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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day 2 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #750 on: October 07, 2014, 08:28:21 am »

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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day 2 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #751 on: October 07, 2014, 08:42:39 am »

okay.

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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day 2 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #752 on: October 07, 2014, 09:04:43 am »

I would like to hear people who aren't Ichi, Eevee, and Witherweaver weigh in on my big case. I regret bringing up the setup thing a little because it's become a distraction from what I believe to be a really strong case.
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day 2 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #753 on: October 07, 2014, 11:51:18 am »

Catching up, this is the first thing I noted:

Scum has to be somewhere.  Lack of evidence for other players being scum counts as evidence for a given player being scum.  There are some actions to indicate that, e.g., you may be Town, but not really from him.

Vote: Faust

You've been fairly critical of everyone else's statements and votes, but have barely provided much yourself outside of a pretty trumped up argument against me.

How does this fit together? And I to say I have not provided much is rude and inaccurate. Above that, what's wrong about being critical?
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day 2 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #754 on: October 07, 2014, 11:51:55 am »

Vote: faust

I really don't know where most of your reads are. I know you think WW is scummy but where do you stand on others?

And what is the reason for this vote?
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day 2 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #755 on: October 07, 2014, 11:54:24 am »

ADK emerges as an extremely weird kill choice here as his hammer of XP was SO SCUMMY he would have been a very easy mislynch candidate.

Well, scum hunting for other scum is always a possibility.
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day 2 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #756 on: October 07, 2014, 11:55:08 am »

Catching up, this is the first thing I noted:

Scum has to be somewhere.  Lack of evidence for other players being scum counts as evidence for a given player being scum.  There are some actions to indicate that, e.g., you may be Town, but not really from him.

Vote: Faust

You've been fairly critical of everyone else's statements and votes, but have barely provided much yourself outside of a pretty trumped up argument against me.

How does this fit together? And I to say I have not provided much is rude and inaccurate. Above that, what's wrong about being critical?

I changed my mind. 
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day 2 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #757 on: October 07, 2014, 11:56:12 am »

The Jimmmmm votes aren't helping much. This might be the last day we have before MyLo. People should come up with better arguments than LAL.

That said, it would be nice to hear a bit more from Jimmmmmm.
Surely the Jimmm votes are better than your novote.

I'm voting for WW.
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day 2 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #758 on: October 07, 2014, 11:58:03 am »

The Jimmmmm votes aren't helping much. This might be the last day we have before MyLo. People should come up with better arguments than LAL.

That said, it would be nice to hear a bit more from Jimmmmmm.
Surely the Jimmm votes are better than your novote.

I'm voting for WW.

Pretty sure a no vote would be better!
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day 2 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #759 on: October 07, 2014, 11:58:39 am »

I just had a thought! What if Ichi's the traitor? Eevee was defending him and he didn't even know it! And the SK killed ADK -- mafia recruited Ichi!

Occam's razor, man. This theory is no good.
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day 2 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #760 on: October 07, 2014, 12:00:55 pm »

wait, I don't get the SK. He can only use PR's when he doesn't try to kill? but, one of his PR is strongman. how is that useful if he doesn't try to kill anyone? How does the passive work? is he only bulletproof if he doesn't try to kill?

Vote: Silverspawn

But in case it wasn't disingenuous, it's the possible Town PRs he can use.

Are you implying that silver is the SK here?
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« Reply #761 on: October 07, 2014, 12:02:01 pm »

wait, I don't get the SK. He can only use PR's when he doesn't try to kill? but, one of his PR is strongman. how is that useful if he doesn't try to kill anyone? How does the passive work? is he only bulletproof if he doesn't try to kill?

Vote: Silverspawn

But in case it wasn't disingenuous, it's the possible Town PRs he can use.

Are you implying that silver is the SK here?

Verily.
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day 2 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #762 on: October 07, 2014, 12:02:22 pm »

Catching up, this is the first thing I noted:

Scum has to be somewhere.  Lack of evidence for other players being scum counts as evidence for a given player being scum.  There are some actions to indicate that, e.g., you may be Town, but not really from him.

Vote: Faust

You've been fairly critical of everyone else's statements and votes, but have barely provided much yourself outside of a pretty trumped up argument against me.

How does this fit together? And I to say I have not provided much is rude and inaccurate. Above that, what's wrong about being critical?

I changed my mind.

What were the points that indicated to you that I might be town, then, and why did you change your mind?
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day 2 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #763 on: October 07, 2014, 12:02:30 pm »

Not that I really want to lynch SK today, I just wanted to point it out here so I don't forget it later.
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day 2 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #764 on: October 07, 2014, 12:03:00 pm »

Where's ashersky when you need him?
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day 2 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #765 on: October 07, 2014, 12:04:20 pm »

WW hunting a SK that (quite likely) might not even be in this game is super scummy. Or maybe he knows that there's a SK?
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« Reply #766 on: October 07, 2014, 12:06:13 pm »

Catching up, this is the first thing I noted:

Scum has to be somewhere.  Lack of evidence for other players being scum counts as evidence for a given player being scum.  There are some actions to indicate that, e.g., you may be Town, but not really from him.

Vote: Faust

You've been fairly critical of everyone else's statements and votes, but have barely provided much yourself outside of a pretty trumped up argument against me.

How does this fit together? And I to say I have not provided much is rude and inaccurate. Above that, what's wrong about being critical?

I changed my mind.

What were the points that indicated to you that I might be town, then, and why did you change your mind?

I was thinking that you were fairly active trying to figure things out.. your looking into me didn't feel too constructed.  When I thought about it more, "figuring things out" began to look like being critical or asking questions of little pieces of everyone's  post.  That is somewhat your style, I think, but it's fairly easy to do because all you have to do is be reactive.  You can just read something and ask the first question that pops into your head.  So I guess.. more reactive than active.

I should say that these analyses were done within my own memory and not through a reread, so there's some degree of possible error there.
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« Reply #767 on: October 07, 2014, 12:07:33 pm »

WW hunting a SK that (quite likely) might not even be in this game is super scummy. Or maybe he knows that there's a SK?

Yeah, it would obviously never occur to me that someone would think that, because it's not like everyone points it out every single game of Mafia that's ever been in existence and always tries to paint someone as scummy as doing this or anything.

Silver's post read like obvious SK trying to look like he doesn't know how the SK works.  It's worth pointing out.
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day 2 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #768 on: October 07, 2014, 12:10:26 pm »

WW hunting a SK that (quite likely) might not even be in this game is super scummy. Or maybe he knows that there's a SK?

Yeah, it would obviously never occur to me that someone would think that, because it's not like everyone points it out every single game of Mafia that's ever been in existence and always tries to paint someone as scummy as doing this or anything.

Silver's post read like obvious SK trying to look like he doesn't know how the SK works.  It's worth pointing out.

Yeah, it would obviously never occur to him that someone would think that, because it's not like everyone points it out every single game of Mafia that's ever been in existence and always tries to paint someone as scummy as doing this or anything.
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« Reply #769 on: October 07, 2014, 12:11:42 pm »

WW hunting a SK that (quite likely) might not even be in this game is super scummy. Or maybe he knows that there's a SK?

Yeah, it would obviously never occur to me that someone would think that, because it's not like everyone points it out every single game of Mafia that's ever been in existence and always tries to paint someone as scummy as doing this or anything.

Silver's post read like obvious SK trying to look like he doesn't know how the SK works.  It's worth pointing out.

Yeah, it would obviously never occur to him that someone would think that, because it's not like everyone points it out every single game of Mafia that's ever been in existence and always tries to paint someone as scummy as doing this or anything.

You're right.  No one has ever tried to produce a townslip before.  My bad.
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« Reply #770 on: October 07, 2014, 12:11:54 pm »

I just had a thought! What if Ichi's the traitor? Eevee was defending him and he didn't even know it! And the SK killed ADK -- mafia recruited Ichi!

Occam's razor, man. This theory is no good.
I honestly thought he was kidding.

And I didn't realize you were voting for WW, apologies. Can you list your reasons again? I might join.
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« Reply #771 on: October 07, 2014, 12:12:49 pm »

wait, I don't get the SK. He can only use PR's when he doesn't try to kill? but, one of his PR is strongman. how is that useful if he doesn't try to kill anyone? How does the passive work? is he only bulletproof if he doesn't try to kill?

I mean, four questions to ask a question.. it just screams as "trying to look ignorant".
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day 2 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #772 on: October 07, 2014, 12:19:37 pm »

I just had a thought! What if Ichi's the traitor? Eevee was defending him and he didn't even know it! And the SK killed ADK -- mafia recruited Ichi!

Occam's razor, man. This theory is no good.
I honestly thought he was kidding.

And I didn't realize you were voting for WW, apologies. Can you list your reasons again? I might join.

Yeah, maybe it was kidding... I'm not sure.

Anyway, Witherweaver: I found his whole interaction with Ichi on Day 1 very scummy (well, I happen to think that Ichi is town also). First hedgy, then trying to make him reveal his PR. Also multiple instances of SK hunting (there was something on D1 already). Now WW likes to say that scum would do this because they know it's seen as scummy... but it is scummy because town has no reason to do it! Town should approach this day with a mindset of "there is probably no SK, so let's hunt mafia". Not doing that is anti-town and scummy. And while other players were suspected for the exact same things WW is doing, he never got much suspicion. Plus, my gut says WW's posts are disingenuous, but it's hard to put that in a proper argument.
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« Reply #773 on: October 07, 2014, 12:20:07 pm »

WW hunting a SK that (quite likely) might not even be in this game is super scummy. Or maybe he knows that there's a SK?

Yeah, it would obviously never occur to me that someone would think that, because it's not like everyone points it out every single game of Mafia that's ever been in existence and always tries to paint someone as scummy as doing this or anything.

Silver's post read like obvious SK trying to look like he doesn't know how the SK works.  It's worth pointing out.

Yeah, it would obviously never occur to him that someone would think that, because it's not like everyone points it out every single game of Mafia that's ever been in existence and always tries to paint someone as scummy as doing this or anything.

You're right.  No one has ever tried to produce a townslip before.  My bad.

It's also only his third (?) game.
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« Reply #774 on: October 07, 2014, 12:21:36 pm »

It's also only his third (?) game.

I would love to respond to this, but you know, ongoing game stuff.
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