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[AndrewisFTTW]

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Haven, Moat, Great Hall, Bridge, Treasure Map, Worker's Village, Embassy, Hunting Party, Wharf, Harem

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So I immediately thought the focus should be on Worker's Village, Wharf, and Bridge but a little too late in the game I realized Embassy would be really nice for sifting (and the on-gain attack!) and then I thought maybe Hunting Party would've been better than Wharf. What do you think about this specific board and in general how do you weigh different draw cards against eachother? Thanks

[Awaclus]

Worker's Villages are the most important. You need +actions to play Bridges.

[eHalcyon]

WV, followed closely by Bridge. They combo nicely with +Buy. Embassy and Wharf both provide draw, and HP can work too if you're careful. Game probably ends on piles.

[AndrewisFTTW]

I guess my question was more do you prefer Wharf, Embassy, HP or all and in what order?

[silverspawn]

I guess my question was more do you prefer Wharf, Embassy, HP or all and in what order?

wv/wharf > embassy or HP. as long as there are villages left in the supply, go for the wharf thing. if there are no villages left, and you don't have spare actions for more bridges, you can buy HP's.

embassy has fading utility. you can buy one at some point, but not more than one.

[eHalcyon]

I guess my question was more do you prefer Wharf, Embassy, HP or all and in what order?

wv/wharf > embassy or HP. as long as there are villages left in the supply, go for the wharf thing. if there are no villages left, and you don't have spare actions for more bridges, you can buy HP's.

embassy has fading utility. you can buy one at some point, but not more than one.

I'm not sure it's so clear cut.  HP is definitely a backup in case you don't have enough +actions, but I think Embassy could be more useful than Wharf since there's no trashing here.  I'm not sure.

[DG]

Open bridge. It coincidentally would have helped your awful draws turns 3-5. You don't want to be buying great halls early. We're looking at a three pile with worker's villages for sure and probably bridge, easy to see a third pile go. I reckon that you need 3 bridges in play to close out that three pile with loads of buys from wharves and worker's villages. I'd have an open mind on whether the deck needed to buy a wharf or hunting party on any particular turn (the hunting party can foul up when drawing multiple worker's villages and bridges).

[Deadlock39]

Is a simple Hunting Party stack with Bridge not competitive here?  You probably have a chance to close out piles with ~3 Bridges in play with the engine, but if HP/Bridge has 2 or 3 Provinces, it is going to be much harder to close out the piles and take a VP lead at the same time. 

I don't have any idea how fast the engine sets up here.  I did a quick solitaire with HP/Bridge, and I think it had 3 provinces on turn 13, and hit double province on turn 15. 

[soulnet]

With uncontested Bridges and WV, the engine can easily megaturn for the remaining provs and all the Duchies. A non-mirror is a non-starter.

[AndrewisFTTW]

So WV/Wharf/Bridge, open Bridge, one or two Embassies, HPs when WVs run or I'm out of actions?

[soulnet]

So WV/Wharf/Bridge, open Bridge, one or two Embassies, HPs when WVs run or I'm out of actions?

Ideally, no Embassy. Wharf is better. It draws the same this turn, more consistent for next, and it gives +Buy. If you find yourself a lot behind with early draws you could gamble on a single Embassy accelerating you a bit, but I don't see a plausible scenario.

[eHalcyon]

So WV/Wharf/Bridge, open Bridge, one or two Embassies, HPs when WVs run or I'm out of actions?

Ideally, no Embassy. Wharf is better. It draws the same this turn, more consistent for next, and it gives +Buy. If you find yourself a lot behind with early draws you could gamble on a single Embassy accelerating you a bit, but I don't see a plausible scenario.

I'm still not sure. The sifting is huge here without trashing, and the on-gain really is an attack on this board. The +Buy from Wharf would be the big plus on that side, giving more control over piles. I suppose Wharf also requires less village support.

[soulnet]

Ideally, no Embassy. Wharf is better. It draws the same this turn, more consistent for next, and it gives +Buy. If you find yourself a lot behind with early draws you could gamble on a single Embassy accelerating you a bit, but I don't see a plausible scenario.

You want to draw your deck anyway. Wharf is way better for that than Embassy and the Duration-ness gives a big plus for stability. Incidently, if anyone wants to try this board, I am free to play.

[CG19]

I like to sifting the Embassies give -- I would try to pick up 1 or 2. But Wharves connect your turns so well and the +Buys really go well with the Bridges. Win the WV split, buy Wharves, pick up an Embassy...maybe. Tough decision, needs more testing.

[AndrewisFTTW]

Ideally, no Embassy. Wharf is better. It draws the same this turn, more consistent for next, and it gives +Buy. If you find yourself a lot behind with early draws you could gamble on a single Embassy accelerating you a bit, but I don't see a plausible scenario.

You want to draw your deck anyway. Wharf is way better for that than Embassy and the Duration-ness gives a big plus for stability. Incidently, if anyone wants to try this board, I am free to play.

Once I finish up this game I'm down. Meet in outpost?

[soulnet]

Ideally, no Embassy. Wharf is better. It draws the same this turn, more consistent for next, and it gives +Buy. If you find yourself a lot behind with early draws you could gamble on a single Embassy accelerating you a bit, but I don't see a plausible scenario.

You want to draw your deck anyway. Wharf is way better for that than Embassy and the Duration-ness gives a big plus for stability. Incidently, if anyone wants to try this board, I am free to play.

Once I finish up this game I'm down. Meet in outpost?

Logging on now.

[silverspawn]

So WV/Wharf/Bridge, open Bridge, one or two Embassies, HPs when WVs run or I'm out of actions?

DON'T OPEN BRIDGE

[soulnet]

So WV/Wharf/Bridge, open Bridge, one or two Embassies, HPs when WVs run or I'm out of actions?

DON'T OPEN BRIDGE

I played Stef once and Andrew twice. 5 Bridge/Silver opens and one Wharf/Haven openning (mine against Stef). There is no good time to pick up Bridge later, you have to open Bridge.

[eHalcyon]

So WV/Wharf/Bridge, open Bridge, one or two Embassies, HPs when WVs run or I'm out of actions?

DON'T OPEN BRIDGE

What, why not?  What would you open?  I mean, you could try contesting WV immediately, but I think you'll fall behind that way in the long run.  Bridge/Silver is good economy and even has the possibility of double WV in the second shuffle to catch up on the race.

@soulnet, did the games change your thoughts on Wharf vs. Embassy, or further cement them?  I'm thinking now that Wharf is mostly better, but a single Embassy could be very helpful to really pull the deck together.

[AndrewisFTTW]

I don't think there's time for embassy, you need to focus on WV and Wharf.

[soulnet]

@soulnet, did the games change your thoughts on Wharf vs. Embassy, or further cement them?  I'm thinking now that Wharf is mostly better, but a single Embassy could be very helpful to really pull the deck together.

I think there is only room for Embassy as a tactical move in your next-to-last turn.

[Polk5440]

This thread has sparked good discussion. Why haven't more people respected the OP?