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For anyone else, such a statement would be a scum tell.  For Hydrad, it's simply a tell that you're reading something from Hydrad.

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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day 2 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #1077 on: October 15, 2014, 04:41:27 pm »

well this sucks now I still don't know whom to vote for. My gut says Hydrad is scum, I also want Hydrad to be scum because I then I'd be right about my analysis of his behavior, but at the same time, I don't want to let Jimmm get away with doing almost nothing, like he did in Zelda Mafia.

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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day 2 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #1078 on: October 15, 2014, 04:42:22 pm »

would scum!Hydrad claim VT? WW, any strong opinion here?

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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day 2 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #1079 on: October 15, 2014, 04:42:51 pm »

Isn't it Mafia that is investigation immune and not SK?  Someone said it was SK.

I think SK has 2shot JOAT also.

Okay, one of the shots is investigation immune.  But he can only use that once.
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day 2 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #1080 on: October 15, 2014, 04:43:18 pm »

would scum!Hydrad claim VT? WW, any strong opinion here?

You did just tell him "I'm not believing you if you claim a PR". 

Even if you didn't, we probably wouldn't believe him if he claimed a PR.
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day 2 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #1081 on: October 15, 2014, 04:44:25 pm »

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You did just tell him "I'm not believing you if you claim a PR". 

oh I did didn't I? that probably wasn't the smartest thing I did this game.

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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day 2 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #1082 on: October 15, 2014, 04:46:46 pm »

well okay so...

vote: Hydrad

I just really need to go to sleep.

If we lynch him, at least we only lose another VT

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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day 2 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #1083 on: October 15, 2014, 04:47:47 pm »

guys I may have been hasty in my town read on silverspawn
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day 2 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #1084 on: October 15, 2014, 04:54:17 pm »

guys I may have been hasty in my town read on silverspawn

I have been getting a bit of a bad feeling as well.
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day 2 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #1085 on: October 15, 2014, 04:57:39 pm »

my class is just about to start.  I will be back in 1.5 hours for sure.  I could do a silvers pawn lynch today.

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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day 2 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #1086 on: October 15, 2014, 05:07:41 pm »

Can someone show me where mafia have fake claims?  Some of you were stating this, but it isn't in the setup post.  Sounds like a scumslip to me.
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Re: Mafia ?? : Silo Mafia - Signups Open - Setup Coming Soon
« Reply #1087 on: October 15, 2014, 05:09:39 pm »

Mechanics:
- All roles will be used according to mafiascum specification unless otherwise noted below.
- Daystart
- Mafia JOAT is an option of Strongman and Ninja (each can only be used once) and is not an assigned role, instead it is universal for the mafia team. But is instead a role that any alive mafia player can use it while performing the night kill.
- Mafia Investigation Immune is universal. It will return results of "Not Goon" to Goon Cops, "Not Killed" to Detectives, "Can't Kill" to Psychologists and "Didn't Target Anyone" to Watchers.
- Traitor does not know the identity of Mafia Partners unless it is added on as a bonus. Traitor will be informed at day start of the Mafia's identities in a PM if that add-on is selected.
- Mafia does not know the identity of the Traitor unless it is added on as a bonus. The Mafia will be informed at day start of the Mafia's identities in their quicktopic if that add-on is selected.
- Flavor will indicate if a player was killed by multiple factions, but will not indicate which alignment performed specific kills.
- When the Traitor dies, if at least one Mafia Goon is still alive one will be chosen at random to inherit the Roleblocking role. This Goon will be transformed from a Goon to a Mafia Roleblocker.
- If the Mafia target the Traitor with a NK, the Traitor will not die unless mafia is using a strongman kill. Otherwise, the Traitor will be recruited and become a Mafia Roleblocker and be given access to the quicktopic.
- The Traitor can Roleblock a Mafia NK.
- If the Traitor will inherit the NK and become a Mafia Roleblocker if is the only Mafia player alive.
- Goon Cop will return results of Goon or Not Goon.
- Detective will return results of having killed or not killed.
- Psychlogist will return results of being capable of killing or not capable. But if a kill has been performed previously, the result will be falsified. Traitors are not capable of killing until they have been converted into Mafia Roleblockers
- Roles cannot target themselves.
- Roles will not be indicative of alignment, except for one exception that will not be disclosed. All other roles will be rolled randomly.
- Mafia will have fakeclaims.

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Re: Mafia ?? : Silo Mafia - Signups Open - Setup Coming Soon
« Reply #1088 on: October 15, 2014, 05:10:17 pm »

- Mafia will have fakeclaims.

BUt I assumed that meant flavor claims.
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day 2 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #1089 on: October 15, 2014, 05:11:13 pm »

Huh, uh... why would you assume that?

I assumed it meant roles, because this looks like a setup where it's very hard for Mafia to fake claim a PR.
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day 2 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #1090 on: October 15, 2014, 05:12:05 pm »

Oh.  Thanks.

Do you think that means roles, though?  Or flavor?

Matrix setups are supposed to be semi-open, in that no one knows the exact setup right off the bat.  A fake roleclaim (like Psych, for example) only works if it is actually possible in the setup.  But if it is possible in the setup, then a townie has the role, so the fakeclaim gets counterclaimed.  If it isn't possible, no one has it, and when a few others flip, the fake claimer is caught.

So I don't see how mafia can have fake role claims.  I think that means flavor claims.
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day 2 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #1091 on: October 15, 2014, 05:12:59 pm »

Huh, uh... why would you assume that?

I assumed it meant roles, because this looks like a setup where it's very hard for Mafia to fake claim a PR.

I just answered this.

Mafia have a safe claim -- VT.  There's plenty of VTs in the setup.  If they want to claim a PR to survive, they claim one they know is NOT in the game based on whatever add-ons they got.
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day1 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #1092 on: October 15, 2014, 05:13:43 pm »

Jimmmmm (3): Hydrad, Ichimaru Gin, faust
Hydrad (3): Witherweaver, silverspawn, joth
Ichimaru Gin (2): Eevee, jimmmmm
ashersky (1): Jimmmmm
silverspawn (1): ashersky


This is the latest vote count.  Faust just left silver, and joth and others seem to be wary.  I think we could make that happen.
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day 2 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #1093 on: October 15, 2014, 05:15:05 pm »

Mafia does have fakeclaims (-> setup), so there is no reason why it could not be made up. But it's a pretty strong role, so I'd be okay with not lynching him today.

Me or Ichi? 

Okay, setup says scum get safe fake claims, so maybe.  But why wouldn't he use his fake claim Day 1?  Scum mentality would be to claim so that he wouldn't get lynched.. worry about arguing why he's still alive later.  I don't think he'd be so forward thinking to think "Well, if I really was an investigator, I wouldn't claim with no result because that doesn't help town.  I'd try to fight my lynch and claim with something useful later."  That's much more likely to come from town, and would only come from scum if they're thinking really big picture with all the contingencies.  Ichi has been scum, like, once?

Investigating Ash makes sense.. it's probably what I would do here, unless I had reason to do something different based on how Day 1 went.  Especially this game, Ash is showing nothing (to me) that looks like scum!Ash or town!Ash, so I'd definitely want to know. 

PPE: 2



These are the two posts that mention fakeclaims.  Either they are town slips, not realizing how a matrix setup is supposed to work, or scumslips because they actually know how the fake claims worked.
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day 2 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #1094 on: October 15, 2014, 05:17:17 pm »

Okay, I guess that makes sense. 

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To clarify here are the 8 options:

1. Detective, 1-shot Commuter, Goon Cop; 1-shot Investigation Immune + Serial Killer
2. Watcher, Jailkeeper, Psychologist; 2-shot JOAT
3. 1-shot BP Townie, Jailkeeper, Bodyguard; Traitor Knows Mafia
4. 1-shot BP Commuter, Psychologist, Detective; Mafia Knows Traitor
5. Watcher, 1-shot BP Townie, 1-shot BP Commuter; 2-shot JOAT
6. Detective, Jailkeeper, Psychologist; Mafia Knows Traitor + Serial Killer
7. 1-shot Commuter, Jailkeeper, Detective; Traitor Knows Mafia + Serial Killer
8. Goon Cop, Psychologist, Bodyguard; 1-shot Investigation Immune

So each Mafia setup has two possibilities.  They can't know which one they're in until something flips.
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day 2 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #1095 on: October 15, 2014, 05:18:13 pm »

Mafia does have fakeclaims (-> setup), so there is no reason why it could not be made up. But it's a pretty strong role, so I'd be okay with not lynching him today.

Me or Ichi? 

Okay, setup says scum get safe fake claims, so maybe.  But why wouldn't he use his fake claim Day 1?  Scum mentality would be to claim so that he wouldn't get lynched.. worry about arguing why he's still alive later.  I don't think he'd be so forward thinking to think "Well, if I really was an investigator, I wouldn't claim with no result because that doesn't help town.  I'd try to fight my lynch and claim with something useful later."  That's much more likely to come from town, and would only come from scum if they're thinking really big picture with all the contingencies.  Ichi has been scum, like, once?

Investigating Ash makes sense.. it's probably what I would do here, unless I had reason to do something different based on how Day 1 went.  Especially this game, Ash is showing nothing (to me) that looks like scum!Ash or town!Ash, so I'd definitely want to know. 

PPE: 2



These are the two posts that mention fakeclaims.  Either they are town slips, not realizing how a matrix setup is supposed to work, or scumslips because they actually know how the fake claims worked.

Mine was specifically founded upon the line "Mafia will have fakeclaims." line in the setup, which I took to mean roles.
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day 2 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #1096 on: October 15, 2014, 05:20:32 pm »

Mine was specifically founded upon the line "Mafia will have fakeclaims." line in the setup, which I took to mean roles.

Well, I mean, that's what you have to say, right?

Generally speaking, I think I believe you.  But you are scary, so it could be a planned townslip for sure.
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day 2 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #1097 on: October 15, 2014, 05:20:54 pm »

I prefer a silverspawn lynch at this point.
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day 2 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #1098 on: October 15, 2014, 05:27:55 pm »

Mine was specifically founded upon the line "Mafia will have fakeclaims." line in the setup, which I took to mean roles.

Well, I mean, that's what you have to say, right?

Generally speaking, I think I believe you.  But you are scary, so it could be a planned townslip for sure.

Well probably, yes, but it's true.  I was specifically thinking about how to consider claims this game, I think back during Day 1 when (I think) Ichi indicated he wouldn't claim (after the part where he thought he was lynched but was still the candidate).  I thought maybe scum wouldn't want to claim because they couldn't safely claim a PR because they couldn't know what setup they're in.  And even if they did know what setup they're in, and they claim something not in that setup, a town having a certain PR (or combination) could prove that fake claim impossible.  So it seemed very dangerous.  So I looked at the setup post and saw the line about fake safeclaims and thought they had safe role claims.

Of course I guess there never has been a game where scum gets PRs to fake claim. 

So now that I think about it, my whole line of thinking was pretty wrong.
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day 2 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #1099 on: October 15, 2014, 05:44:57 pm »

Well this is unfortunate. I don't really want to lynch any of the viable candidates now.

Probably still like IG best, of the realistic options.
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