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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day 2 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #725 on: October 06, 2014, 05:32:08 pm »

And so if the implication is Eevee scum => Ichi scum, why not vote for Eevee instead of Ichi?

I don't follow you. But my narrative works with Ichi + someone else as the scum team. It falls apart if Ichi is town. So Ichi is the more solid vote. Plus his flip is extremely informational, given his 2 L1 wagons yesterday.

Joth, why are you dismissing me being town who liked lynching XP better than lynching IG?

Because you pushed the lynch. Not very hard, but harder than anyone else. Also, why do you think IG is town?

Okay, I was just unclear with what you were deducing from what. 
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day 2 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #726 on: October 06, 2014, 05:38:10 pm »

I just had a thought! What if Ichi's the traitor? Eevee was defending him and he didn't even know it! And the SK killed ADK -- mafia recruited Ichi!
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day 2 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #727 on: October 06, 2014, 05:38:32 pm »

And so if the implication is Eevee scum => Ichi scum, why not vote for Eevee instead of Ichi?

I don't follow you. But my narrative works with Ichi + someone else as the scum team. It falls apart if Ichi is town. So Ichi is the more solid vote. Plus his flip is extremely informational, given his 2 L1 wagons yesterday.

Joth, why are you dismissing me being town who liked lynching XP better than lynching IG?

Because you pushed the lynch. Not very hard, but harder than anyone else. Also, why do you think IG is town?
So town shouldn't push lynches? Huh?

I don't necessarily think IG is town. I thought XP had a better chance of flipping scum.
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day 2 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #728 on: October 06, 2014, 05:38:53 pm »

I just had a thought! What if Ichi's the traitor? Eevee was defending him and he didn't even know it! And the SK killed ADK -- mafia recruited Ichi!
What?
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day 2 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #729 on: October 06, 2014, 05:44:03 pm »

I just had a thought! What if Ichi's the traitor? Eevee was defending him and he didn't even know it! And the SK killed ADK -- mafia recruited Ichi!

Huh?  Recruiting can only be done randomly in the setup, or when all other Mafia die Traitor inherits the night kill.

At least that's how I understand it.
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day 2 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #730 on: October 06, 2014, 05:45:02 pm »

Well actually it says that the Traitor and Mafia know who they are.. I don't know if Traitor actually gets to join the QT or not.
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day 2 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #731 on: October 06, 2014, 05:45:51 pm »

I just had a thought! What if Ichi's the traitor? Eevee was defending him and he didn't even know it! And the SK killed ADK -- mafia recruited Ichi!

Huh?  Recruiting can only be done randomly in the setup, or when all other Mafia die Traitor inherits the night kill.

At least that's how I understand it.
No. The setup does say that if the Mafia NK the Traitor, they will be recruited instead of dying. So I think that's what joth's referring to.

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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day 2 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #732 on: October 06, 2014, 05:46:37 pm »

Oh hey reading setups is cool:


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Serial Killer: (if applicable, present 3/8 of the time)
- 2-shot JOAT, which includes a passive 1-shot Bulletproof, 1-shot Strongman, 1-shot Investigation Immune. If the Bulletproof is used up one JOAT attributes will be lost. If both the Strongman or Investigation Immune is used at night the Bulletproof will be lost as well.
- The SK may choose to give up NK and instead perform any one of the 8 town roles listed above during the night. Each role may only be used once by the Sk during the game.

In regards to the discussion before about a single kill implying no SK... SK has possible motivation to not shoot here.
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day 2 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #733 on: October 06, 2014, 05:47:34 pm »

I just had a thought! What if Ichi's the traitor? Eevee was defending him and he didn't even know it! And the SK killed ADK -- mafia recruited Ichi!

Huh?  Recruiting can only be done randomly in the setup, or when all other Mafia die Traitor inherits the night kill.

At least that's how I understand it.
No. The setup does say that if the Mafia NK the Traitor, they will be recruited instead of dying. So I think that's what joth's referring to.

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Ohhhhh... But why would Mafia shoot Ichi?  If they think he's town, leave him around to mislynch.. if they think he's the Traitor, then what's the benefit of the recruit?
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day 2 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #734 on: October 06, 2014, 05:48:53 pm »

Oh hey, more reading setup.

Mafia knows Traitor and Traitor knows Mafia are separate entries, and they can't both happen.
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day 2 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #735 on: October 06, 2014, 05:49:48 pm »

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Serial Killer: (if applicable, present 3/8 of the time)
- The SK may choose to give up NK and instead perform any one of the 8 town roles listed above during the night. Each role may only be
I missed that part. What does it even mean?

PPE: Exactly. I'm pretty sure Ash spoke to this early on saying it would be a poor decision for Mafia to try and recruit that way.

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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day 2 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #736 on: October 06, 2014, 05:51:40 pm »

They can choose to use PRs instead of kill.
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day 2 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #737 on: October 06, 2014, 05:59:26 pm »

They can choose to use PRs instead of kill.
So the SK could use the power of any of the possible town PR's in this setup for one night?
That strikes me as very interesting.

Anyway, still finishing my light reread. I should be done soon--joth's posts were really helpful, and I appreciate him doing that. Of course, I come to completely different conclusions especially given I know that I'm not scum, so theories that include that as a component are obviously nonsensical to me. Still, they give us some good info. I'm seeing joth as less scummy and moreso that we just have very different reads this game.

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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day 2 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #738 on: October 06, 2014, 06:11:46 pm »

If scum recruits the traitor they gain a roleblocker. Very worth it for them.
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day 2 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #739 on: October 06, 2014, 06:15:09 pm »

If scum recruits the traitor they gain a roleblocker. Very worth it for them.

But isn't he a role blocker anyways? So all they would gain is the ability to discuss who to roleblock?
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« Reply #740 on: October 06, 2014, 06:38:09 pm »

Mafia:
2 Mafia + 1 Roleblocking Traitor
Yeah. I'm pretty sure this means the Traitor is a roleblocker regardless of whether they're recruited or not.

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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day 2 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #741 on: October 06, 2014, 06:53:41 pm »

So your theory was that Ichi was so obvscum that Mafia decided to shoot him for the RB power?
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day 2 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #742 on: October 06, 2014, 06:54:54 pm »

Traitor is Role blocker, but if he doesn't know Mafia he may block his buddies.
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day 2 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #743 on: October 06, 2014, 07:00:35 pm »

Traitor is Role blocker, but if he doesn't know Mafia he may block his buddies.

and roleblock will stop the night kill? That would be interesting.
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day1 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #744 on: October 06, 2014, 07:40:27 pm »

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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day 2 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #745 on: October 06, 2014, 09:01:02 pm »

So your theory was that Ichi was so obvscum that Mafia decided to shoot him for the RB power?

Nope, I think we're in the setup where the mafia know the traitor.
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day 2 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #746 on: October 07, 2014, 02:33:18 am »

wait, I don't get the SK. He can only use PR's when he doesn't try to kill? but, one of his PR is strongman. how is that useful if he doesn't try to kill anyone? How does the passive work? is he only bulletproof if he doesn't try to kill?

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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day 2 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #747 on: October 07, 2014, 08:18:03 am »

wait, I don't get the SK. He can only use PR's when he doesn't try to kill? but, one of his PR is strongman. how is that useful if he doesn't try to kill anyone? How does the passive work? is he only bulletproof if he doesn't try to kill?

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But in case it wasn't disingenuous, it's the possible Town PRs he can use.
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day 2 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #748 on: October 07, 2014, 08:25:14 am »

But in case it wasn't disingenuous, it's the possible Town PRs he can use.
I get that, but if he can only use them when he doesn't NK, how is strongman useful. just being unblockable without doing anything that can be blocked is like building a fortress in the desert.

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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day 2 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #749 on: October 07, 2014, 08:26:56 am »

Strongman is part of his JOAT.  He can use it as a kill modifier if he kills.
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