I just really hate the main character. Dr. Brennan, I think. Prudence, maybe? She suffers from the Sheldon syndrome in that she's supposed to be super smart, but she's too clueless to realize when people use colloquialities and unironically expresses how such an expression is logically impossible.

I know this character is based on a real person, and I wonder what her reaction to the character's portrayal is, because I know I'd be embarrassed to have someone like that based on my life. (cue Homer Simpson/Max Power episode).

Also, do people like this really exist? I know a lot of nerds over the age of 20, and maybe I'm just fortunate that I don't know anyone like that. Younger nerds, sure.
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« Reply #107 on: December 01, 2014, 09:49:06 am »
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I don't watch Bones, but in the case of Sheldon, I don't think the point is that characters like that exist.  There exist people that exhibit some of those traits, but the character itself is a highlight of those things.  So, everything gets exaggerated.  A lot of people criticize the Big Bang Theory, but I think that Sheldon is done very well.  I mean, some of the jokes are for laymen only, but the execution is good.

Another case of this is a show like How I Met Your Mother.  None of those character exist, but rather they're some extreme embodiment of traits that really do exist in people. 

Notably, I believe all the characters in Big Bang Theory were inspired by real people that the writers/creators knew or knew of.
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« Reply #108 on: December 01, 2014, 10:26:36 am »
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Okay, I can grant that Sheldon is a caricature on purpose, which is often used to good effect in comedies (Moss from the IT Crowd is also an extreme example, but I don't find him annoying like I do Sheldon).

But Bones is not a comedy, so her fish-out-of-water comments continue to grate on my nerves.
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Sheldon is autistic (but high-functioning). People like him exist. People like him and their close ones can get annoyed at the show (occasionally?) laughing at him rather than with him. I find Raj much harder to believe than Sheldon.

AFAIK, Bones is just plain annoying writing. I could be wrong, I dislike the show too much to read anything about it.

HIMYM is absurd comedy, so I don't think the comparison is all that valid.
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« Reply #110 on: December 01, 2014, 11:47:53 am »
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I'd say Big Bang Theory is an absurd comedy as well.
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I haven't watched TBBT since 2013, so it might have changed, but it definitely looked like slice of life to me, although obviously not everyone is going to identify with it. Sure, sometimes they push it for the sake of the joke ("I HAVE THE SWORD OF AZEROTH!"), but it remains believable.

If you routinely see people in a scuba diving suit in bars, I want to move to wherever you live. While the first few seasons of HIMYM stayed reasonable, the series quickly forewent such lowly considerations as "logic" or "verisimilitude". For the better, if you ask me.
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« Reply #112 on: December 01, 2014, 12:14:07 pm »
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Neither HIMYM or Big Bang Theory are absurdist comedies... HIMYM is a Friends clone, a hangout sitcom. BBT is basically a hangout sitcom with NERDS !

I don't like the "how well they're caricatures" defense. Obviously sitcom characters live in a heightened reality where everyone has an elaborate costume for Halloween and no one ever moves to another city, but they still need to be grounded in reality to be relatable.

@pacovf : The problem is Sheldon isn't autistic. He sure behaves like someone who is, but officially no, he's just a nerd. I wish the show would just say he's autistic and be done with it, because as is it annoys me greatly. Well not anymore since I stopped watching a while ago, but Sheldon just being an ass wasn't super funny to me.
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« Reply #113 on: December 01, 2014, 12:15:17 pm »
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Ok, Barney is probably pushing the line a bit, but everyone else in HIMYM (at least in he first few seasons) is a character rooted in reality.
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« Reply #114 on: December 01, 2014, 12:35:06 pm »
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Neither HIMYM or Big Bang Theory are absurdist comedies... HIMYM is a Friends clone, a hangout sitcom.

I've heard a lot of people complain about HIMYM as it became less and less like Friends. Honestly, I thought it improved as it tried weirder and weirder stuff. You would be hard pressed to call, say, the 4th season a Friends clone.


Ok, Barney is probably pushing the line a bit, but everyone else in HIMYM (at least in he first few seasons) is a character rooted in reality.

Man, way more than "pushing the line a bit". Everything that happens in Goliath Bank is completely insane, for starters. Everything. Do you remember that episode where Marshall was afraid that he was going to be fired, and Barney told him that he had to be unique to avoid being fired?
And while Barney is the most obvious case of not-even-trying-to-make-sense, all the other characters get their surreal episodes too. Of course, if you base your opinion on the first few seasons, I agree with you. But I think they are not very representative of the whole series.
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« Reply #115 on: December 01, 2014, 01:42:25 pm »
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Well I would say the first four seasons are vastly, vastly superior to the later ones (though I did keep watching and there were good episodes every now and then), so that's why I'm basing my opinion of the series on them.

I'll concede that the show did grow more surreal as it went on, but the word "absurd" for a comedy is something I associate with Monty Python, not with HIMYM.
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« Reply #116 on: December 01, 2014, 02:01:03 pm »
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I started watching The Walking Dead from season 5, episode 1. Its alright I suppose
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« Reply #117 on: December 02, 2014, 11:48:04 am »
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I've started to watch a bunch of animated shows, since I started a degree in animation. Figured I should watch animated shows. So far I've watched Gravity Falls, Archer, and Rick and Morty.

Archer is hilarious. I recommend it to anyone who likes a healthy dose of sarcasm, sex jokes and James Bond parody. Lots of running gags in this show, but most of them are pretty good and not over used which I liked a lot. Plus the drawings are really well done. The cut out style sort of makes the show more funny since you get these realistic drawings, but then they are animated sort of childishly, which is yet in again in contrast to some of the subject matter.

Gravity Falls is a kids' show on the Disney channel, but it's one of those kids' shows that also funny for adults. The characters are adorable, especially Waddles the pig, and the plots are fun. I recommend for easy watching, or watching a show with kids. It'll be entertaining for everyone.

Finally I watched Rick and Morty. This show man, it's strange. The plots all revolve around Morty, a 14 year old boy, who is pulled into adventures with his alcoholic mad scientist grandfather. They are so far-fetched. One second Morty is in class, the next they are travelling to parallel worlds, or going into the theme park Rick made inside a Homeless man's body. Should be noted that this is not for kids. But I did enjoy it quite a bit and am eager for season 2.
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« Reply #118 on: December 02, 2014, 11:51:13 am »
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Rick and Morty is so, so, so, so good.
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« Reply #119 on: December 02, 2014, 12:19:22 pm »
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Rick and Morty had a minor crossover with Gravity Falls at one point.
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« Reply #120 on: December 02, 2014, 12:21:21 pm »
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Bojack Horseman is incredible. Highly suggest it if you like animated stuff. Or if you don't.
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« Reply #121 on: December 02, 2014, 01:52:32 pm »
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Bojack Horseman is incredible. Highly suggest it if you like animated stuff. Or if you don't.

Yeah, I watched the first episode yesterday :P I do plan to watch the rest though.
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« Reply #122 on: December 17, 2014, 04:35:30 pm »
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I just started Fargo (and I'm almost finished it now). Really really good, it feels like the movie, but is different? I was quite happy with it, and would recommend it to anyone who liked the movie, or just likes good TV about crime and people and human nature and stuff.
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« Reply #123 on: January 19, 2015, 12:03:35 am »
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So I watched the premiere of 12 Monkeys.  Wasn't that bad, really, though I didn't expect a lot from it. 
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« Reply #124 on: January 19, 2015, 06:48:23 am »
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Latest episode of Grimm was best yet.
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« Reply #125 on: January 19, 2015, 01:08:57 pm »
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I watched some of the footage that io9 had of Man in the High Castle. That shows looks pretty awesome. Anyone else stoked about this show? I can't watch the pilot on Amazon because I'm Canadian, but will find a way to watch it eventually.

Edit: It's a show based on the Phillip K. Dick book of the same name. An alternate universe where the Allies lost WWII, set in occupied North America.
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« Reply #126 on: February 01, 2015, 11:52:39 am »
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Anyone see 12 Monkeys yet? I have it on DVR, but I have so much other stuff to watch. If 12 Monkeys isn't living up to the hype, then I may just remove it. But I figured it would be worthwhile to keep on DVR in case it is decent. I know SyFy is trying to turn itself around.
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« Reply #127 on: February 01, 2015, 12:46:23 pm »
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Anyone see 12 Monkeys yet? I have it on DVR, but I have so much other stuff to watch. If 12 Monkeys isn't living up to the hype, then I may just remove it. But I figured it would be worthwhile to keep on DVR in case it is decent. I know SyFy is trying to turn itself around.

Don't expect it to be great.  But hey, watch it, it's kind of okay.
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« Reply #128 on: February 01, 2015, 04:00:24 pm »
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I watched some of the footage that io9 had of Man in the High Castle. That shows looks pretty awesome. Anyone else stoked about this show? I can't watch the pilot on Amazon because I'm Canadian, but will find a way to watch it eventually.

Edit: It's a show based on the Phillip K. Dick book of the same name. An alternate universe where the Allies lost WWII, set in occupied North America.

Wait, Len Deighton STOLE the idea for SSGB??
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« Reply #129 on: February 01, 2015, 04:31:39 pm »
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I watched some of the footage that io9 had of Man in the High Castle. That shows looks pretty awesome. Anyone else stoked about this show? I can't watch the pilot on Amazon because I'm Canadian, but will find a way to watch it eventually.

Edit: It's a show based on the Phillip K. Dick book of the same name. An alternate universe where the Allies lost WWII, set in occupied North America.

Wait, Len Deighton STOLE the idea for SSGB??

I haven't read it so I can't really compare directly, but though the premises are similar I can only assume that the actual plots are quite different.
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« Reply #130 on: February 04, 2015, 03:00:14 am »
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Watching Person of Interest, there was some discussion about Schrodinger's Cat.  It was very basic, but the premise was explained.  This took me right out of immersion, because the two characters who were talking are both very intelligent, so no explanation should have been necessary.  It was purely for the benefit of anybody in the audience who isn't familiar with the concept.

That said, Person of Interest is still an incredible show.  Anybody else watching it?
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I would watch it based on its premise, but I really don't enjoy watching either of the two lead actors.
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« Reply #132 on: February 04, 2015, 08:50:24 am »
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Watching Person of Interest, there was some discussion about Schrodinger's Cat.  It was very basic, but the premise was explained.  This took me right out of immersion, because the two characters who were talking are both very intelligent, so no explanation should have been necessary.  It was purely for the benefit of anybody in the audience who isn't familiar with the concept.

This is why I hate watching Bones. Or rather, hearing Bones, as it plays sometimes when I'm in the room. The main character talks in such a stilted way, and the characters all speak to each other like they're children. The various CSI episodes do that too.

And I know that it's a way to engage the audience. It's no fun if two people talk about something that the audience knows nothing about. I just wish there is a way to do it without ruining immersion.
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« Reply #133 on: February 04, 2015, 09:36:43 am »
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I watched three episodes of Person of INterest because the premise was interesting, and concluded it was just another boring CBS-procedural with an awful, awful leading performance (Caviezel).

I've heard it's gotten better, but it's really hard for me to come back to stuff I've given up on (see : Marvel's Agents of SHIELD).
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« Reply #134 on: February 04, 2015, 09:39:44 am »
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I think that Gotham has gotten much, much better since the break.  I haven't watched last night's episode yet, though.  They need to seriously consider just writing out Gordon's ex entirely.  Without her, every scene is actually watchable. 

Maybe we can start an online petition?
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« Reply #135 on: February 04, 2015, 04:28:33 pm »
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I watched three episodes of Person of INterest because the premise was interesting, and concluded it was just another boring CBS-procedural with an awful, awful leading performance (Caviezel).

I've heard it's gotten better, but it's really hard for me to come back to stuff I've given up on (see : Marvel's Agents of SHIELD).

It's not just gotten better, it's gotten incredible.  I can't remember when it happened though.  If you were interested, I could find approximately when it stopped being a mediocre case-of-the-week procedural and became an awesome serialized sci-fi dystopian drama.
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« Reply #136 on: February 04, 2015, 06:54:33 pm »
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I think that Gotham has gotten much, much better since the break.  I haven't watched last night's episode yet, though.  They need to seriously consider just writing out Gordon's ex entirely.  Without her, every scene is actually watchable. 

I agree it has become incredibly well done. My wife was really excited about it before its debut, and I was not.  It hooked me immediately, and she let it go quickly. It has so much going for it - high quirk factor, better than average acting even when scenery is being chewed, lighting effects, micro vs. macro morality.  I like it a lot, and am behind a few episodes.

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« Reply #137 on: February 05, 2015, 03:57:32 pm »
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I watched three episodes of Person of INterest because the premise was interesting, and concluded it was just another boring CBS-procedural with an awful, awful leading performance (Caviezel).

I've heard it's gotten better, but it's really hard for me to come back to stuff I've given up on (see : Marvel's Agents of SHIELD).

It's not just gotten better, it's gotten incredible.  I can't remember when it happened though.  If you were interested, I could find approximately when it stopped being a mediocre case-of-the-week procedural and became an awesome serialized sci-fi dystopian drama.
I agree it has become incredibly well done. My wife was really excited about it before its debut, and I was not.  It hooked me immediately, and she let it go quickly. It has so much going for it - high quirk factor, better than average acting even when scenery is being chewed, lighting effects, micro vs. macro morality.  I like it a lot, and am behind a few episodes.

Person of Interest is a very good show, and all the episodes are fantastic. That being said, I know a few people who don't like the way the show is headed, they prefer it just the way it was, with them saving or stopping the new number every week. I like both aspects, but I'm slightly inclined to agree with the unmentioned individuals.

Even though I enjoy POI, I really like Arrow and Flash now. One Saturday night, my friend and I randomly watched the Arrow pilot after we had heard that the creators of something called "Arrow" were doing "Flash". Flash sounded pretty good, but we were wondering what Arrow was. So we watched the pilot on a Saturday. 2 hours later, 2 more friends come over, asking what we were doing. We excitedly responded, " We just watched this thing called Arrow. We're in the middle of the 3rd episode, would you want to join?" We ended at about 11:30 P.M. Right now, I believe Arrow is the best show out there. Haven't seen Gotham yet, but it sounds good.
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« Reply #138 on: February 05, 2015, 04:12:53 pm »
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I gave Arrow a pass when it premiered. It didn't appeal to me. To be honest, archery-based superheroes always bug me. Even in the realm of the fantastic, someone jumping around and planting arrows with perfect precision just annoys me—despite the fact that there are videos showing amazing feats of archery. But that's my own personal gripe that's not really rooted in anything reasonable.

But the Flash did interest me. I enjoyed watching most of the first season (not done yet), even when there was obvious crossover with a show I wasn't watching. Having learned that they both were by the same guy (I think), I started watching Arrow on Netflix. Fortunately, it's more than just improbably acrobatic archery. The story is pretty good, and I'm digging it. Still on the first season of Arrow, but I'm making my way up. I need to get back to the Flash and perhaps other shows on my DVR so I don't choke it (I don't know the upper limit of Google Fiber's storage, but I've learned that several days of the Olympics will choke the fuck out of it).
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« Reply #139 on: February 05, 2015, 04:31:16 pm »
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Flash is soooooooo boring.
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« Reply #140 on: February 05, 2015, 04:31:46 pm »
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I like the direction of POI.  There are tons of "case of the week" procedurals out there, but there's not much like what POI is now.  The original premise (super agent gets numbers for a target which may be victim or perpetrator) was fine but nothing amazing.  The serial elements really made the show, and I'm glad that they've given focus to that.  For those that prefer the CotW stuff, it's still around.  Fusco just handled a number in the most recent episode!

Arrow and the Flash are good.  They're both based on DC comics properties.  I've been told by a big DC comics fan that the shows do a poor job of sticking to the source material, but that doesn't bother me since I'm not a big comics guy (although I enjoy all the recent film and TV adaptations).  Moreover, I know that comics have retcons and multiple universes and all that, so it's not a big deal that there are changes for the TV version.

There's a pretty big change in the recent Flash episode though.

Barry's new love interest is Linda Park.  From what I can tell, Linda Park was actually the wife of the Flash in the comics... except not Barry.  Rather, she was the wife of the third flash, Wally West.  Barry Allen (the second Flash) was his mentor, and Barry was married to Iris West, who is Wally's aunt.  So the family tree is super twisted in the TV version now.

On the plus side, not keeping with comics continuity means that we can't be sure certain things will or won't happen just because they did or did not in the comics.

As for Gotham, I'm still not sold on it.  I think it's OK, but it's not as fun or exciting as Arrow or Flash.  I do still wonder if they're supposed to be in the same universe though, since they are both DC properties.



I also want to give a shout out to The 100, another show on the CW (like Arrow and Flash).  It started out a bit rocky, but I also quite like the direction it's taken.  More dystopian drama, hoorah!
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« Reply #141 on: February 06, 2015, 08:13:59 am »
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Okay, I caught myself up on 12 Monkeys yesterday. It's not too bad. It's mostly a retelling of the movie, but they're allowing for more exposition since this is a mini-series (I can't envision this being an ongoing series). So you get to see more of what the world in the future is like.

The Army of the 12 Monkeys has changed, which is interesting. It means that I can't rely on what I know from the movie. The premise is similar, and they have a female Brad Pitt, but the introduction of an overreaching menace shakes things up a bit.

So far, they've been careful in their handling of time travel. One character says he met Cole already in 1987, which hasn't happened to Cole's recollection. So big leak for a future episode. I thought they were going to flub when Cole went to Haiti in 2014 and would meet Railley. That would have meant she remembered seeing him, but they addressed that in the show. It's clear that their writers are aware of time travel wonkiness. Of course, it's time travel, and there will still be problems. Mostly I just hope that the writers are clever about it. I don't expect my time travel to be paradox-free.  Speaking of which, I'm not sure about the paradox bomb, but I guess it's a warning that Cole really, really, really should not meet himself.

And in other news, hype is building for Better Call Saul. I'm always wary of spin-offs, but I'll record this anyway. Bits are cheap. If the writing is as good as Breaking Bad, then this ought to be a good show.
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« Reply #142 on: February 06, 2015, 09:29:24 am »
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I think tonight's episode of 12 Monkeys will take place almost entirely in the future.

From the previews, they might have to send Cole back in the midst of an attack without any promising way of bringing him back, "stranding" him in the past.

I'm happy enough with the show.. some of it is cheesy and not too well done.. like every action scene, where someone holds up a gun and for some reason can't shoot until a long-enough pause for the hero to knock the gun out of their hand.  But, hey, not a huge production budget, that's okay.

Some of the previews for other SciFi shows look interesting as well.

Also, I think Better Call Saul will be quite good.  And I'm more excited for Walking Dead on Sunday than anything else in the world~
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« Reply #143 on: February 06, 2015, 09:47:54 am »
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It does look like SyFy is making a strong effort to live up to its name (even though that name is now the stupid SyFy). I was floored by the number of new series they have. And some of those commercials actually make the shows look appealing. I have enough shows right now, so I'll stick with just 12 Monkeys.

But I'm still a little wary about SyFy. I saw a commercial for pro wrestling, so they haven't entirely given up on the stupid.
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« Reply #144 on: February 06, 2015, 09:57:54 am »
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I think someone had told me that Helix was entertaining.  I could be thinking of the wrong show, though.
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« Reply #145 on: February 06, 2015, 12:54:18 pm »
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I watched season 1 of Helix.  I thought it was alright.  I plan on watching season 2 as well, which just started, but I haven't gotten to it yet.  From what I remember, it had some interesting mythology behind it.  I think there were some cases of "everybody is stupid", but I don't remember them all.  The show isn't amazing, but I think it worked as semi-mindless entertainment.
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« Reply #146 on: February 06, 2015, 01:01:40 pm »
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Not a new show, but The Americans started its third season recently. It's an interesting show, and season 2 was really good.
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« Reply #147 on: February 11, 2015, 02:58:17 am »
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Parks and Rec continues to knock it out of the park.  So many callbacks in tonight's episodes.
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« Reply #148 on: February 11, 2015, 09:02:39 am »
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Better Caul Saul (let's make that spelling catch on!) is highly entertaining.  It's the same kind of caliber as Breaking Bad, though less.. adrenaline?  More humor, not quite as dark.
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« Reply #149 on: February 11, 2015, 10:15:21 am »
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Better Caul Saul (let's make that spelling catch on!) is highly entertaining.  It's the same kind of caliber as Breaking Bad, though less.. adrenaline?  More humor, not quite as dark.

Damn, I'll have to wait for it to come onto Netflix. I forgot that the one downside to Google Fiber is that Time Warner is being a petulant little jerk and not sharing its AMC station. I had to watch Breaking Bad on Netflix, but that wasn't so bad since I didn't start watching it until season 5 started. I just had to wait a little bit for the second half of season 5 to be released (and I ended up borrowing a friend's DVD).

So unless I find someone around here without Fiber and who watches it, I'll have to wait for Saul.

My own progress is that I'm all caught up on 12 Monkeys and the Flash now. I'm chomping at the bit to watch the finale of American Horror Story, but my wife is taking classes in the evening, so it's difficult for us to coordinate a time to watch it. I may have to do the unthinkable and watch it without her.
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« Reply #150 on: February 11, 2015, 10:22:14 am »
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Really enjoyed the latest Walking Dead. I didn't check to see if it had an alternate director from the usual but it was definitely done differently and I liked the change of pace. It would not work as a continuous format, though.
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« Reply #151 on: February 11, 2015, 10:28:28 am »
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Really enjoyed the latest Walking Dead. I didn't check to see if it had an alternate director from the usual but it was definitely done differently and I liked the change of pace. It would not work as a continuous format, though.

It was Greg Nicotero. He was on Talking Dead after. I think he only directs a few episodes a season.  I liked it.

But, dammit, I wanted Tyreese to live.  I was hoping they would go the other direction with his character and make him become more like Rick, and have him come into a more leadership role.  Like he was in the comics before (doublespoiler) he died(/doublespoiler).
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« Reply #152 on: February 13, 2015, 02:15:56 am »
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Parks and Rec continues to knock it out of the park.  So many callbacks in tonight's episodes.

And in an organic way, too, wrapped in a layer of quality humor. Then filling. Then another layer of crust...
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« Reply #153 on: February 16, 2015, 09:39:03 pm »
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So just as I was coming here to say how much Gotham had improved from the first half, they bring back worst-character-ever Barbara.  Sigh.

Fish Mooney is still god awful.  I mean bad bad.. like.. why isn't she dead? 
Everything else is good.. I like the slow boil  they're doing with Bruce.

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« Reply #154 on: February 16, 2015, 09:54:51 pm »
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Maybe if we start an online petition, they'll write Fish and Barbara out of the show?  I just don't get it..  they could have easily ended Fish's narrative  once Falcone found her out.. Before, she was bad, but at least she was serving a purpose (Penguin's arc).

The guy doing Riddler is excellent.  And, from what I can tell, the kid that is allegedly to become Joker is pretty good.  I haven't finished tonight's episode though.


.... god this Fish arc is so dumb.
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« Reply #155 on: February 16, 2015, 11:18:54 pm »
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They can't write Barbara out of the show, she's canon!
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« Reply #156 on: February 17, 2015, 09:16:54 am »
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12 Monkeys is around the same as the first episode.. not bad, really, but not exactly compelling.  I feel like the idea is good, but it's just missing a little bit of something to make me actually get invested in the characters.  I like the grimness of it, though. 

The current saving graces of TV are Walking Dead and Better Call Saul.  I'm really excited for the rest of this season of The Walking  Dead, because in the interim I cheated and peeked at (read: binge-read all 130 some issues of) the comics.  I know some things will change, but the general plot points coming up are exciting and I think will be really interesting to see on screen.

Better Call Saul is just good, and I'm not really sure why.  I feel that even if I didn't watch Breaking Bad, I would still be just as interested and invested in the character.  I don't really understand what this show does different that, say, 12 Monkeys doesn't, but it's like I'm excited to see every new development, and I find myself hoping a particular choice/revelation doesn't go bad for Saul. 
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« Reply #157 on: February 17, 2015, 09:21:39 am »
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They can't write Barbara out of the show, she's canon!

Not having read the Batman comics, how important is she to canon? I've really only played the Arkham series, so I base my canon on that. I've not heard mention of Gordon's wife/ex-wife/prom date/whatever. I've only heard of his daughter, which judging by her name being Barbara as well, I figure that means that he named her in memory of his lost love. So I'm waiting for Gotham to kill off Barbara. But like I said, I am pretty ignorant of the canon except for what's fed to me through the video games.

Finally finished watching American Horror Story: Freakshow. The end episodes always seem to be a bit of a letdown for me. I'm not sure why. The carnival arc was appropriately depressing, though I'm sad that the only survivors are those who cowered or showed up late. They did show Amazon Eve's strength, but it ended for naught. Elsa's arc was slow to build, but I liked how she resolved her past. I suppose it was still a pretty good episode, but I expected more from the finale. That's probably my fault for building it up in my head.

And hey I also finished up Franklin & Bash season. I had been putting it off because I missed the first episode of the season and was hoping to catch it on DVR again. It never happened, so I skipped it. I still appreciate the writing of this show, but the plot is starting to drag, and it looks like they're really stretching with this finale.
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« Reply #158 on: February 17, 2015, 04:00:35 pm »
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Not having read the Batman comics, how important is she to canon?

I'm not super familiar with the comics either, but I like to look up characters as they come up on the shows.  As I understand it, Barbara Kean actually married Jim, and one of their children is Batgirl Barbara.  Specifics of her story are mixed up due to retcons, but she obviously has a prominent role in the comics.

In all seriousness though, it would be nice if they actually did something that shook up comic book continuity.  As it is, the show has fewer stakes because we can pretty much assume that most of the important characters have plot armor.  Jim can't die, Penguin can't die, Riddler can't die.  But as I said near the start of this thread, they could bring back that tension by doing something legitimately surprising.  Kill off one of the future-super-villains and reveal that the actual super villain is somebody else assuming that identity.  Actually deviate from the comic book sources.

The latter is a tricky subject though.  Surely there are fans who would be upset if they aren't faithful to the comics.  But really, comic book continuity is a mess anyways, isn't it?  Retcons and all?  The multiverse?  The TV shows could be their own slice of the multiverse that doesn't necessarily match up to the comics.  Arrow and Flash deviate plenty already, and I think that's for the best.
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« Reply #159 on: February 23, 2015, 10:33:21 pm »
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Fish still has scenes... Why is she still in this show? :(
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« Reply #160 on: February 24, 2015, 02:57:09 am »
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Fish still has scenes... Why is she still in this show? :(

Some people like her.  Like, the AV Club reviews have a mostly positive view of Fish, Penguin, Falcone and Bruce, and a largely negative view on everything else.
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« Reply #161 on: February 24, 2015, 08:17:39 am »
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Fish still has scenes... Why is she still in this show? :(

Part of it I suspect is because the character is a strong female. There aren't many of those in TV, so the presence of a strong female character—especially a villain—may make up for the awkwardness of her scenes. I'm still two episodes behind, so I just barely got into the mystery prison. Already that arc is making me scratch my head. Hopefully it's been explained already.

I saw someone post that she just wants a female villain who is simply evil. None of this crap about the villain being a villain because she's been spurned by a man or is trying to prove herself to a man. She has her own internal motivations, and she will do whatever it takes to achieve her goals. To that extent, I think Fish fits that pretty well.

Still digging the Flash. I think the Man in Yellow plot is dragging a bit, but they're still keeping everything else fresh. And it's pretty cool to see a major DC villain that isn't Joker or Lex. I don't know that much about the comics, but I do recall a little bit about Grodd. Of course, this version is a lot more brutal than the Grodd I grew up with.
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« Reply #162 on: February 24, 2015, 08:50:29 am »
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You can be a strong female character and not be a cringeworthy waste of episode time...
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« Reply #163 on: February 24, 2015, 08:51:20 am »
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Fish still has scenes... Why is she still in this show? :(

Some people like her.  Like, the AV Club reviews have a mostly positive view of Fish, Penguin, Falcone and Bruce, and a largely negative view on everything else.

Are they watching a different show?  Is there a version where it's not bad?
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« Reply #164 on: February 24, 2015, 10:34:28 am »
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You can be a strong female character and not be a cringeworthy waste of episode time...

I agree, but in a sense, she's providing something sadly unique in television. Compared to Barbara, Fish is a champ.

At least she's not Keanu bad. Considering that this is a world that more resembles Dick Tracy than CSI, Fish's over-the-top representation is actually at home here.

But the boat scene was ridiculous. It was an obvious ploy to try to get people excited about the next week. Ooh, Fish is getting all vicious. This will be an awesome fight. I'm tuning in next week for sure…oh, she got captured.

Each time Fish does something stupid or annoying, my wife just tells the TV, "Ha, you're not canon." I certainly would not be upset to see Fish gone for good. If she is somehow getting positive reviews, I have a suspicion she won't be. The writers will probably do something foolish like have her work under Penguin. In that instance, the show may very well jump the fish.
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« Reply #165 on: February 24, 2015, 10:35:26 am »
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Every time someone annoys me in real life, I'm just going to say "Ha, you're not cannon." to them and walk away.
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« Reply #166 on: February 24, 2015, 12:51:23 pm »
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I think the problem is that Gotham is having a tough time choosing between "over the top super hero/villain show" and "tough, gritty cop drama".  Fish is clearly hamming it up, and some people see that as delightful scenery-chewing and scene-stealing, whereas others just see it as cheesy and ridiculous.

I mostly like Fish.  I think she's interesting, and being non-canon means her story can go anywhere.  She could actually be killed off, so there are stakes in her storyline.  I prefer the cheesy zaniness over the gritty but bland predictability of most everything else.
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« Reply #167 on: February 24, 2015, 01:35:11 pm »
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I think the problem is that Gotham is having a tough time choosing between "over the top super hero/villain show" and "tough, gritty cop drama".  Fish is clearly hamming it up, and some people see that as delightful scenery-chewing and scene-stealing, whereas others just see it as cheesy and ridiculous.

I think you may right about that.

It wasn't the first time I referred to Gotham as a relative of Dick Tracy. Lots of over-the-top, goofy villains and hard-boiled detectives. The balloon killer was pretty ridiculous, something more closely related to the '60s series if it weren't for the lethality.

I'm okay with the genre-crossing. It doesn't astound me, but I find it enjoyable enough.
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« Reply #168 on: February 24, 2015, 01:44:22 pm »
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I think the problem is that Gotham is having a tough time choosing between "over the top super hero/villain show" and "tough, gritty cop drama".  Fish is clearly hamming it up, and some people see that as delightful scenery-chewing and scene-stealing, whereas others just see it as cheesy and ridiculous.

I think you may right about that.

It wasn't the first time I referred to Gotham as a relative of Dick Tracy. Lots of over-the-top, goofy villains and hard-boiled detectives. The balloon killer was pretty ridiculous, something more closely related to the '60s series if it weren't for the lethality.

I'm okay with the genre-crossing. It doesn't astound me, but I find it enjoyable enough.

Thing is, ridiculous and over the top is not bad.  It's not that Fish is over the top; it's that her scenes are just bad.   I don't have an issue with any of the other villains.

Plus, that she wasn't simply killed in any of the last five episodes is silly.  Crime boss is going to tie her up in a dungeon and torture her?  Uh, no, bullet to the head, toss in the river, done.  Evil doctors see she's causing a prisoner uprising and organizing resistance?  Okay, pull her off, slit her throat, done.  Business as usual.  Okay maybe steal some organs or whatever. 

The contrast between making Gotham an actual city where bad things can happen and the nonseriousness of the criminals is a big putoff.  Kid murdering his mom was a good direction to move.  Fish being alive is a huge step back from that.

And of course, the fact that the character is *awful* and the writers should be dancing through any hoops they can to kill this character off no matter how awkward it might make the writing, but they've literally had her death scenario handed to them on a silver platter multiple times and chose to write her out of dying in uncomfortably absurd ways.

Kill Fish, kill Barbara, you have a good show.
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« Reply #169 on: February 24, 2015, 03:50:50 pm »
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I really don't see how Fish's scenes are "just bad" compared to the rest.  Sure, she probably should have died a bunch of times, but that's no more absurd than how Gordon solves most of his cases by sheer luck rather than actual solid detective work.  I don't think the character is awful, at least no more so than several others.  What specifically about her character turns you off?

I expect that Fish actually will die eventually, because she's about the only character who can die.  They can't kill Barbara if they want to stick anywhere close to source material, though I would be impressed if they did.
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« Reply #170 on: February 24, 2015, 03:55:46 pm »
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I really don't see how Fish's scenes are "just bad" compared to the rest.  Sure, she probably should have died a bunch of times, but that's no more absurd than how Gordon solves most of his cases by sheer luck rather than actual solid detective work.  I don't think the character is awful, at least no more so than several others.  What specifically about her character turns you off?

I expect that Fish actually will die eventually, because she's about the only character who can die.  They can't kill Barbara if they want to stick anywhere close to source material, though I would be impressed if they did.

The way she talks, mostly.  And how they're trying so hard to point out how "badass" she is.
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« Reply #171 on: February 24, 2015, 03:56:55 pm »
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So upthread I read a comment about a character I've missed, or something, so help me out.  Penguin is obvious, Ed Nygma (clever there) will be the Riddler, but I missed a Joker-to-be character?  Who is that?  (And I'm now two episodes behind, so Fish has just taken over the underground slum after slitting the "boss's" throat, if that matters to the explanation).
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« Reply #172 on: February 24, 2015, 04:25:08 pm »
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So upthread I read a comment about a character I've missed, or something, so help me out.  Penguin is obvious, Ed Nygma (clever there) will be the Riddler, but I missed a Joker-to-be character?  Who is that?  (And I'm now two episodes behind, so Fish has just taken over the underground slum after slitting the "boss's" throat, if that matters to the explanation).

You are at the same point as me. There has not been a Joker reference yet.

But…the scenes from next week (so the current penultimate episode) hint at a Joker character. I think it'll happen in the two most recent episodes.

I kind of hoped they wouldn't try to force the Joker in there. Oh well, too bad.
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« Reply #173 on: February 24, 2015, 04:29:34 pm »
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The upcoming episode is, I would say, a good one. I'm not too concerned about that issue.

(By upcoming I mean the one you were talking about, the 2/16 episode.)
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« Reply #174 on: February 24, 2015, 04:52:10 pm »
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I really don't see how Fish's scenes are "just bad" compared to the rest.  Sure, she probably should have died a bunch of times, but that's no more absurd than how Gordon solves most of his cases by sheer luck rather than actual solid detective work.  I don't think the character is awful, at least no more so than several others.  What specifically about her character turns you off?

I expect that Fish actually will die eventually, because she's about the only character who can die.  They can't kill Barbara if they want to stick anywhere close to source material, though I would be impressed if they did.

The way she talks, mostly.  And how they're trying so hard to point out how "badass" she is.

Different strokes, I guess.  I think Fish's character is pretty interesting, and ridiculousness with her doesn't stand out any more to me than ridiculousness with the other characters.  I agree that Barbara isn't being used very well, and they could do better with Fish.  But I think they could do better with most of the cast.
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« Reply #175 on: March 06, 2015, 08:05:42 am »
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Is the final season of Parks and Rec worth it? I watched the first six seasons and then the season premiere of season 7. I'm so far not impressed with the final season. I'm not sure I should continue.

On a different note, I finished Agent Carter. Pretty good. Hope to see it return.
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« Reply #176 on: March 06, 2015, 10:41:33 am »
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Is the final season of Parks and Rec worth it? I watched the first six seasons and then the season premiere of season 7. I'm so far not impressed with the final season. I'm not sure I should continue.

On a different note, I finished Agent Carter. Pretty good. Hope to see it return.

This guy thought so, and makes the point rather effectively:

http://joeposnanski.com/goodbye-parks/

If you don't know his writing (mostly of sports, but also human interest stories), I'll just say Posnanski is not to be missed.
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« Reply #177 on: March 06, 2015, 01:29:14 pm »
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Definitely worth it.  The season was incredible.  The first episode or two are setup, but "Leslie and Ron" was an outstanding episode, and the quality was maintained from there.
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« Reply #178 on: March 06, 2015, 03:50:22 pm »
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Definitely worth it.  The season was incredible.  The first episode or two are setup, but "Leslie and Ron" was an outstanding episode, and the quality was maintained from there.

Okay, I'm convinced. I'll stick it out and get to the good stuff.

I probably would have anyway. I have a habit of watching shows until the end, even if they peter out (I'm looking at you, Heroes). In fact, it took great willpower to give up on the last season of Torchwood. I felt compelled to finish it, but I held strong and am not disappointed with the turns the show has taken.
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« Reply #179 on: March 06, 2015, 04:08:13 pm »
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I agree completely about Heroes, and I don't know how to feel about the fact that they are bringing it back.
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« Reply #180 on: March 06, 2015, 04:29:19 pm »
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Heroes, oh man.

I remember hearing about its return, but haven't seen much info about it since.  I will totally watch it when it comes back though.  I am a sucker.
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« Reply #181 on: March 06, 2015, 04:30:32 pm »
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I agree completely about Heroes, and I don't know how to feel about the fact that they are bringing it back.

I'm cautiously optimistic about it. They can do it correctly, and hopefully they will.

Heroes has kind of a Wild Cards feel. You can focus on little stories of different people, which was pretty much what the show did. To be honest, I didn't need them to tie the stories together. I was perfectly fine with the story about Claire and the story about Peter and never do they meet.

I think it could be neat if Heroes adopted the American Horror Story formula. One season focuses on ordinary people with freaky powers. Wrap up that season. Next season is entirely different. Maybe it's about gangsters in Chinatown. Maybe it's a story about garage bands in upstate New York. It could be fun and diverse.
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« Reply #182 on: March 07, 2015, 10:07:43 pm »
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I agree completely about Heroes, and I don't know how to feel about the fact that they are bringing it back.

...Heroes has kind of a Wild Cards feel. You can focus on little stories of different people, which was pretty much what the show did. To be honest, I didn't need them to tie the stories together. I was perfectly fine with the story about Claire and the story about Peter and never do they meet....

I agree with this. The fact that paths started to cross was what made me think it was all building to some amazing thing, and it never did.  That's what disappointed me.  Along with the fact that the writing just sucked at the end.  I seem to recall that they changed writers at some point, and you could certainly tell.
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« Reply #183 on: March 07, 2015, 10:29:28 pm »
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I think the problem was that they came off of this excellent first season only to run into the writer's strike during the second season.  It really hurt their momentum and they never really recovered.  They lost viewers but kept trying to do weird and crazy things to regain attention, which never really worked out.
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« Reply #185 on: March 08, 2015, 12:01:51 pm »
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Official news about Fish's character in Gotham:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/news/jada-pinkett-smith-says-she%E2%80%99s-leaving-%E2%80%98gotham%E2%80%99-after-season-1/ar-AA9sSmu?ocid=ansVariety11

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« Reply #186 on: March 09, 2015, 08:12:12 am »
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I finished up Parks and Rec. Another series checked off (not that I kept a list).

I didn't feel that the finale was fabulous, but it did a good job as a finale. It wrapped things up neatly. And I like the future glimpses. It was way better than the past glimpses that the Seinfeld finale did (seriously, that finale sucked ass).

I'm glad I saw the final season, especially the Pie-mary episode. It had some really great snarks in there. My two favorites are "I think you underestimate the voters;" "I don't think that's possible" and "Men have had a rough go of it for…very recently."

My complaint with this season is that they continued to use the three most loathsome and annoying characters. They're not the worst in all of television, but their inclusion made the scenes they were in as bad as typical prime-time TV. I refer to Craig, Jean-Ralphio, and his annoying sister. They contributed to the show not being absolutely amazing. Why even bother with those characters?
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« Reply #187 on: March 09, 2015, 09:21:12 am »
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Speaking of Parks and Recreation, yesterday I watched Nick Offerman's special (American Ham).  It's good; you should all watch it.
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« Reply #188 on: March 09, 2015, 04:08:10 pm »
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I refer to Craig, Jean-Ralphio, and his annoying sister. They contributed to the show not being absolutely amazing. Why even bother with those characters?

Man, I think Craig is an amazing character.  Jean-Ralphio was only around briefly and he served a narrative purpose by removing some of the expectations you might have for the future scenes.  His sister sorta just tied in with him there.
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« Reply #189 on: March 09, 2015, 04:31:19 pm »
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Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt is amazing. It's a Tina Fey/Robert Carlock comedy on Netflix, and anyone who liked 30 Rock should give it a try.

RE : Parks & Rec. The finale was pretty good. I don't mind Craig, he was certainly a bit more present this season but still in small doses, and he's nowhere near as annoying as Jean-Ralphio and Mona Lisa. Jean-Ralphio was kind of funny early on, but they kept coming back to him with ever diminishing returns.
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« Reply #190 on: March 09, 2015, 07:49:04 pm »
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« Reply #191 on: March 09, 2015, 10:02:10 pm »
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Jamm is the only character that made me want to turn off Parks & Rec. The show doesn't work tonally with villains. They need to just be other good people with different goals (Jan Barkley/Bobby Newport, Dave in his return episode, etc.) Craig, I liked Craig! Why does everyone complain about Craig?

Anyway very much enjoyed the final season, not the greatest but hey, it went out on a strong note, and that made me happy.
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« Reply #192 on: March 11, 2015, 08:48:51 am »
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Jamm is the only character that made me want to turn off Parks & Rec. The show doesn't work tonally with villains. They need to just be other good people with different goals (Jan Barkley/Bobby Newport, Dave in his return episode, etc.) Craig, I liked Craig! Why does everyone complain about Craig?

Anyway very much enjoyed the final season, not the greatest but hey, it went out on a strong note, and that made me happy.

I also hated Jamm, but I barely tolerated him because he was a caricature used to punch home the jabs made at politicians. He even narrates the whole process with recalling Knope, and that, I think, is what made Jamm a failure. He was used by the writers to slap the audience with the point. Many of the jokes in the show worked because they were satire that we could just enjoy. Jamm was the equivalent of explaining the punchline three or four times to someone who doesn't need an explanation.

Craig was just a weak attempt at throwing in quirky comedy, but it just made his character so awkward. The passive-aggressive April and the seething anti-government Ron were done so much better (though Ron's shtick started becoming as subtle as a brick as the seasons progressed). Craig's behavior seemed to be more like "Hey, you like funny, right? This is funny. THIS IS FUNNY!!!!" But Craig was still a far better character than Sheldon from BBT.

Andy's character barely managed to avoid the same fate by having some depth. His naiveté could only be tolerated for so long, but I was able to accept him because he did become more than a one-trick pony. They kind of tried to give Craig some depth with his romance, but it was too little too late.
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« Reply #193 on: March 12, 2015, 02:03:44 am »
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So is anybody else watching The 100?  The season 2 finale was amazing.  I did not expect any of the directions they went (at least, not until a few minutes before they happened).
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« Reply #194 on: March 13, 2015, 09:35:17 pm »
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Anyone watched The Last Man on Earth? Watching the first episode now.
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« Reply #195 on: March 14, 2015, 03:49:52 am »
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Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt is amazing. It's a Tina Fey/Robert Carlock comedy on Netflix, and anyone who liked 30 Rock should give it a try.

RE : Parks & Rec. The finale was pretty good. I don't mind Craig, he was certainly a bit more present this season but still in small doses, and he's nowhere near as annoying as Jean-Ralphio and Mona Lisa. Jean-Ralphio was kind of funny early on, but they kept coming back to him with ever diminishing returns.

I was home sick from work today so I watched all of Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt; it was really excellent.

Finished up the parks and rec finale this week as well and loved it, definitely one of the better series finales I've seen aside from the awkward Leslie-is-going-to-touch-this-character-even-if-it's-forced bit. Also, take it all back, Jean-Ralphio and sister are amazing. Make the spin-off now! The way characters are painted is my absolute favorite part of the show, and is typically elegantly done: quirky but believable at first, then reaching absurd levels after you know them a bit better.

I need to catch up on season 2 of Broad City!
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« Reply #196 on: March 14, 2015, 09:53:45 pm »
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Anyone watched The Last Man on Earth? Watching the first episode now.
I watched most of the first episode.  Can't figure out how it can be anything but a one trick pony, even with the girl.  I let it go.
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Anyone watched The Last Man on Earth? Watching the first episode now.
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« Reply #198 on: March 15, 2015, 07:23:02 pm »
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Found Season 2 of Orphan Black on Amazon Prime instant streaming.. I'm on the penultimate episode right now.. I really like this show~

Edit: And, Season 3 starts next month I think.  Anyone looking for a new show should look into it.. it's not, like, perfect or anything, but I think it's very entertaining.
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« Reply #199 on: March 17, 2015, 11:33:50 pm »
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None of my IRL friends watch it, so I have to just say it here. HOLY CRAP DID ANYONE SEE THE FLASH TONIGHT!?
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« Reply #200 on: March 17, 2015, 11:34:37 pm »
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None of my IRL friends watch it, so I have to just say it here. HOLY CRAP DID ANYONE SEE THE FLASH TONIGHT!?

I did not. I'm an episode or two behind, but now I'm intrigued to go see it. Should be able to catch it by this weekend.

12 Monkeys is getting interesting...

Yeah, I'm amazed that they're able to keep things cohesive this far. I'm still waiting for the house of cards to fall down and it turns into a Heroes mess, but so far it's still holding. The assault on Spearhead was brutal and shows that Jones is just as obsessed as the man she killed.
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None of my IRL friends watch it, so I have to just say it here. HOLY CRAP DID ANYONE SEE THE FLASH TONIGHT!?

I did not. I'm an episode or two behind, but now I'm intrigued to go see it. Should be able to catch it by this weekend.

Yeah,  I will watch it on hulu sometime this week.
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Going to watch it soon.  Feel free to babble about whatever amazing things just happened.  Should probably spoiler it for at least a day though.

Edit: oops, another page.  I was talking about The Flash.

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« Reply #205 on: March 18, 2015, 12:26:21 am »
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So I'm a huge fan of flash. He's my favorite comic book hero by far. And this show just feels like reading of comic book. It's great.
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Interesting!  I once spoke with an acquaintance who was a hardcore DC Comics fan and she said she couldn't stand The Flash or Arrow because of how far they strayed from canon.  I'm not really a comics reader but it sounded silly to me because you could always consider it a retcon or just another facet of the multiverse.
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« Reply #207 on: March 18, 2015, 02:56:23 am »
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Just watched it.  Wow, a lot of stuff happened in that episode.

Wasn't Wells kind of stupid?  I mean, he obviously figured out what was happening with Cisco and that Caitlin was stalling for him, but Caitlin otherwise hadn't learned anything concrete.  leaving behind his wheelchair would only arouse further suspicion, especially when Cisco is found dead.

Speaking of which, did Caitlin find out yet?  What is Wells going to do now?  Is there any way he can possibly keep his secret at this point?

With Barry in the past, can he possibly change history that somehow allows Cisco to live and Wells to remain undiscovered?

Also, I'm a bit confused at that last scene.  It looked like he ended up in the same place as he was (stopping in the same place, seeing the same people) so did his consciousness somehow slip into his past self?  It would have been more straight-forward for there to be a second copy of himself, but then he should have seen himself...
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« Reply #208 on: March 18, 2015, 06:51:36 am »
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Interesting!  I once spoke with an acquaintance who was a hardcore DC Comics fan and she said she couldn't stand The Flash or Arrow because of how far they strayed from canon.  I'm not really a comics reader but it sounded silly to me because you could always consider it a retcon or just another facet of the multiverse.

It's an odd complaint to me because comic book canon is generally extremely malleable. Especially for characters which have been around for decades. I mean, consider batman. He's been presented in a huge variety of ways from totally campy (like the adam west version) to the dark, gritty version. Heck, early batman shot people with guns.


Just watched it.  Wow, a lot of stuff happened in that episode.

Wasn't Wells kind of stupid?  I mean, he obviously figured out what was happening with Cisco and that Caitlin was stalling for him, but Caitlin otherwise hadn't learned anything concrete.  leaving behind his wheelchair would only arouse further suspicion, especially when Cisco is found dead.


I imagine wells knew he couldnt keep his secret forever from Cisco and has a plan to deal with the consequences. I mean, all he really needs is barry to move faster to generate enough speed force to allow wells to time travel. Wells being ousted could actually be that catalyst.

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With Barry in the past, can he possibly change history that somehow allows Cisco to live and Wells to remain undiscovered?

Also, I'm a bit confused at that last scene.  It looked like he ended up in the same place as he was (stopping in the same place, seeing the same people) so did his consciousness somehow slip into his past self?  It would have been more straight-forward for there to be a second copy of himself, but then he should have seen himself...


It does seem like there's only one past barry (instead of two), but I guess we'll see. Time travel has never been handled very consistently with the flash comics. It does seem barry will undo cisco's death and wells' reveal. And the whole Iris thing (though that he'll remember). But the audience gets a huge amount of information which should come out pretty soon again anyway. And this all seems like a really interesting take on Reverse Flash.
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« Reply #209 on: March 18, 2015, 12:26:16 pm »
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It also seems a bit stupid that Wells didn't get rid of the holographic evidence against himself.
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« Reply #210 on: March 18, 2015, 01:27:21 pm »
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New Community on Yahoo is actually super good. If were worried about it, the new episodes seem as strong as anything that came out in the 2nd or 3rd season. Not sure what it would be like to just pick it up there after giving up when the show was weaker in season's 4 and 5 as the show's cast has changed quite a bit, but if (like me) you had just kinda stuck with it even though it wasn't as good, Community is back.

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« Reply #211 on: March 18, 2015, 06:43:30 pm »
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I wouldn't go so far as to say this was 2nd season or 3rd season level material, but the second episode was quite good. Not that surprising though, season 5 was good too. Not as great as it once was, but considering the extraordinary circumstances, quite strong.
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« Reply #212 on: March 18, 2015, 07:05:10 pm »
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After years of watching things like Groundhog Dog, Run Lola Run, and the GvE episode based on Run Lola Run, I could tell that scene in Flash was going to be revisited. But I did expect something like Run Lola Run, and that wasn't the case, so I'm glad it was still a surprise for me.
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« Reply #213 on: March 18, 2015, 07:11:12 pm »
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None of my IRL friends watch it, so I have to just say it here. HOLY CRAP DID ANYONE SEE THE FLASH TONIGHT!?
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I gave up after 4 or 5 episodes. Rather boring and predictable and quite childlike I found.

Did it get better then?
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« Reply #214 on: March 18, 2015, 07:45:19 pm »
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I wouldn't go so far as to say this was 2nd season or 3rd season level material, but the second episode was quite good. Not that surprising though, season 5 was good too. Not as great as it once was, but considering the extraordinary circumstances, quite strong.

Tomato, tomato.

I thought it was really strong, but I respect your opinion as TV show liking is extremely subjective.
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I gave up after 4 or 5 episodes. Rather boring and predictable and quite childlike I found.

Did it get better then?

The first few episodes were a bit formulaic. It does break out of that somewhat (though it's still often villain of the week format), but if you didn't like them at all, I'm not sure you'll ever really get into it. It is, at it's heart, a comic book show, and it has a much more comic-y feel than most other modern live action comic shows/movies. It's also a bit lighter than the modern trend of dark and brooding. It's just a fun and energetic show that doesn't take itself too seriously.
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« Reply #216 on: April 05, 2015, 03:03:21 pm »
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So, The Walking Dead.  I think Season 5 has been the best.  Maybe the second half of Season 4 exceeds it.  I like the story telling style.. sometimes I want more action, but I like the slow build.  I also think it's better if watched together with no commercials, but unfortunately I watch them all as they air.

(Don't read ahead if you haven't watched Season 5 yet, I guess.)

Anyway, thinking back, I think my favorite episode was when Abraham and co. move ahead to go to Washington.  I like everything about Abraham in that episode, especially his speeches. ("We can get through!  I knot it!")  I knew the reveal was coming because I had seen the comics, but I still think it was done very well.  I wonder what it would have been like to see it with no knowledge of what would happen.

The Season 5 opener was amazing, of course, and I liked the finale, too.  I had thought the story would progress a lot farther, but I'm happy with where it is.  I'm really excited for the next two seasons.

Comic spoilers, don't read unless you've read them all: I hope they go a different direction with Abraham.  I'm thinking it might be possible because of the heart-to-heart he and Eugene had last episode.  In the comics, they almost don't talk at all until later.  But I have a fear he'll meet the same fate.  Anyway, I really like the actor and the character in the show, so I want him to be a permanent.    Also, he says the best things.  ("Mother dick!")

I'm thinking Season 6 will deal with the wolves for the first 2-3 episodes.  Some of it will probably be ambushes/attacks in the woods or picking off runners, but it will probably end with the same kind of gunfight showdown at the gates.   In the comics, this entire thing was only a few pages (the Scavengers), but I think they'll spread it out a lot longer here.  The show moves a lot more slowly than the comics do. This gunfight at Alexandria gates will attract the herd, which will be the big thing in the first half of the season.  All the while there will be a transfer of power from Deanna to Rick, and some drama there.  Post-herd the focus will be on building the community, fortifying Alexandria, and making it self sufficient.  In the second half, I think they'll meet Jesus and go to Hilltop.  The season will probably end with either them promising to take care of Negan, or them meeting Negan with the pivotal bat scene.  Season 7 will basically be All Out War.

They'll probably throw in some things that aren't from the comics as well. If they stick to only comic storylines, they could probably meet Negan by the second half of Season 6.  But judging from what they've done in the past, they'll add some new things.
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« Reply #217 on: April 15, 2015, 01:21:20 am »
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So, anybody finished with Daredevil yet?
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« Reply #218 on: April 15, 2015, 02:03:01 am »
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On the Walking Dead:

The show has definitely gotten a lot better since the midpoint in season 4. I think the back half of four was the most successful arc the show has done so far, but all of 5 was much better than most of what came before it. I will say that I didn't care for the hospital plotline with Beth... the villain character there didn't really amount to much and Beth's choices didn't fit the character. The doctor was the only interesting character in that whole thing.

And while I like the Alexandria community, it's still frustrating when so much of the tension stems from characters behaving totally irrationally: like the mayor lady's idiot son, or even dumber friend, or the alcoholic surgeon, or the crazy priest, or Sasha.

But I'm nitpicking. The show has gotten a lot better.

I'm wary, though, of this Wolves plotline, because I grow weary of increasingly deranged human villains who are just too irrationally savage to actually survive. I think they pulled it off (narrowly) with the Terminus people, but the Governor was just awful.

On the plus side, I finally feel like the main cast contains enough characters who are actually interesting and worthy of us caring about them. Carol, Rick, Michonne, and Daryl have been awesome for a long time, but Abraham, Eugene, and even Rosita have really come into their own.
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« Reply #219 on: April 15, 2015, 02:59:24 am »
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So, The Walking Dead.

This season made me actually bust out the comics to reread them. I think that's a good review.

I agree the Hospital arc didn't do much. It was interesting because I didn't know what was going to happen. But at the same time, they just switched out one pretty uninteresting kid (Beth) for another (Noah), which they later killed. What really bugs me, though, is that Glenn didn't care his sister-in-law died, but when Noah died he totally flipped out. In general I feel like people are affected more by random deaths/events than others. And then they move on by going back to how they were before the deat/other event. Some characters are changed over time. Carol is a good example.
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« Reply #220 on: April 15, 2015, 09:24:55 am »
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So, The Walking Dead.

This season made me actually bust out the comics to reread them. I think that's a good review.

I agree the Hospital arc didn't do much. It was interesting because I didn't know what was going to happen. But at the same time, they just switched out one pretty uninteresting kid (Beth) for another (Noah), which they later killed. What really bugs me, though, is that Glenn didn't care his sister-in-law died, but when Noah died he totally flipped out. In general I feel like people are affected more by random deaths/events than others. And then they move on by going back to how they were before the deat/other event. Some characters are changed over time. Carol is a good example.

I get that, but in my mind, hey, he got sad about it off camera.  I don't think we necessarily need to be exposed to everything, and I also don't think everything should be taken at face value.  Some things that people point out as continuity errors or oversights are, I think, stylistic choices that are meant to be symbolic of something.

Also, with Beth, I think everyone chalked her up for lost after the prison.  Even after they met up with Daryl and he said she was still alive, I doubt anyone had any real hope (except for Daryl) that she could actually survive.  And, Glen saw Noah eaten alive right in front of him, entirely due to someone else's cowardness and stupidity. Noah also represented something, specifically to Glen.  They talked about this on Talking Dead after the episode, I think.  He kind of represented the group (specifically, Glen) back at the beginning.  Noah hadn't really lived "outside" all that long; he was still a good person, innocent in a way, but still had what it took to survive.  His loss was senseless, and it just emphasized that the Alexandria citizens did not have what it took to survive.  They've just been getting lucky.

I didn't think Beth was really uninteresting.  I liked her episode with Daryl back in Season 4, and I liked when she started fighting in the hospital.  I get what people are saying about the hospital episode being a bit boring, but man, when hit that cop over the head and let the suicide girl eat him up, that was just awesome.  I was really excited to see what would happen when she took the scalpel and set out with death in her eyes, but then Carol came in.  I was hoping her whole arc from this would be to emerge as a survivor and a valued member of the group.

I also liked Noah.  The world needs people that are thinking and planning, and he had the right idea with wanting to learn to build walls.

As for villains that are just too savage, well, I have a feeling we haven't seen the most savage of them yet...
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« Reply #221 on: April 15, 2015, 09:25:15 am »
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So, anybody finished with Daredevil yet?

Ooh, I haven't started it.  Is it good?
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« Reply #222 on: April 15, 2015, 10:26:38 am »
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So, anybody finished with Daredevil yet?

Ooh, I haven't started it.  Is it good?

My Facebook news feed is filled with nerdgasms about this show. I just got back from vacation and have a lot of catching up to do anyway, so it'll be a while before I can get to Daredevil. I should watch it early, though, as I'm sure that early activity will convince them to film additional seasons, so I should do my part and become a statistic.
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« Reply #223 on: April 15, 2015, 11:25:45 am »
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So, anybody finished with Daredevil yet?

Ooh, I haven't started it.  Is it good?

It's the most graphically violent "mainstream" superhero show, to the point that I can't watch it. Which is a shame (and my own problem, not blaming the show here). Just a heads-up for anyone with gore issues.
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« Reply #224 on: April 15, 2015, 11:42:35 am »
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So, anybody finished with Daredevil yet?

Ooh, I haven't started it.  Is it good?

I liked it.  Voltaire is right, very gory. The choreography is outstanding though, and the villains actually got some character development.
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« Reply #225 on: April 15, 2015, 12:20:24 pm »
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Is it more gory than Hannibal?
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« Reply #226 on: April 15, 2015, 12:33:59 pm »
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Is it more gory than Hannibal?

Don't know, haven't watched Hannibal.  I don't think it was actually that bad.  People occasionally lose body parts and there's a fair amount of blood.
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Is it more gory than Hannibal?

Don't know, haven't watched Hannibal.

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« Reply #229 on: April 18, 2015, 07:29:56 pm »
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On Episode 2 of Daredevil.  Pretty good so far.  I don't really see an issue with blood/gore/violence.. maybe it gets worse.  There's a good deal of visual blood, but, hey, he's out on the street slugging it out with baddies every night.   
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« Reply #230 on: April 18, 2015, 07:41:46 pm »
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On Episode 2 of Daredevil.  Pretty good so far.  I don't really see an issue with blood/gore/violence.. maybe it gets worse.  There's a good deal of visual blood, but, hey, he's out on the street slugging it out with baddies every night.   

Right.  It's not that bad.
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« Reply #231 on: April 18, 2015, 09:26:27 pm »
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Keep watching. Gore spoilers: there are multiple instances of compound fractures, and at one point a guy gets decapitated.

I'm not saying it's the goriest thing ever. I am saying, be aware it's more than most shows/movies (especially in the modern superhero genre, that's the big thing).
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« Reply #232 on: April 18, 2015, 10:16:14 pm »
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Finished episode 4.  Man this show is good.

I get there's some violent stuff.. I guess I'm just not too bothered by it.  Honestly, I think it's good in a way.  It gives you, as the viewer, a feeling that something is at stake.  Like, the hero can really get hurt.. people can really die, in horrible ways.  There are victims, and it isn't just an abstract fact; it's visceral.  Compared to, say, a show like Gotham, it just feels like the stakes are higher, and that gets you a little more involved and immersed in the show.

But, yes, it is more violent than most movies and shows, even in the superhero genre.
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« Reply #233 on: April 19, 2015, 03:10:18 am »
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The violence in Daredevil is more like the gritty superhero movies like Kickass. It doesn't bother me, but I would definitely steer my nephews away from it.

One thing I notice is that the director really loves filming. You can see the care he takes in setting up the shots, from the reflections in the sunglasses to the continuous fight scene in the hallway. I'm not sure if both of those were shot by the same director, but both scenes were done with love for the craft.
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« Reply #234 on: April 20, 2015, 02:25:31 pm »
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The violence in Daredevil is more like the gritty superhero movies like Kickass. It doesn't bother me, but I would definitely steer my nephews away from it.

One thing I notice is that the director really loves filming. You can see the care he takes in setting up the shots, from the reflections in the sunglasses to the continuous fight scene in the hallway. I'm not sure if both of those were shot by the same director, but both scenes were done with love for the craft.

Yeah I agree. Daredevil has some wonderful movie quality action scenes. That hallway fight in particular is beautifully shot.
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Also, I just thought yesterday.. the guy playing Daredevil (Charlie Cox) reminds me of Will Graham (Hugh Dancy) in Hannibal.  Kind of in the way he talks.. like his pauses and facial expressions.
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« Reply #236 on: April 20, 2015, 02:36:00 pm »
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Just finished episode 3.  There were definitely a few butt-clenchingly gruesome scenes so far.
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« Reply #237 on: April 24, 2015, 11:01:08 am »
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I finished season 1 of 12 Monkeys. I'm a little less enthused about the series now. I went into it with trepidation and actually found it better than I expected. But now it's getting a bit muddled. It reminds me of the end of the Sarah Connor Chronicles, and that disturbs me. I guess I'll see if there's a second season, but I'm not all that hopeful. I knew that things would get funky with time travel, and it's starting to quagmire (sure that's a verb).

I'll say that it's neat how the characters have grown. I wasn't expecting his best friend to betray the entire operation or her husband to sell Cole out, though that latter plot development wasn't too surprising when it happened.

The Flash has picked up steam again. I was bored with the bee lady. That episode just didn't feel like it was going anywhere. Now the Wells story is unraveling at a more enjoyable pace.

I think I'm 6 episodes behind on Gotham. I think Mark Hamill was the last episode I saw. We've just had other shows to watch first, and Daredevil showing up on Netflix didn't help matters any. Is Gotham still doing decently? Without spoilers, of course.

The downside to watching Flash is that I'm getting spoilers for Arrow. I might be as far as Season 2 on Arrow now. Been focusing on DVR shows mostly (except for Daredevil).
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« Reply #238 on: April 24, 2015, 11:32:49 am »
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Mark Hamill was in Gotham?
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« Reply #239 on: April 24, 2015, 11:51:41 am »
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Mark Hamill was in Gotham?

Crap, you know what? I got my shows mixed up. He was in the Flash. That's the danger of the villain-of-the-week format.

I remember some hoopla about the Joker being on Gotham. I have not gotten that far yet. But I had Mark Hamill in my head from the Flash, and since he voiced the Joker, I conflated the two. Not having seen the Joker episode of Gotham but seeing the "Joker" episode of the Flash, I got confused.
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« Reply #240 on: April 24, 2015, 11:53:47 am »
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Ah.  Gotham is getting both simultaneously better and worse.  It's hard to explain. 

I was pretty happy with 12 Monkeys.  Not, like, a paragon of TV awesomeness, but a show I was at least interested in seeing every week.  On a similar note, Orphan Black is back with its third season.  The premiere was last Saturday.  Again, not best show ever, but a fun show to watch.

Daredevil is just awesome.  I'm on episode 11 (of 13 I think).
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« Reply #241 on: April 24, 2015, 12:02:32 pm »
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Gotham is what it is at this point, you have to suspend belief often and the cliffhangers have maybe been less effective lately, but I'm holding out hope this could be one of those shows that gets better in later seasons when they are done with introducing new characters and setting up future plot lines. Certain casting changes for season 2 aren't going to hurt, that's for sure.

I've only heard positive about Daredevil, so I watched the first episode and I must say I wasn't impressed. Not that I thought it sucked, but Daredevil's partner seemed like a horrible character, and there was an awful lot of fighting sequences which I admit were well done, but I don't know if it was that the character is blind or what, but they were very dark and hard to follow. I guess it also bothers me that I have no idea why this guy is kicking ass even though he is blind. Did the acid give him super powers or something?

Haven't watched the second episode yet because the friend I was watching with hated it, but I might in the future. Convince me guys!
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« Reply #242 on: April 24, 2015, 12:04:03 pm »
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Gotham is what it is at this point, you have to suspend belief often and the cliffhangers have maybe been less effective lately, but I'm holding out hope this could be one of those shows that gets better in later seasons when they are done with introducing new characters and setting up future plot lines. Certain casting changes for season 2 aren't going to hurt, that's for sure.

I've only heard positive about Daredevil, so I watched the first episode and I must say I wasn't impressed. Not that I thought it sucked, but Daredevil's partner seemed like a horrible character, and there was an awful lot of fighting sequences which I admit were well done, but I don't know if it was that the character is blind or what, but they were very dark and hard to follow. I guess it also bothers me that I have no idea why this guy is kicking ass even though he is blind. Did the acid give him super powers or something?

Haven't watched the second episode yet because the friend I was watching with hated it, but I might in the future. Convince me guys!

Man, he's a superhero.  He can do, like, super things.  That's how these things go.

They go into more detail on his background and abilities as episodes go on.  There's a lot of flashback narrative, which I like.
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« Reply #243 on: April 24, 2015, 02:05:12 pm »
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Haven't watched the second episode yet because the friend I was watching with hated it, but I might in the future. Convince me guys!

I understood that Daredevil basically had sonar, but I never read the comics, so I'm only going off of hearsay. As a gamer, I wasn't really interested in Daredevil just because it seems kind of cheaty in an RPG sense to give a character the disadvantage of being blind while loading him up with abilities to offset that blindness. But then, in an RPG, you can say, "My character is technically blind, but since I have other abilities, I get no points for it; it's just for story purposes."

So for a while I didn't care about a hero who was blind but not blind. This show transcends that. It's interesting enough storywise. And really, blindness is not a disadvantage for him. In fact, Daredevil is quite super with his other abilities. He can hear heartbeats from across the room and know when someone's lying. He can feel when someone is sneaking up behind him. He can diagnose hairline fractures by pushing slightly on a bone. He's far more capable than a sighted person, so he's a superhuman.

If the first episode didn't sell you, then I don't know what I can say to sell it more. I didn't think the first episode was spectacular, but it was interesting enough to reel me in. The characters are all engaging. Even though Foggy seems vapid, he has a certain charm that lets you overlook that. And, well, like all supporting characters who hang around secret superheroes, he falls afoul of something or another.

The cinematography is pretty good. I noticed this guy loves filming. There are some neat shots, especially framing the character in the reflection in Matt's sunglasses. There's a hallway fight scene that is reminiscent of Oldboy, and it's shot with absolutely no cutaways. There's an interesting scene where the camera swivels from the point of view from within a cab all the way around.

I dunno. See if the second and/or third episodes capture your attention. While I wouldn't say that the first episode was super, I find it strange to go so far as to hate it. I'm guessing it's related to the inability to suspend disbelief with Daredevil's abilities? Certainly if someone comes in with the attitude of "oh great, he's blind but he's not," then that can make attaching to the character more difficult.
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« Reply #244 on: April 24, 2015, 02:16:33 pm »
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Blindness is kind of, like, a metaphor.  The opening sequence is pretty good about this (blind scale of justice).  He can't see, but he knows when people are telling the truth or not.  And he's a lawyer~

I think it starts picking up after the first few episodes.  Especially when Vincent D'Onofrio shows up.  (He's one of my favorite actors.)  The hallway fight scene was episode 2, I think, and I really liked it as well. 
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« Reply #245 on: April 24, 2015, 02:21:01 pm »
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Blindness has drawbacks too.  He can't read maps and plans in the enemy HQ, for example.  And there are ways to trick or overwhelm his senses.
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« Reply #246 on: April 28, 2015, 12:33:08 am »
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I only know it from the bad Ben Affleck movie, but Daredevil's other senses give him the ability to interpolate information about location, etc.  Episodes past the first let you intuit this, but in a less dumb way than I'm describing (and than it is, probably.)

The thing I love most about Daredevil is the weird meta fact that after the first three episodes or so, it's much more a show about the villain (Vincent D'Onofrio) than it is a show about the hero.  The same technique was used to good effect in my favorite of the Law & Order's, Criminal Intent, which was designed to be a Columbo-style detective show that was much more about the villains than it was about the detective (Vincent D'Onofrio).
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« Reply #247 on: April 28, 2015, 12:35:47 am »
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Deborah Ann Woll (the blonde in Daredevil) reminds me a awful lot of my first girlfriend. And they're the same age.

I've only gotten through the first 3 or 4 episodes so far.
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« Reply #248 on: April 28, 2015, 02:57:44 am »
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Anyone seen iZombie? Watched the first episode, and I think it has potential to be pretty nice.
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« Reply #249 on: April 28, 2015, 03:38:56 am »
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Silicon Valley is good right now! It's going to be a great season.
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« Reply #250 on: April 28, 2015, 10:00:01 am »
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Gah, we're like six episodes behind on Agents of SHIELD, and we're going to see Avengers 2. Hmm, perhaps I should ask my European friends who have already seen the movie (and SHIELD) if it's that important to be up to date on SHIELD. Although I suspect Avengers may ruin some of the suspense in SHIELD since that show tends to shape itself on the Marvel movies as they come out.
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« Reply #251 on: April 28, 2015, 02:17:28 pm »
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Gah, we're like six episodes behind on Agents of SHIELD, and we're going to see Avengers 2. Hmm, perhaps I should ask my European friends who have already seen the movie (and SHIELD) if it's that important to be up to date on SHIELD. Although I suspect Avengers may ruin some of the suspense in SHIELD since that show tends to shape itself on the Marvel movies as they come out.
Well, I've only seen Season 1 of SHIELD, so I can't really say how much AoU will spoil, if anything.

Then again, I watched all the Phase Two movies before watching any of SHIELD and didn't feel like anything was given away ahead of time. Keep in mind, AoU was filmed with the idea that a LOT of people will have only watched The Avengers (2012) and nothing else before this. So connections to other things (movies/TV) will be very limited in this movie, but readily apparent in those other things.
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« Reply #252 on: April 29, 2015, 12:12:21 am »
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Gah, we're like six episodes behind on Agents of SHIELD, and we're going to see Avengers 2. Hmm, perhaps I should ask my European friends who have already seen the movie (and SHIELD) if it's that important to be up to date on SHIELD. Although I suspect Avengers may ruin some of the suspense in SHIELD since that show tends to shape itself on the Marvel movies as they come out.
Well, I've only seen Season 1 of SHIELD, so I can't really say how much AoU will spoil, if anything.

Then again, I watched all the Phase Two movies before watching any of SHIELD and didn't feel like anything was given away ahead of time. Keep in mind, AoU was filmed with the idea that a LOT of people will have only watched The Avengers (2012) and nothing else before this. So connections to other things (movies/TV) will be very limited in this movie, but readily apparent in those other things.

Tonight's episode seems to have some setup for AoU.
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« Reply #253 on: April 29, 2015, 01:32:29 pm »
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So, penultimate Gotham episode.. I found myself simultaneously thinking "this is so stupid" and kind of liking it.  I realized the show should be viewed as more of a dark comedy.   The entire thing with Barbara convinced me of that.   Originally, I was hoping that it would be more of a gritty drama.  This change of expectation makes it a little better, maybe. The writing is still fairly bad in places. (They could have given the Ogre more interesting things to say than "You're the one," for instance.)  But, hey, people are dying with hapless abandon, and that can only improve the show. 
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« Reply #254 on: May 05, 2015, 12:30:14 am »
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Well, Season Finale of Gotham sucked.  Except next season may actually be better because the worst characters in the history of television were finally killed off.  As usual, Riddler was the redeeming part.
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« Reply #255 on: May 05, 2015, 05:41:33 am »
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Agreed on all counts. It sucked, Riddler was the only redeeming part and next season still feels somewhat promising.

Sadly I think we only got rid of one of the two, though? Still of course a considerable improvement.

Is season 2 confirmed? When will it begin?

I'm already dreading how they'll get Barbara and Jim back together eventually. Maybe same sort of techniques that were used on Butch will be utilized? If they just killed Barbara now, oh it's a joyous day in the Gotham universe.
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« Reply #256 on: May 05, 2015, 09:10:07 am »
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Agreed on all counts. It sucked, Riddler was the only redeeming part and next season still feels somewhat promising.

Sadly I think we only got rid of one of the two, though? Still of course a considerable improvement.

Is season 2 confirmed? When will it begin?

I'm already dreading how they'll get Barbara and Jim back together eventually. Maybe same sort of techniques that were used on Butch will be utilized? If they just killed Barbara now, oh it's a joyous day in the Gotham universe.

Oh, yeah, I was thinking Barbara got beaten to death, but I guess she was just knocked unconscious.
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« Reply #257 on: May 05, 2015, 06:29:02 pm »
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I'm not caught up, but you know they can't really kill Barbara, right?  She's canon end game.  Unless ridiculous things are happening in the last few episodes (I think I'm 3-4 behind).
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« Reply #258 on: May 05, 2015, 06:29:52 pm »
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Enjoy ridiculous things.
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« Reply #259 on: May 05, 2015, 06:39:00 pm »
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Enjoy ridiculous things.

Well OK then.  Maybe I will move Gotham up on my list.  Flash and Agents of SHIELD still have priority though...
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