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Crazy Openings
« on: December 14, 2011, 01:51:52 pm »
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I was discussing with theory regarding an upcoming article on Baron, and noticed something interesting:

On the council room openings page, there is the following opening listed:
3.559 21.467      Border Village / Baron   6/4

Without the aide of the game search page: What are the ways in which this can happen?

Not as fiendish as some of the other puzzles in here, but was an interesting diversion.
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Re: Crazy Openings
« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2011, 02:15:52 pm »
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T1:  Opponent buys Noble Brigand, flipping two of your coppers.
T1:  Buy Baron with CCCCE.  Reshuffle and draw Baron-CCCE
T2:  Play Baron for $4, buy BV.  Gain something awesome.
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Re: Crazy Openings
« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2011, 04:51:31 pm »
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Does the opening list show the order in which the cards were bought?
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Re: Crazy Openings
« Reply #3 on: December 14, 2011, 08:42:13 pm »
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Does the opening list show the order in which the cards were bought?
I don't think so, it always seems to be "Higher Value -> Lower Value"
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Re: Crazy Openings
« Reply #4 on: December 14, 2011, 09:06:59 pm »
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I know we like these high powered openings but there's probably some poor person who's been given 2/3 as their starting hands by a noble brigand.
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Re: Crazy Openings
« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2011, 05:01:27 am »
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I know we like these high powered openings but there's probably some poor person who's been given 2/3 as their starting hands by a noble brigand.

Unfortunately we can't tell that from the openings page on CR as people often buy down with openings like Chapel/Silver.
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Re: Crazy Openings
« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2011, 07:00:40 am »
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An upcoming article on baron ? Yeah, I love this card  :D
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Re: Crazy Openings
« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2011, 07:11:39 am »
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I noticed you asked for "ways", plural. So should we still be trying to think of a different way?

By the way, don't bother trying to come up with a rational explanation for this one:

2.795 23.113      Province / Wharf   8/5

That guy was just blatantly cheating, by spoofing the server in a way that has presumably been fixed long ago.
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Re: Crazy Openings
« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2011, 08:15:10 am »
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It can "easily" be done in a 5 player game.

Player 1 buys Noble Brigand. Making every other player discard EE and thus giving them a Copper.
Player 2 buys Council Room. Drawing E C C CR C.
Player 3 buys Council Room. Drawing E C C CR C.
Player 4 buys Council Room. Drawing E C C CR C.
Player 5 buys Wharf. Drawing E C C Wharf C.

Player 1 does whaterver.
Player 2 plays CR. Making Player 5 draw C.
Player 3 plays CR. Making Player 5 draw C.
Player 4 plays CR. Making Player 5 draw C.
Player 5 now has E C C Wharf C C C C, playing a Wharf and getting the last two Coppers needed to buy a Province.
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Re: Crazy Openings
« Reply #9 on: December 15, 2011, 09:52:51 am »
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I think the guy with the turn 2 province needs to post it up in the "great isotropic moments" thread.
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Re: Crazy Openings
« Reply #10 on: December 15, 2011, 12:45:34 pm »
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i think i have the province/wharf opening ...


player 4's first draw is ccccc, leaving two estates on top of the draw pile.

round 1
player 1 buys noble brigand, flipping 2 cards for everybody. player 4 flips 2 estates and gains a copper
player 2 buys embassy, giving everybody a silver, draws the embassy after the reshuffle
player 3 buys a masquerade, draws last 3 cards (since 2 were flipped), reshuffles, draws masq, silver
player 4 buys wharf, drawing estate and 2 coppers, reshuffles, draws silver, wharf. there are 8 cards (6 coppers, 2 estates) left in draw pile)

round 2
player 1 whatever
player 2 whatever
player 3 plays masq, passes a silver to player 4 (thanks, player 3!), who passes an estate
player 4 now has copper x 2, silver x 2, wharf in hand, plays wharf, draws 2 coppers province!




« Last Edit: December 15, 2011, 01:01:43 pm by snappy »
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Re: Crazy Openings
« Reply #11 on: December 20, 2011, 12:39:50 am »
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How about this one?

7.057 19.754  Platinum / Platinum 9/9
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Re: Crazy Openings
« Reply #12 on: December 21, 2011, 08:41:03 am »
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I think no-one did reply because no-one has any plan how you could open Platinum/Platinum.
I think there are rare side cases you would be able to buy Platinum on turn 2. But how on earth anyone could open double Platinum???
Is there any way to check the respective log?

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Re: Crazy Openings
« Reply #13 on: December 21, 2011, 10:02:29 am »
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I think no-one did reply because no-one has any plan how you could open Platinum/Platinum.
I think there are rare side cases you would be able to buy Platinum on turn 2. But how on earth anyone could open double Platinum???
Is there any way to check the respective log?

I think there was a puzzle asking what it would take to buy a Colony on your first turn. It is possible, but you need like 8 players or something. With sufficient Masquerade tricks, they can pass you what you need before your first turn. I doubt it could ever happen without perfect shuffle luck, though.

Does Iso allow more than 6 player games?
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Re: Crazy Openings
« Reply #14 on: December 21, 2011, 10:14:00 am »
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I think there was a puzzle asking what it would take to buy a Colony on your first turn. It is possible, but you need like 8 players or something. With sufficient Masquerade tricks, they can pass you what you need before your first turn.

I'm confused.  How can anyone play a Masquerade on their first turn? 
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Re: Crazy Openings
« Reply #15 on: December 21, 2011, 10:14:24 am »
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I could see it being done on the second turn, but I have no idea how you're supposed to get to play your first buy before everyone has played their first turn. It basically means that one player has to take two turns before the last player takes his first. Or am I missing something?
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Re: Crazy Openings
« Reply #16 on: December 21, 2011, 11:40:13 am »
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I think there was a puzzle asking what it would take to buy a Colony on your first turn. It is possible, but you need like 8 players or something. With sufficient Masquerade tricks, they can pass you what you need before your first turn.

I'm confused.  How can anyone play a Masquerade on their first turn?

Oops! Yeah, the puzzle was for second turn. I guess with sufficient players, and Nobel Brigand type stuff, you can have any number of coppers in your deck on your first turn, but you could never start your first turn with more than 5 cards. My mistake.

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Re: Crazy Openings
« Reply #17 on: December 21, 2011, 11:43:55 am »
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Embassy can give you Silvers before your first turn, but I still can't find a way to get them into your hand...
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Re: Crazy Openings
« Reply #18 on: December 22, 2011, 05:26:47 am »
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I'm wondering whether the opening is really Turn 1 Platinum followed by Turn 2 Platinum, or if it is Turn 1 nothing followed by Turn 2 Platinum + Platinum (Talisman maybe?)
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Re: Crazy Openings
« Reply #19 on: December 22, 2011, 12:34:51 pm »
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How about this one?

7.057 19.754  Platinum / Platinum 9/9

It's the same cheating dude.
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Re: Crazy Openings
« Reply #20 on: December 22, 2011, 02:04:53 pm »
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Here's the game log of the Platinum/Platinum hax opening: http://councilroom.com/game?game_id=game-20110210-131456-d0bf5b5e.html

Nothing about this game makes any sense.
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Re: Crazy Openings
« Reply #21 on: December 22, 2011, 02:08:40 pm »
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Here's the game log of the Platinum/Platinum hax opening: http://councilroom.com/game?game_id=game-20110210-131456-d0bf5b5e.html

Nothing about this game makes any sense.

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--- bdhcompany's turn 1 ---
bdhcompany plays 3 Coppers.
bdhcompany buys a Platinum.
(bdhcompany draws: 4 Coppers and an Estate.)

--- bdhcompany's turn 3 ---
bdhcompany plays 2 Coppers and a Platinum.
bdhcompany buys a Gold.
(bdhcompany draws: 4 Coppers and an Estate.)
I'm so confused.
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Re: Crazy Openings
« Reply #22 on: December 22, 2011, 02:17:44 pm »
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It gets worse:

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--- bdhcompany's turn 10 ---
bdhcompany plays a Copper and a Platinum.
bdhcompany buys a Colony.
(bdhcompany draws: a Copper, 2 Platinums, an Estate, and a Silver.)

Not to mention the turn 35 Sea Hag buy.
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Re: Crazy Openings
« Reply #23 on: December 22, 2011, 03:33:58 pm »
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No, I mean, if with 3 Coppers you can buy a Platinum, why would you buy a Gold with 2 Coppers and a Platinum? 
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Re: Crazy Openings
« Reply #24 on: December 22, 2011, 03:46:07 pm »
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No, I mean, if with 3 Coppers you can buy a Platinum, why would you buy a Gold with 2 Coppers and a Platinum?

Because (3 coppers = $3) * (3 of a kind) = $9

But (2 coppers = $2) * (2 of a kind) + (1 gold = $3) is only $7
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