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[faust]

Well I have posted my thoughts already. I think you're scum. In fact, I think it's over 50%. I also think Hydrad could very well be scum.

I don't know how to keep a game from stalling on my own. I don't have anything new to say.

Any town reads?

[faust]

I still think lynching WW is a good option here. I want to vote Jimmmmm for super lurking and not contributing, but sadly, that's not an alignment tell. joth could be scum, a little afraid of that - the stalling also supports his cause, because it means we will likely lynch Ichi. So yeah, I'd vote any of these I guess. I like WW best though.

[silverspawn]

town reads are you and eevee. mostly you.

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Vote Count 2.3

Witherweaver (1): faust
Jimmmmm (2): Hydrad, Ichimaru Gin
Hydrad (2): silverspawn, Witherweaver
Ichimaru Gin (1): jotheonah
ashersky (1): Jimmmmm

Not Voting (2): ashersky, Eevee

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. Day 2 ends on Wednesday, October 15, 7:30 PM FT.

[silverspawn]

vote: Ichimaru Gin

[silverspawn]

maybe that helps to get something going

[faust]

Yeah, let's start some wagons.

Vote: Jimmmmm

[silverspawn]

I think we can do better than a lurker lynch. I mean, I think lurkers shouldn't always get away with just doing nothing, but in this game, the Ichi case is too good to do it.

If Ichi flips town, we can do Jimmm tomorrow.

[Eevee]

Since there is no one on WW anymore, I'll vote: IG too.

[Witherweaver]

I think Hydrad is the right choice.

My name is Witherweaver and I endorse this message.

[faust]

I think we can do better than a lurker lynch. I mean, I think lurkers shouldn't always get away with just doing nothing, but in this game, the Ichi case is too good to do it.

If Ichi flips town, we can do Jimmm tomorrow.

I have no idea what's so good about the Ichi case. And, lining up mislynches? I might be warming up for a silver lynch...

[silverspawn]

I think I have explained enough why I like the ichi lynch. And really, all you need to do is read joth's case.

[Witherweaver]

I think we can do better than a lurker lynch. I mean, I think lurkers shouldn't always get away with just doing nothing, but in this game, the Ichi case is too good to do it.

If Ichi flips town, we can do Jimmm tomorrow.

I have no idea what's so good about the Ichi case. And, lining up mislynches? I might be warming up for a silver lynch...

Do scum really line up mislynches like this?  I feel like it's one of those things that is always pointed out as a scum tell, but scum never actually do.  Though, Silver is new enough that he may not be aware of how often it's jumped on.

[faust]

I think we can do better than a lurker lynch. I mean, I think lurkers shouldn't always get away with just doing nothing, but in this game, the Ichi case is too good to do it.

If Ichi flips town, we can do Jimmm tomorrow.

I have no idea what's so good about the Ichi case. And, lining up mislynches? I might be warming up for a silver lynch...

Do scum really line up mislynches like this?  I feel like it's one of those things that is always pointed out as a scum tell, but scum never actually do.  Though, Silver is new enough that he may not be aware of how often it's jumped on.

Well, from my experience, when I'm scum, I think a lot about who can potentially be mislynched on future days... and "lining up" mislynches for me basically is these thoughts diffusing into posts.

[Ichimaru Gin]

I think we can do better than a lurker lynch. I mean, I think lurkers shouldn't always get away with just doing nothing, but in this game, the Ichi case is too good to do it.

If Ichi flips town, we can do Jimmm tomorrow.

Man, what is the case on me really?
Me defending myself too much, again. We've only been in one game together before where I was town and got almost no heat. But I've defended myself similarly in nearly every other non-RMM setup. I know that there may be more to my case (I can't actually recall what it is--maybe my lack of a claim, but I can't believe that argument), but if people really want to look, they could go read some of D1 of dice mafia--and that should hopefully clear up my defensiveness.

Waiting until the very end of the deadline and then lynching is generally a bad idea. I understand if you guys want me as the "default" lynch of today, but I take the bolded line as you trying to convince yourself of how good my lynch is--when there's really not much substance behind the case on me. I agree that my flip should give a lot of information, so I can understand it from that point of view.

I also think the extreme lack of heat you've given so far hasn't neccessarily been healthy. I know that I distracted to a large degree from your early claim, but it still stands that you did it and got barely any heat for it.

PPE: 1

[Witherweaver]

I think we can do better than a lurker lynch. I mean, I think lurkers shouldn't always get away with just doing nothing, but in this game, the Ichi case is too good to do it.

If Ichi flips town, we can do Jimmm tomorrow.

I have no idea what's so good about the Ichi case. And, lining up mislynches? I might be warming up for a silver lynch...

Do scum really line up mislynches like this?  I feel like it's one of those things that is always pointed out as a scum tell, but scum never actually do.  Though, Silver is new enough that he may not be aware of how often it's jumped on.

Well, from my experience, when I'm scum, I think a lot about who can potentially be mislynched on future days... and "lining up" mislynches for me basically is these thoughts diffusing into posts.

But aren't you careful not to let it into your posts? 

[Witherweaver]

I'm losing my scum read on Ichi, and that makes me a sad panda.

[ashersky]

Yeah, let's start some wagons.

Vote: Jimmmmm

vote: jimmmmm.  This is L-1.  Maybe it spurs him into action?

[silverspawn]

Ichi, what makes your case so good is primarily how your wagon shifted to XP in day one, secondary how you reacted when you thought you were hammered, and maybe third how you are overdefensive. that's not the main point.

[faust]

But aren't you careful not to let it into your posts?

Well, that really depends... As scum, I usually try not to overthink what I'm doing, so that my behaviour looks more natural. I actually think I was called out in my first game as mafia (M31) for this exact thing - lining up mislynches. Since then I obviously got more experience and now I wouldn't do something like that as either alignment.

The thing about silverspawn is, in previous games he made it very clear that a major element of his play is to look townie. So I think if he knew this scum tell, he would have been careful not to let is in his post even if he's town. So we have to assume he didn't know about it. And in this case, I think it's a thought that scum is much more likely to have, because they know it's going to be a mislynch. As town, I want to lynch and see the flip and then do analysis from there and not just lynch the next player not regarding the new information I gained.

[silverspawn]

But aren't you careful not to let it into your posts?

Well, that really depends... As scum, I usually try not to overthink what I'm doing, so that my behaviour looks more natural. I actually think I was called out in my first game as mafia (M31) for this exact thing - lining up mislynches. Since then I obviously got more experience and now I wouldn't do something like that as either alignment.

The thing about silverspawn is, in previous games he made it very clear that a major element of his play is to look townie. So I think if he knew this scum tell, he would have been careful not to let is in his post even if he's town. So we have to assume he didn't know about it. And in this case, I think it's a thought that scum is much more likely to have, because they know it's going to be a mislynch. As town, I want to lynch and see the flip and then do analysis from there and not just lynch the next player not regarding the new information I gained.

this whole argument flies out the window if he turns out to be a good lynch though.

[silverspawn]

but yea, i didn't know about this scum tell. I assume what you are referring to is that I said "we can do Jimmm tomorrow if IG flips town", right?

[faust]

but yea, i didn't know about this scum tell. I assume what you are referring to is that I said "we can do Jimmm tomorrow if IG flips town", right?

Yes, that's what I'm referring to.

Oh, and: prod time!

Request prod on Hydrad
Request prod on jotheonah
Request prod on Jimmmmm

[silverspawn]

this whole argument flies out the window if he turns out to be a good lynch though.

you aren't responding to this. if we lynch jimmm today (which might happen, as it looks now) and he flips scum, you will drop the case, yes?

[faust]

this whole argument flies out the window if he turns out to be a good lynch though.

you aren't responding to this. if we lynch jimmm today (which might happen, as it looks now) and he flips scum, you will drop the case, yes?

Sure, if we manage to lynch scum today, then there are much stronger cases to be made than this.