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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day 2 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #900 on: October 09, 2014, 02:35:25 pm »

Quite null on Ash.  Slight, uh.. non-Ash feel from him. 
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day 2 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #901 on: October 09, 2014, 02:59:31 pm »

Hey! No stalling! I know you guys are on the forums...

What does everyone think about ashersky, now that he's posted a bit more?
Ash is difficult for me to read. He seems about normal here, although I don't like his comments on joth leading the day since I don't really trust him much at this point.

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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day 2 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #902 on: October 09, 2014, 03:01:07 pm »

Hey! No stalling! I know you guys are on the forums...

What does everyone think about ashersky, now that he's posted a bit more?
Ash is difficult for me to read. He seems about normal here, although I don't like his comments on joth leading the day since I don't really trust him much at this point.

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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day 2 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #903 on: October 09, 2014, 03:14:06 pm »

Hey! No stalling! I know you guys are on the forums...

What does everyone think about ashersky, now that he's posted a bit more?
Ash is difficult for me to read. He seems about normal here, although I don't like his comments on joth leading the day since I don't really trust him much at this point.

Ambiguous pronoun.
2nd him = I don't really trust joth much at this point.

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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day 2 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #904 on: October 09, 2014, 03:16:20 pm »

So you agreed with what Ash's comment said about Joth.. not that you didn't like the comment in a meta sense.
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day 2 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #905 on: October 09, 2014, 03:21:45 pm »

So you agreed with what Ash's comment said about Joth.. not that you didn't like the comment in a meta sense.
I don't think that joth has so far had a ton of success in swaying people, but he has been vocal and active and has some supporters.
So I'd somewhat agree with Ash's comment. Yeah, it's not that I didn't like the comment in a meta sense, I just don't like the idea of joth leading town at this point (because I feel he's pretty scummy).

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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day 2 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #906 on: October 09, 2014, 03:22:41 pm »

I don't see Joth as scummy in the slightest.  If he didn't want to lynch you, would he be scummy?
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day 2 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #907 on: October 09, 2014, 03:26:46 pm »

I don't see Joth as scummy in the slightest.  If he didn't want to lynch you, would he be scummy?
My read on him isn't OMGUS if that's what you mean.
I don't care for the attitude that he had D1 when he made some arguments about derphammering which I thought were kind of ludicrous. Trying to end any day super early is not good for town (barring PR results or something). So although his motivation to try and end things super quick may just be part of his meta, I see it as anti-town behavior.

He's not the scummiest, but I don't feel very confident that he's town either. I could easily see his behavior up until now as bold scum play.

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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day 2 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #908 on: October 09, 2014, 03:29:20 pm »

I don't see Joth as scummy in the slightest.  If he didn't want to lynch you, would he be scummy?
My read on him isn't OMGUS if that's what you mean.
I don't care for the attitude that he had D1 when he made some arguments about derphammering which I thought were kind of ludicrous. Trying to end any day super early is not good for town (barring PR results or something). So although his motivation to try and end things super quick may just be part of his meta, I see it as anti-town behavior.

He's not the scummiest, but I don't feel very confident that he's town either. I could easily see his behavior up until now as bold scum play.

How did you feel about Day 1 of Dice Mafia?
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day 2 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #909 on: October 09, 2014, 03:32:13 pm »

I don't see Joth as scummy in the slightest.  If he didn't want to lynch you, would he be scummy?
My read on him isn't OMGUS if that's what you mean.
I don't care for the attitude that he had D1 when he made some arguments about derphammering which I thought were kind of ludicrous. Trying to end any day super early is not good for town (barring PR results or something). So although his motivation to try and end things super quick may just be part of his meta, I see it as anti-town behavior.

He's not the scummiest, but I don't feel very confident that he's town either. I could easily see his behavior up until now as bold scum play.

How did you feel about Day 1 of Dice Mafia?
I got what I thought was a ton of unfair heat early there as well. I really disliked what I saw as faust using pure dice rolls as evidence to lynch people, so we argued a lot about that.

So, if this is related to wanting to end days early, I was mostly mad that game at what I saw as a bunch of unproductive theory discussion that distracted from actual reads.

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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day 2 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #910 on: October 09, 2014, 03:36:48 pm »

I more meant about the day ending prematurely. 
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day 2 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #911 on: October 09, 2014, 03:57:53 pm »

I more meant about the day ending prematurely.
Oh. I guess we did lynch scum!Voltaire pretty early in that game. And it looks like Ash quickhammered him that day.

Well, how long was our D1 in this game compared to this one? I think both were approximately 30 pages or so. Did you want my opinion on something more specific about it?

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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day 2 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #912 on: October 09, 2014, 04:05:47 pm »

Well, it serves as an example that a quick day is not always bad for town.  (Well, unless you think it was bad for town there.)
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day 2 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #913 on: October 09, 2014, 04:09:14 pm »

Well, it serves as an example that a quick day is not always bad for town.  (Well, unless you think it was bad for town there.)

I don't think Ichi is concerned with what's bad for town here.
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« Reply #914 on: October 09, 2014, 04:11:08 pm »

Well, it serves as an example that a quick day is not always bad for town.  (Well, unless you think it was bad for town there.)

I don't think Ichi is concerned with what's bad for town here.

Well clearly you think that, but that's the argument he's making:

I don't see Joth as scummy in the slightest.  If he didn't want to lynch you, would he be scummy?
My read on him isn't OMGUS if that's what you mean.
I don't care for the attitude that he had D1 when he made some arguments about derphammering which I thought were kind of ludicrous. Trying to end any day super early is not good for town (barring PR results or something). So although his motivation to try and end things super quick may just be part of his meta, I see it as anti-town behavior.

He's not the scummiest, but I don't feel very confident that he's town either. I could easily see his behavior up until now as bold scum play.
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« Reply #915 on: October 09, 2014, 04:15:35 pm »

Well, it serves as an example that a quick day is not always bad for town.  (Well, unless you think it was bad for town there.)

I don't think Ichi is concerned with what's bad for town here.
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Ash quickhammered Voltaire without even letting him claim and his instinct proved to be right that game. It could have just as easily been a mislynch or Volt could even have been a town PR. I am not saying that a quick day is bad in all circumstances. But when I see myself on the fast road to a mislynch and people proclaiming the numerous benefits of hammering people on accident and voting without giving any reasons, a quick day looks pretty bad to me.

There's a line between having too much discussion so scum can confuse people and gradually push the cases they want, and having too little so town has very little evidence from flips and not many people committed to wagons or had possible partner interactions. With all that went on D1, I think that having someone end the day at the point when joth was making all of these arguments would have been a very poor choice.

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« Reply #916 on: October 09, 2014, 04:31:39 pm »

Well, it serves as an example that a quick day is not always bad for town.  (Well, unless you think it was bad for town there.)

I don't think Ichi is concerned with what's bad for town here.
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Ash quickhammered Voltaire without even letting him claim and his instinct proved to be right that game. It could have just as easily been a mislynch or Volt could even have been a town PR. I am not saying that a quick day is bad in all circumstances. But when I see myself on the fast road to a mislynch and people proclaiming the numerous benefits of hammering people on accident and voting without giving any reasons, a quick day looks pretty bad to me.

There's a line between having too much discussion so scum can confuse people and gradually push the cases they want, and having too little so town has very little evidence from flips and not many people committed to wagons or had possible partner interactions. With all that went on D1, I think that having someone end the day at the point when joth was making all of these arguments would have been a very poor choice.

I don't think we can have this discussion productively without knowing your alignment. I think if we'd ended the day then we would have lynched you and not XP, and I think we would have lynched scum. So I hope history will ultimately vindicate me.
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day 2 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #917 on: October 09, 2014, 04:41:10 pm »

Clearly what everyone is saying is that as long as I'm the one to end the day early, we're all good.
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day 2 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #918 on: October 09, 2014, 05:26:15 pm »

Clearly what everyone is saying is that as long as I'm the one to end the day early, we're all good.

Why didn't you hammer Ichi yesterday? :(
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day 2 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #919 on: October 09, 2014, 05:26:29 pm »

WAIT I KNOW!  ASH IS SCUM!  TOWN ASH WOULD HAVE HAMMERED
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day 2 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #920 on: October 09, 2014, 05:33:55 pm »

WAIT I KNOW!  ASH IS SCUM!  TOWN ASH WOULD HAVE HAMMERED

Vote: ash

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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day 2 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #921 on: October 10, 2014, 08:36:30 pm »

Now what?

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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day 2 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #922 on: October 11, 2014, 03:07:54 am »

now we let this game stall until shortly before the deadline, when we will, due to lack of time, lynch you.

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« Reply #923 on: October 11, 2014, 03:22:57 am »

now we let this game stall until shortly before the deadline, when we will, due to lack of time, lynch you.
Sounds like you've given this a lot of thought. . .

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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day 2 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #924 on: October 11, 2014, 03:24:55 am »

Well I have posted my thoughts already. I think you're scum. In fact, I think it's over 50%. I also think Hydrad could very well be scum.

I don't know how to keep a game from stalling on my own. I don't have anything new to say.
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